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From: Djalal Harouni <tixxdz@opendz.org>
To: Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>
Cc: "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>,
	Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>,
	Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>,
	"Serge E. Hallyn" <serge.hallyn@ubuntu.com>,
	Cyrill Gorcunov <gorcunov@openvz.org>,
	David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linux FS Devel <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"kernel-hardening@lists.openwall.com" 
	<kernel-hardening@lists.openwall.com>,
	Djalal Harouni <tixxdz@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 2/9] procfs: add proc_allow_access() to check if file's opener may access task
Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2013 20:11:13 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20131004191113.GA3916@dztty> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CALCETrVs2Nd82dpURQxAVetK814bAm8TvnSyA4e=YeTWxTFsmA@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Oct 04, 2013 at 07:34:08PM +0100, Andy Lutomirski wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 4, 2013 at 7:23 PM, Djalal Harouni <tixxdz@opendz.org> wrote:
> > On Fri, Oct 04, 2013 at 04:40:01PM +0100, Andy Lutomirski wrote:
> >> On Fri, Oct 4, 2013 at 9:59 AM, Djalal Harouni <tixxdz@opendz.org> wrote:
> >> > On Thu, Oct 03, 2013 at 02:09:55PM -0700, Andy Lutomirski wrote:
[...] 
> Sorry, I described the obviously broken scenario incorrectly.  Your
> patch breaks (in the absence of things like selinux) if a exec
> something setuid root.
> 
> [...]
> 
> >
> > I did the check in the proc_same_open_cred() function:
> >  return (uid_eq(fcred->uid, cred->uid) &&
> >          gid_eq(fcred->gid, cred->gid) &&
> >          cap_issubset(cred->cap_permitted, fcred->cap_permitted));
> 
> Which has nothing to do with anything.  If that check fails, you're
> just going on to a different, WRONG check/.
> 
> >
> > Check if this is the same uid/gid and the capabilities superset!
> >
> > But in the proc_allow_access() the capabilities superset is missing.
> >
> >
> > So to fix it:
> > 1) if proc_same_open_cred() detects that cred have changed between
> > ->open() and ->read() then abort, return zero, the ->read(),write()...
> 
> IMO yuck.
> 
> >
> >
> > 2) Improve the proc_allow_access() check by:
> >    if this is the same user namespace then check uid/gid of f_cred on
> >    target cred task, and the capabilities superset:
> >    cap_issubset(tcred->cap_permitted, fcred->cap_permitted));
> >
> >    If it fails let security_capable() or file_ns_capable() do its magic.
> >
> 
> NAK.  You need to actually call the LSM.  What if the reason to fail
> the request isn't that the writer gained capabilities -- what if the
> writer's selinux label changed?
Sorry I can't follow you here! Can you be more explicit please?

For me we are already doing this during ptrace_may_access() on each
syscall, which will call LSM to inspect the privileges on each ->open(),
->write()... So LSM hooks are already called. If you want to have more
LSM hooks, then perhaps that's another problem?

-- 
Djalal Harouni
http://opendz.org

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From: Djalal Harouni <tixxdz@opendz.org>
To: Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>
Cc: "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>,
	Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>,
	Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>,
	"Serge E. Hallyn" <serge.hallyn@ubuntu.com>,
	Cyrill Gorcunov <gorcunov@openvz.org>,
	David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linux FS Devel <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"kernel-hardening@lists.openwall.com"
	<kernel-hardening@lists.openwall.com>,
	Djalal Harouni <tixxdz@gmail.com>
Subject: [kernel-hardening] Re: [PATCH v2 2/9] procfs: add proc_allow_access() to check if file's opener may access task
Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2013 20:11:13 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20131004191113.GA3916@dztty> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CALCETrVs2Nd82dpURQxAVetK814bAm8TvnSyA4e=YeTWxTFsmA@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Oct 04, 2013 at 07:34:08PM +0100, Andy Lutomirski wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 4, 2013 at 7:23 PM, Djalal Harouni <tixxdz@opendz.org> wrote:
> > On Fri, Oct 04, 2013 at 04:40:01PM +0100, Andy Lutomirski wrote:
> >> On Fri, Oct 4, 2013 at 9:59 AM, Djalal Harouni <tixxdz@opendz.org> wrote:
> >> > On Thu, Oct 03, 2013 at 02:09:55PM -0700, Andy Lutomirski wrote:
[...] 
> Sorry, I described the obviously broken scenario incorrectly.  Your
> patch breaks (in the absence of things like selinux) if a exec
> something setuid root.
> 
> [...]
> 
> >
> > I did the check in the proc_same_open_cred() function:
> >  return (uid_eq(fcred->uid, cred->uid) &&
> >          gid_eq(fcred->gid, cred->gid) &&
> >          cap_issubset(cred->cap_permitted, fcred->cap_permitted));
> 
> Which has nothing to do with anything.  If that check fails, you're
> just going on to a different, WRONG check/.
> 
> >
> > Check if this is the same uid/gid and the capabilities superset!
> >
> > But in the proc_allow_access() the capabilities superset is missing.
> >
> >
> > So to fix it:
> > 1) if proc_same_open_cred() detects that cred have changed between
> > ->open() and ->read() then abort, return zero, the ->read(),write()...
> 
> IMO yuck.
> 
> >
> >
> > 2) Improve the proc_allow_access() check by:
> >    if this is the same user namespace then check uid/gid of f_cred on
> >    target cred task, and the capabilities superset:
> >    cap_issubset(tcred->cap_permitted, fcred->cap_permitted));
> >
> >    If it fails let security_capable() or file_ns_capable() do its magic.
> >
> 
> NAK.  You need to actually call the LSM.  What if the reason to fail
> the request isn't that the writer gained capabilities -- what if the
> writer's selinux label changed?
Sorry I can't follow you here! Can you be more explicit please?

For me we are already doing this during ptrace_may_access() on each
syscall, which will call LSM to inspect the privileges on each ->open(),
->write()... So LSM hooks are already called. If you want to have more
LSM hooks, then perhaps that's another problem?

-- 
Djalal Harouni
http://opendz.org

  reply	other threads:[~2013-10-04 19:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 179+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-10-01 20:26 [PATCH v2 0/9] procfs: protect /proc/<pid>/* files with file->f_cred Djalal Harouni
2013-10-01 20:26 ` [kernel-hardening] " Djalal Harouni
2013-10-01 20:26 ` [PATCH v2 1/9] procfs: add proc_same_open_cred() to check if the cred have changed Djalal Harouni
2013-10-01 20:26   ` [kernel-hardening] " Djalal Harouni
2013-10-01 20:26 ` [PATCH v2 2/9] procfs: add proc_allow_access() to check if file's opener may access task Djalal Harouni
2013-10-01 20:26   ` [kernel-hardening] " Djalal Harouni
2013-10-02  1:36   ` Andy Lutomirski
2013-10-02  1:36     ` [kernel-hardening] " Andy Lutomirski
2013-10-02 14:55     ` Djalal Harouni
2013-10-02 14:55       ` [kernel-hardening] " Djalal Harouni
2013-10-02 16:44       ` Andy Lutomirski
2013-10-02 16:44         ` [kernel-hardening] " Andy Lutomirski
2013-10-03 14:36         ` Djalal Harouni
2013-10-03 14:36           ` [kernel-hardening] " Djalal Harouni
2013-10-03 15:12           ` Andy Lutomirski
2013-10-03 15:12             ` [kernel-hardening] " Andy Lutomirski
2013-10-03 15:12             ` Andy Lutomirski
2013-10-03 19:29             ` Djalal Harouni
2013-10-03 19:29               ` [kernel-hardening] " Djalal Harouni
2013-10-03 19:29               ` Djalal Harouni
2013-10-03 19:37               ` Andy Lutomirski
2013-10-03 19:37                 ` [kernel-hardening] " Andy Lutomirski
2013-10-03 19:37                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2013-10-03 20:13                 ` Djalal Harouni
2013-10-03 20:13                   ` [kernel-hardening] " Djalal Harouni
2013-10-03 20:13                   ` Djalal Harouni
2013-10-03 21:09                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2013-10-03 21:09                     ` [kernel-hardening] " Andy Lutomirski
2013-10-03 21:09                     ` Andy Lutomirski
2013-10-04  8:59                     ` Djalal Harouni
2013-10-04  8:59                       ` [kernel-hardening] " Djalal Harouni
2013-10-04  8:59                       ` Djalal Harouni
2013-10-04 15:40                       ` Andy Lutomirski
2013-10-04 15:40                         ` [kernel-hardening] " Andy Lutomirski
2013-10-04 15:40                         ` Andy Lutomirski
2013-10-04 18:23                         ` Djalal Harouni
2013-10-04 18:23                           ` [kernel-hardening] " Djalal Harouni
2013-10-04 18:23                           ` Djalal Harouni
2013-10-04 18:34                           ` Andy Lutomirski
2013-10-04 18:34                             ` [kernel-hardening] " Andy Lutomirski
2013-10-04 18:34                             ` Andy Lutomirski
2013-10-04 19:11                             ` Djalal Harouni [this message]
2013-10-04 19:11                               ` [kernel-hardening] " Djalal Harouni
2013-10-04 19:11                               ` Djalal Harouni
2013-10-04 19:16                               ` Andy Lutomirski
2013-10-04 19:16                                 ` [kernel-hardening] " Andy Lutomirski
2013-10-04 19:16                                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2013-10-04 19:27                                 ` Djalal Harouni
2013-10-04 19:27                                   ` [kernel-hardening] " Djalal Harouni
2013-10-04 19:27                                   ` Djalal Harouni
2013-10-04 19:32                                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2013-10-04 19:32                                     ` [kernel-hardening] " Andy Lutomirski
2013-10-04 19:32                                     ` Andy Lutomirski
2013-10-04 19:41                                     ` Djalal Harouni
2013-10-04 19:41                                       ` [kernel-hardening] " Djalal Harouni
2013-10-04 19:41                                       ` Djalal Harouni
2013-10-04 22:17                                       ` Andy Lutomirski
2013-10-04 22:17                                         ` [kernel-hardening] " Andy Lutomirski
2013-10-04 22:17                                         ` Andy Lutomirski
2013-10-04 22:55                                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2013-10-04 22:55                                           ` [kernel-hardening] " Eric W. Biederman
2013-10-04 22:55                                           ` Eric W. Biederman
2013-10-04 22:59                                           ` Andy Lutomirski
2013-10-04 22:59                                             ` [kernel-hardening] " Andy Lutomirski
2013-10-04 22:59                                             ` Andy Lutomirski
2013-10-04 23:08                                             ` Andy Lutomirski
2013-10-04 23:08                                               ` [kernel-hardening] " Andy Lutomirski
2013-10-04 23:08                                               ` Andy Lutomirski
2013-10-05  0:35                                             ` Eric W. Biederman
2013-10-05  0:35                                               ` [kernel-hardening] " Eric W. Biederman
2013-10-05  0:35                                               ` Eric W. Biederman
2013-10-09 10:35                                               ` Djalal Harouni
2013-10-09 10:35                                                 ` [kernel-hardening] " Djalal Harouni
2013-10-09 10:35                                                 ` Djalal Harouni
2013-10-05 13:23                                         ` Djalal Harouni
2013-10-05 13:23                                           ` [kernel-hardening] " Djalal Harouni
2013-10-05 13:23                                           ` Djalal Harouni
2013-10-07 21:41                                           ` Andy Lutomirski
2013-10-07 21:41                                             ` [kernel-hardening] " Andy Lutomirski
2013-10-07 21:41                                             ` Andy Lutomirski
2013-10-09 10:54                                             ` Djalal Harouni
2013-10-09 10:54                                               ` [kernel-hardening] " Djalal Harouni
2013-10-09 10:54                                               ` Djalal Harouni
2013-10-09 11:15                                               ` Djalal Harouni
2013-10-09 11:15                                                 ` [kernel-hardening] " Djalal Harouni
2013-10-09 11:15                                                 ` Djalal Harouni
2013-10-09 17:27                                               ` Andy Lutomirski
2013-10-09 17:27                                                 ` [kernel-hardening] " Andy Lutomirski
2013-10-09 17:27                                                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2013-10-13 10:18                                                 ` Djalal Harouni
2013-10-13 10:18                                                   ` [kernel-hardening] " Djalal Harouni
2013-10-13 10:18                                                   ` Djalal Harouni
2013-10-01 20:26 ` [PATCH v2 3/9] procfs: Document the proposed solution to protect procfs entries Djalal Harouni
2013-10-01 20:26   ` [kernel-hardening] " Djalal Harouni
2013-10-01 20:26 ` [PATCH v2 4/9] procfs: make /proc/*/{stack,syscall} 0400 Djalal Harouni
2013-10-01 20:26   ` [kernel-hardening] " Djalal Harouni
2013-10-01 20:26 ` [PATCH v2 5/9] procfs: make /proc entries that use seq files able to access file->f_cred Djalal Harouni
2013-10-01 20:26   ` [kernel-hardening] " Djalal Harouni
2013-10-01 20:26 ` [PATCH v2 6/9] procfs: add permission checks on the file's opener of /proc/*/stat Djalal Harouni
2013-10-01 20:26   ` [kernel-hardening] " Djalal Harouni
2013-10-02  1:39   ` Andy Lutomirski
2013-10-02  1:39     ` [kernel-hardening] " Andy Lutomirski
2013-10-02 15:14     ` Djalal Harouni
2013-10-02 15:14       ` [kernel-hardening] " Djalal Harouni
2013-10-02 16:46       ` Andy Lutomirski
2013-10-02 16:46         ` [kernel-hardening] " Andy Lutomirski
2013-10-02 19:00         ` Djalal Harouni
2013-10-02 19:00           ` [kernel-hardening] " Djalal Harouni
2013-10-01 20:26 ` [PATCH v2 7/9] procfs: add permission checks on the file's opener of /proc/*/personality Djalal Harouni
2013-10-01 20:26   ` [kernel-hardening] " Djalal Harouni
2013-10-01 20:26 ` [PATCH v2 8/9] procfs: improve permission checks on /proc/*/stack Djalal Harouni
2013-10-01 20:26   ` [kernel-hardening] " Djalal Harouni
2013-10-01 20:26 ` [PATCH v2 9/9] procfs: improve permission checks on /proc/*/syscall Djalal Harouni
2013-10-01 20:26   ` [kernel-hardening] " Djalal Harouni
2013-10-02  1:40 ` [PATCH v2 0/9] procfs: protect /proc/<pid>/* files with file->f_cred Andy Lutomirski
2013-10-02  1:40   ` [kernel-hardening] " Andy Lutomirski
2013-10-02 14:37   ` Djalal Harouni
2013-10-02 14:37     ` [kernel-hardening] " Djalal Harouni
2013-10-02 16:51     ` Andy Lutomirski
2013-10-02 16:51       ` [kernel-hardening] " Andy Lutomirski
2013-10-02 17:48       ` Kees Cook
2013-10-02 17:48         ` [kernel-hardening] " Kees Cook
2013-10-02 17:48         ` Kees Cook
2013-10-02 18:00         ` Andy Lutomirski
2013-10-02 18:00           ` [kernel-hardening] " Andy Lutomirski
2013-10-02 18:00           ` Andy Lutomirski
2013-10-02 18:07           ` Kees Cook
2013-10-02 18:07             ` [kernel-hardening] " Kees Cook
2013-10-02 18:07             ` Kees Cook
2013-10-03 23:14             ` Julien Tinnes
2013-10-03 23:14               ` [kernel-hardening] " Julien Tinnes
2013-10-03 23:14               ` Julien Tinnes
2013-10-02 18:26           ` Djalal Harouni
2013-10-02 18:26             ` [kernel-hardening] " Djalal Harouni
2013-10-02 18:26             ` Djalal Harouni
2013-10-02 18:41             ` Djalal Harouni
2013-10-02 18:41               ` [kernel-hardening] " Djalal Harouni
2013-10-02 18:41               ` Djalal Harouni
2013-10-02 18:22         ` Djalal Harouni
2013-10-02 18:22           ` [kernel-hardening] " Djalal Harouni
2013-10-02 18:22           ` Djalal Harouni
2013-10-02 18:35           ` Kees Cook
2013-10-02 18:35             ` [kernel-hardening] " Kees Cook
2013-10-02 18:35             ` Kees Cook
2013-10-02 18:48             ` Djalal Harouni
2013-10-02 18:48               ` [kernel-hardening] " Djalal Harouni
2013-10-02 18:48               ` Djalal Harouni
2013-10-02 19:43               ` Kees Cook
2013-10-02 19:43                 ` [kernel-hardening] " Kees Cook
2013-10-02 19:43                 ` Kees Cook
2013-10-03  6:12               ` Ingo Molnar
2013-10-03  6:12                 ` [kernel-hardening] " Ingo Molnar
2013-10-03  6:12                 ` Ingo Molnar
2013-10-03 12:29                 ` Djalal Harouni
2013-10-03 12:29                   ` [kernel-hardening] " Djalal Harouni
2013-10-03 12:29                   ` Djalal Harouni
2013-10-03 15:15                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2013-10-03 15:15                     ` [kernel-hardening] " Andy Lutomirski
2013-10-03 15:15                     ` Andy Lutomirski
2013-10-03 15:40                     ` Djalal Harouni
2013-10-03 15:40                       ` [kernel-hardening] " Djalal Harouni
2013-10-03 15:40                       ` Djalal Harouni
2013-10-03 15:50                       ` Andy Lutomirski
2013-10-03 15:50                         ` [kernel-hardening] " Andy Lutomirski
2013-10-03 15:50                         ` Andy Lutomirski
2013-10-03 18:37                         ` Djalal Harouni
2013-10-03 18:37                           ` [kernel-hardening] " Djalal Harouni
2013-10-03 18:37                           ` Djalal Harouni
2013-10-04  9:05                 ` Djalal Harouni
2013-10-04  9:05                   ` [kernel-hardening] " Djalal Harouni
2013-10-04  9:05                   ` Djalal Harouni
2013-10-02 18:12       ` Djalal Harouni
2013-10-02 18:12         ` [kernel-hardening] " Djalal Harouni
2013-10-03  6:22         ` Ingo Molnar
2013-10-03  6:22           ` [kernel-hardening] " Ingo Molnar
2013-10-03 12:56           ` Djalal Harouni
2013-10-03 12:56             ` [kernel-hardening] " Djalal Harouni
2013-10-03 13:39             ` Ingo Molnar
2013-10-03 13:39               ` [kernel-hardening] " Ingo Molnar

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