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From: Djalal Harouni <tixxdz@opendz.org>
To: Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>
Cc: "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>,
	Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>,
	Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>,
	"Serge E. Hallyn" <serge.hallyn@ubuntu.com>,
	Cyrill Gorcunov <gorcunov@openvz.org>,
	David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linux FS Devel <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"kernel-hardening@lists.openwall.com" 
	<kernel-hardening@lists.openwall.com>,
	Djalal Harouni <tixxdz@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 2/9] procfs: add proc_allow_access() to check if file's opener may access task
Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2013 12:15:56 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20131009111556.GA8781@dztty> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20131009105402.GA4810@dztty>

On Wed, Oct 09, 2013 at 11:54:02AM +0100, Djalal Harouni wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 07, 2013 at 02:41:33PM -0700, Andy Lutomirski wrote:
> > On Sat, Oct 5, 2013 at 6:23 AM, Djalal Harouni <tixxdz@opendz.org> wrote:
> > > On Fri, Oct 04, 2013 at 03:17:08PM -0700, Andy Lutomirski wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Exactly.  Hence the NAK.
> > > But Having two LSM Hooks there is really not practical!
> > 
> > It'd doable *if* it turns out that it's the right solution.
> > 
> > But revoke seems much more likely to be simple, comprehensible, and
> > obviously correct to me.
> Yes Andy, I agree, revoke is much better!
> 
> But it will not handle or fix all the situations, as I've said what if
> revoke is not invloved here? there is no an execve from the target task!
> 
> 
> Remember:
> /proc/*/{stat,maps} and perhaps others have 0444 and don't have ptrace
> checks during ->open() to not break some userspace... especially
> /proc/*/stat file
> 
> 
> So you will have an fd on these privileged files!
> 
> Current will execve a privileged process, and pass ptrace_may_access()
> checks during ->read()...
> 
> Here revoke is not involved at all! so it will not fix these files and
> they will continue to be vulnerable.
> 
> IMO to fix them, we must have the correct ptrace_may_access() check and
> this involves: current doing an execve + current's cred
> 
> 
> 
> BTW, Andy we already return 0 (end of file) for /proc/*/mem
>   ->read()
>     ->mem_read()
>       ->mem_rw()
>         if (!atomic_inc_not_zero(&mm->mm_users))
> 		return 0
> 
> So can this be considered some sort of simple revoke?
Or create dummy compat-quirk maps inode as Ingo put it in the other mail:
00000000-00000000 ---p 00000000 00:00 0
...

For /proc/*/maps files, to not break userspace


-- 
Djalal Harouni
http://opendz.org

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From: Djalal Harouni <tixxdz@opendz.org>
To: Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>
Cc: "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>,
	Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>,
	Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>,
	"Serge E. Hallyn" <serge.hallyn@ubuntu.com>,
	Cyrill Gorcunov <gorcunov@openvz.org>,
	David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linux FS Devel <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"kernel-hardening@lists.openwall.com"
	<kernel-hardening@lists.openwall.com>,
	Djalal Harouni <tixxdz@gmail.com>
Subject: [kernel-hardening] Re: [PATCH v2 2/9] procfs: add proc_allow_access() to check if file's opener may access task
Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2013 12:15:56 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20131009111556.GA8781@dztty> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20131009105402.GA4810@dztty>

On Wed, Oct 09, 2013 at 11:54:02AM +0100, Djalal Harouni wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 07, 2013 at 02:41:33PM -0700, Andy Lutomirski wrote:
> > On Sat, Oct 5, 2013 at 6:23 AM, Djalal Harouni <tixxdz@opendz.org> wrote:
> > > On Fri, Oct 04, 2013 at 03:17:08PM -0700, Andy Lutomirski wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Exactly.  Hence the NAK.
> > > But Having two LSM Hooks there is really not practical!
> > 
> > It'd doable *if* it turns out that it's the right solution.
> > 
> > But revoke seems much more likely to be simple, comprehensible, and
> > obviously correct to me.
> Yes Andy, I agree, revoke is much better!
> 
> But it will not handle or fix all the situations, as I've said what if
> revoke is not invloved here? there is no an execve from the target task!
> 
> 
> Remember:
> /proc/*/{stat,maps} and perhaps others have 0444 and don't have ptrace
> checks during ->open() to not break some userspace... especially
> /proc/*/stat file
> 
> 
> So you will have an fd on these privileged files!
> 
> Current will execve a privileged process, and pass ptrace_may_access()
> checks during ->read()...
> 
> Here revoke is not involved at all! so it will not fix these files and
> they will continue to be vulnerable.
> 
> IMO to fix them, we must have the correct ptrace_may_access() check and
> this involves: current doing an execve + current's cred
> 
> 
> 
> BTW, Andy we already return 0 (end of file) for /proc/*/mem
>   ->read()
>     ->mem_read()
>       ->mem_rw()
>         if (!atomic_inc_not_zero(&mm->mm_users))
> 		return 0
> 
> So can this be considered some sort of simple revoke?
Or create dummy compat-quirk maps inode as Ingo put it in the other mail:
00000000-00000000 ---p 00000000 00:00 0
...

For /proc/*/maps files, to not break userspace


-- 
Djalal Harouni
http://opendz.org

  reply	other threads:[~2013-10-09 11:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 179+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-10-01 20:26 [PATCH v2 0/9] procfs: protect /proc/<pid>/* files with file->f_cred Djalal Harouni
2013-10-01 20:26 ` [kernel-hardening] " Djalal Harouni
2013-10-01 20:26 ` [PATCH v2 1/9] procfs: add proc_same_open_cred() to check if the cred have changed Djalal Harouni
2013-10-01 20:26   ` [kernel-hardening] " Djalal Harouni
2013-10-01 20:26 ` [PATCH v2 2/9] procfs: add proc_allow_access() to check if file's opener may access task Djalal Harouni
2013-10-01 20:26   ` [kernel-hardening] " Djalal Harouni
2013-10-02  1:36   ` Andy Lutomirski
2013-10-02  1:36     ` [kernel-hardening] " Andy Lutomirski
2013-10-02 14:55     ` Djalal Harouni
2013-10-02 14:55       ` [kernel-hardening] " Djalal Harouni
2013-10-02 16:44       ` Andy Lutomirski
2013-10-02 16:44         ` [kernel-hardening] " Andy Lutomirski
2013-10-03 14:36         ` Djalal Harouni
2013-10-03 14:36           ` [kernel-hardening] " Djalal Harouni
2013-10-03 15:12           ` Andy Lutomirski
2013-10-03 15:12             ` [kernel-hardening] " Andy Lutomirski
2013-10-03 15:12             ` Andy Lutomirski
2013-10-03 19:29             ` Djalal Harouni
2013-10-03 19:29               ` [kernel-hardening] " Djalal Harouni
2013-10-03 19:29               ` Djalal Harouni
2013-10-03 19:37               ` Andy Lutomirski
2013-10-03 19:37                 ` [kernel-hardening] " Andy Lutomirski
2013-10-03 19:37                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2013-10-03 20:13                 ` Djalal Harouni
2013-10-03 20:13                   ` [kernel-hardening] " Djalal Harouni
2013-10-03 20:13                   ` Djalal Harouni
2013-10-03 21:09                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2013-10-03 21:09                     ` [kernel-hardening] " Andy Lutomirski
2013-10-03 21:09                     ` Andy Lutomirski
2013-10-04  8:59                     ` Djalal Harouni
2013-10-04  8:59                       ` [kernel-hardening] " Djalal Harouni
2013-10-04  8:59                       ` Djalal Harouni
2013-10-04 15:40                       ` Andy Lutomirski
2013-10-04 15:40                         ` [kernel-hardening] " Andy Lutomirski
2013-10-04 15:40                         ` Andy Lutomirski
2013-10-04 18:23                         ` Djalal Harouni
2013-10-04 18:23                           ` [kernel-hardening] " Djalal Harouni
2013-10-04 18:23                           ` Djalal Harouni
2013-10-04 18:34                           ` Andy Lutomirski
2013-10-04 18:34                             ` [kernel-hardening] " Andy Lutomirski
2013-10-04 18:34                             ` Andy Lutomirski
2013-10-04 19:11                             ` Djalal Harouni
2013-10-04 19:11                               ` [kernel-hardening] " Djalal Harouni
2013-10-04 19:11                               ` Djalal Harouni
2013-10-04 19:16                               ` Andy Lutomirski
2013-10-04 19:16                                 ` [kernel-hardening] " Andy Lutomirski
2013-10-04 19:16                                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2013-10-04 19:27                                 ` Djalal Harouni
2013-10-04 19:27                                   ` [kernel-hardening] " Djalal Harouni
2013-10-04 19:27                                   ` Djalal Harouni
2013-10-04 19:32                                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2013-10-04 19:32                                     ` [kernel-hardening] " Andy Lutomirski
2013-10-04 19:32                                     ` Andy Lutomirski
2013-10-04 19:41                                     ` Djalal Harouni
2013-10-04 19:41                                       ` [kernel-hardening] " Djalal Harouni
2013-10-04 19:41                                       ` Djalal Harouni
2013-10-04 22:17                                       ` Andy Lutomirski
2013-10-04 22:17                                         ` [kernel-hardening] " Andy Lutomirski
2013-10-04 22:17                                         ` Andy Lutomirski
2013-10-04 22:55                                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2013-10-04 22:55                                           ` [kernel-hardening] " Eric W. Biederman
2013-10-04 22:55                                           ` Eric W. Biederman
2013-10-04 22:59                                           ` Andy Lutomirski
2013-10-04 22:59                                             ` [kernel-hardening] " Andy Lutomirski
2013-10-04 22:59                                             ` Andy Lutomirski
2013-10-04 23:08                                             ` Andy Lutomirski
2013-10-04 23:08                                               ` [kernel-hardening] " Andy Lutomirski
2013-10-04 23:08                                               ` Andy Lutomirski
2013-10-05  0:35                                             ` Eric W. Biederman
2013-10-05  0:35                                               ` [kernel-hardening] " Eric W. Biederman
2013-10-05  0:35                                               ` Eric W. Biederman
2013-10-09 10:35                                               ` Djalal Harouni
2013-10-09 10:35                                                 ` [kernel-hardening] " Djalal Harouni
2013-10-09 10:35                                                 ` Djalal Harouni
2013-10-05 13:23                                         ` Djalal Harouni
2013-10-05 13:23                                           ` [kernel-hardening] " Djalal Harouni
2013-10-05 13:23                                           ` Djalal Harouni
2013-10-07 21:41                                           ` Andy Lutomirski
2013-10-07 21:41                                             ` [kernel-hardening] " Andy Lutomirski
2013-10-07 21:41                                             ` Andy Lutomirski
2013-10-09 10:54                                             ` Djalal Harouni
2013-10-09 10:54                                               ` [kernel-hardening] " Djalal Harouni
2013-10-09 10:54                                               ` Djalal Harouni
2013-10-09 11:15                                               ` Djalal Harouni [this message]
2013-10-09 11:15                                                 ` [kernel-hardening] " Djalal Harouni
2013-10-09 11:15                                                 ` Djalal Harouni
2013-10-09 17:27                                               ` Andy Lutomirski
2013-10-09 17:27                                                 ` [kernel-hardening] " Andy Lutomirski
2013-10-09 17:27                                                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2013-10-13 10:18                                                 ` Djalal Harouni
2013-10-13 10:18                                                   ` [kernel-hardening] " Djalal Harouni
2013-10-13 10:18                                                   ` Djalal Harouni
2013-10-01 20:26 ` [PATCH v2 3/9] procfs: Document the proposed solution to protect procfs entries Djalal Harouni
2013-10-01 20:26   ` [kernel-hardening] " Djalal Harouni
2013-10-01 20:26 ` [PATCH v2 4/9] procfs: make /proc/*/{stack,syscall} 0400 Djalal Harouni
2013-10-01 20:26   ` [kernel-hardening] " Djalal Harouni
2013-10-01 20:26 ` [PATCH v2 5/9] procfs: make /proc entries that use seq files able to access file->f_cred Djalal Harouni
2013-10-01 20:26   ` [kernel-hardening] " Djalal Harouni
2013-10-01 20:26 ` [PATCH v2 6/9] procfs: add permission checks on the file's opener of /proc/*/stat Djalal Harouni
2013-10-01 20:26   ` [kernel-hardening] " Djalal Harouni
2013-10-02  1:39   ` Andy Lutomirski
2013-10-02  1:39     ` [kernel-hardening] " Andy Lutomirski
2013-10-02 15:14     ` Djalal Harouni
2013-10-02 15:14       ` [kernel-hardening] " Djalal Harouni
2013-10-02 16:46       ` Andy Lutomirski
2013-10-02 16:46         ` [kernel-hardening] " Andy Lutomirski
2013-10-02 19:00         ` Djalal Harouni
2013-10-02 19:00           ` [kernel-hardening] " Djalal Harouni
2013-10-01 20:26 ` [PATCH v2 7/9] procfs: add permission checks on the file's opener of /proc/*/personality Djalal Harouni
2013-10-01 20:26   ` [kernel-hardening] " Djalal Harouni
2013-10-01 20:26 ` [PATCH v2 8/9] procfs: improve permission checks on /proc/*/stack Djalal Harouni
2013-10-01 20:26   ` [kernel-hardening] " Djalal Harouni
2013-10-01 20:26 ` [PATCH v2 9/9] procfs: improve permission checks on /proc/*/syscall Djalal Harouni
2013-10-01 20:26   ` [kernel-hardening] " Djalal Harouni
2013-10-02  1:40 ` [PATCH v2 0/9] procfs: protect /proc/<pid>/* files with file->f_cred Andy Lutomirski
2013-10-02  1:40   ` [kernel-hardening] " Andy Lutomirski
2013-10-02 14:37   ` Djalal Harouni
2013-10-02 14:37     ` [kernel-hardening] " Djalal Harouni
2013-10-02 16:51     ` Andy Lutomirski
2013-10-02 16:51       ` [kernel-hardening] " Andy Lutomirski
2013-10-02 17:48       ` Kees Cook
2013-10-02 17:48         ` [kernel-hardening] " Kees Cook
2013-10-02 17:48         ` Kees Cook
2013-10-02 18:00         ` Andy Lutomirski
2013-10-02 18:00           ` [kernel-hardening] " Andy Lutomirski
2013-10-02 18:00           ` Andy Lutomirski
2013-10-02 18:07           ` Kees Cook
2013-10-02 18:07             ` [kernel-hardening] " Kees Cook
2013-10-02 18:07             ` Kees Cook
2013-10-03 23:14             ` Julien Tinnes
2013-10-03 23:14               ` [kernel-hardening] " Julien Tinnes
2013-10-03 23:14               ` Julien Tinnes
2013-10-02 18:26           ` Djalal Harouni
2013-10-02 18:26             ` [kernel-hardening] " Djalal Harouni
2013-10-02 18:26             ` Djalal Harouni
2013-10-02 18:41             ` Djalal Harouni
2013-10-02 18:41               ` [kernel-hardening] " Djalal Harouni
2013-10-02 18:41               ` Djalal Harouni
2013-10-02 18:22         ` Djalal Harouni
2013-10-02 18:22           ` [kernel-hardening] " Djalal Harouni
2013-10-02 18:22           ` Djalal Harouni
2013-10-02 18:35           ` Kees Cook
2013-10-02 18:35             ` [kernel-hardening] " Kees Cook
2013-10-02 18:35             ` Kees Cook
2013-10-02 18:48             ` Djalal Harouni
2013-10-02 18:48               ` [kernel-hardening] " Djalal Harouni
2013-10-02 18:48               ` Djalal Harouni
2013-10-02 19:43               ` Kees Cook
2013-10-02 19:43                 ` [kernel-hardening] " Kees Cook
2013-10-02 19:43                 ` Kees Cook
2013-10-03  6:12               ` Ingo Molnar
2013-10-03  6:12                 ` [kernel-hardening] " Ingo Molnar
2013-10-03  6:12                 ` Ingo Molnar
2013-10-03 12:29                 ` Djalal Harouni
2013-10-03 12:29                   ` [kernel-hardening] " Djalal Harouni
2013-10-03 12:29                   ` Djalal Harouni
2013-10-03 15:15                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2013-10-03 15:15                     ` [kernel-hardening] " Andy Lutomirski
2013-10-03 15:15                     ` Andy Lutomirski
2013-10-03 15:40                     ` Djalal Harouni
2013-10-03 15:40                       ` [kernel-hardening] " Djalal Harouni
2013-10-03 15:40                       ` Djalal Harouni
2013-10-03 15:50                       ` Andy Lutomirski
2013-10-03 15:50                         ` [kernel-hardening] " Andy Lutomirski
2013-10-03 15:50                         ` Andy Lutomirski
2013-10-03 18:37                         ` Djalal Harouni
2013-10-03 18:37                           ` [kernel-hardening] " Djalal Harouni
2013-10-03 18:37                           ` Djalal Harouni
2013-10-04  9:05                 ` Djalal Harouni
2013-10-04  9:05                   ` [kernel-hardening] " Djalal Harouni
2013-10-04  9:05                   ` Djalal Harouni
2013-10-02 18:12       ` Djalal Harouni
2013-10-02 18:12         ` [kernel-hardening] " Djalal Harouni
2013-10-03  6:22         ` Ingo Molnar
2013-10-03  6:22           ` [kernel-hardening] " Ingo Molnar
2013-10-03 12:56           ` Djalal Harouni
2013-10-03 12:56             ` [kernel-hardening] " Djalal Harouni
2013-10-03 13:39             ` Ingo Molnar
2013-10-03 13:39               ` [kernel-hardening] " Ingo Molnar

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