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From: Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>
To: Djalal Harouni <tixxdz@opendz.org>
Cc: "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>,
	Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>,
	Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>,
	"Serge E. Hallyn" <serge.hallyn@ubuntu.com>,
	Cyrill Gorcunov <gorcunov@openvz.org>,
	David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linux FS Devel <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
	kernel-hardening@lists.openwall.com,
	Djalal Harouni <tixxdz@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 0/9] procfs: protect /proc/<pid>/* files with file->f_cred
Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2013 17:51:15 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CALCETrUcg4o5QeGMP1rRAzJSfjwS=qD3DsDWV3=fPJQOA3xkKw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20131002143759.GA2966@dztty>

On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 3:37 PM, Djalal Harouni <tixxdz@opendz.org> wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 01, 2013 at 06:40:41PM -0700, Andy Lutomirski wrote:
>> On 10/01/2013 01:26 PM, Djalal Harouni wrote:
>> > /proc/<pid>/* entries varies at runtime, appropriate permission checks
>> > need to happen during each system call.
>> >
>> > Currently some of these sensitive entries are protected by performing
>> > the ptrace_may_access() check. However even with that the /proc file
>> > descriptors can be passed to a more privileged process
>> > (e.g. a suid-exec) which will pass the classic ptrace_may_access()
>> > check. In general the ->open() call will be issued by an unprivileged
>> > process while the ->read(),->write() calls by a more privileged one.
>> >
>> > Example of these files are:
>> > /proc/*/syscall, /proc/*/stack etc.
>> >
>> > And any open(/proc/self/*) then suid-exec to read()/write() /proc/self/*
>> >
>> >
>> > These files are protected during read() by the ptrace_may_access(),
>> > however the file descriptor can be passed to a suid-exec which can be
>> > used to read data and bypass ASLR. Of course this was discussed several
>> > times on LKML.
>>
>> Can you elaborate on what it is that you're fixing?  That is, can you
>> give a concrete example of what process opens what file and passes the
>> fd to what process?
> Yes, the references were already given in this email:
> https://lkml.org/lkml/2013/8/31/209
>
> This has been discussed several times on lkml:
> https://lkml.org/lkml/2013/8/28/544
>
> https://lkml.org/lkml/2013/8/28/564 (check Kees's references)
>
>
>> I'm having trouble following your description.
> Process open a /proc file and pass the fd to a more privilaged process
> that will pass the ptrace_may_access() check, while the original process
> that opened that file should fail at the ptrace_may_access()

So we're talking about two kinds of attacks, right?

Type 1: Unprivileged process does something like open("/proc/1/maps",
O_RDONLY) and then passes the resulting fd to something privileged.

Type 2: Unprivileged process does something like
open("/proc/self/maps", O_RDONLY) and then forks.  The parent calls
execve on something privileged.


Can we really not get away with fixing type 1 by preventing these
files from being opened in the first place and type 2 by revoking all
of these fds when a privilege-changing exec happens?

I'm not objecting to your patches so much as thinking that read(2) has
no business looking at current->cred *at all*.  But maybe that ship
has already sailed.

--Andy

>
>
>> --Andy
>>
>
> --
> Djalal Harouni
> http://opendz.org



-- 
Andy Lutomirski
AMA Capital Management, LLC

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>
To: Djalal Harouni <tixxdz@opendz.org>
Cc: "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>,
	Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>,
	Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>,
	"Serge E. Hallyn" <serge.hallyn@ubuntu.com>,
	Cyrill Gorcunov <gorcunov@openvz.org>,
	David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linux FS Devel <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
	kernel-hardening@lists.openwall.com,
	Djalal Harouni <tixxdz@gmail.com>
Subject: [kernel-hardening] Re: [PATCH v2 0/9] procfs: protect /proc/<pid>/* files with file->f_cred
Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2013 17:51:15 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CALCETrUcg4o5QeGMP1rRAzJSfjwS=qD3DsDWV3=fPJQOA3xkKw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20131002143759.GA2966@dztty>

On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 3:37 PM, Djalal Harouni <tixxdz@opendz.org> wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 01, 2013 at 06:40:41PM -0700, Andy Lutomirski wrote:
>> On 10/01/2013 01:26 PM, Djalal Harouni wrote:
>> > /proc/<pid>/* entries varies at runtime, appropriate permission checks
>> > need to happen during each system call.
>> >
>> > Currently some of these sensitive entries are protected by performing
>> > the ptrace_may_access() check. However even with that the /proc file
>> > descriptors can be passed to a more privileged process
>> > (e.g. a suid-exec) which will pass the classic ptrace_may_access()
>> > check. In general the ->open() call will be issued by an unprivileged
>> > process while the ->read(),->write() calls by a more privileged one.
>> >
>> > Example of these files are:
>> > /proc/*/syscall, /proc/*/stack etc.
>> >
>> > And any open(/proc/self/*) then suid-exec to read()/write() /proc/self/*
>> >
>> >
>> > These files are protected during read() by the ptrace_may_access(),
>> > however the file descriptor can be passed to a suid-exec which can be
>> > used to read data and bypass ASLR. Of course this was discussed several
>> > times on LKML.
>>
>> Can you elaborate on what it is that you're fixing?  That is, can you
>> give a concrete example of what process opens what file and passes the
>> fd to what process?
> Yes, the references were already given in this email:
> https://lkml.org/lkml/2013/8/31/209
>
> This has been discussed several times on lkml:
> https://lkml.org/lkml/2013/8/28/544
>
> https://lkml.org/lkml/2013/8/28/564 (check Kees's references)
>
>
>> I'm having trouble following your description.
> Process open a /proc file and pass the fd to a more privilaged process
> that will pass the ptrace_may_access() check, while the original process
> that opened that file should fail at the ptrace_may_access()

So we're talking about two kinds of attacks, right?

Type 1: Unprivileged process does something like open("/proc/1/maps",
O_RDONLY) and then passes the resulting fd to something privileged.

Type 2: Unprivileged process does something like
open("/proc/self/maps", O_RDONLY) and then forks.  The parent calls
execve on something privileged.


Can we really not get away with fixing type 1 by preventing these
files from being opened in the first place and type 2 by revoking all
of these fds when a privilege-changing exec happens?

I'm not objecting to your patches so much as thinking that read(2) has
no business looking at current->cred *at all*.  But maybe that ship
has already sailed.

--Andy

>
>
>> --Andy
>>
>
> --
> Djalal Harouni
> http://opendz.org



-- 
Andy Lutomirski
AMA Capital Management, LLC

  reply	other threads:[~2013-10-02 16:51 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 179+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-10-01 20:26 [PATCH v2 0/9] procfs: protect /proc/<pid>/* files with file->f_cred Djalal Harouni
2013-10-01 20:26 ` [kernel-hardening] " Djalal Harouni
2013-10-01 20:26 ` [PATCH v2 1/9] procfs: add proc_same_open_cred() to check if the cred have changed Djalal Harouni
2013-10-01 20:26   ` [kernel-hardening] " Djalal Harouni
2013-10-01 20:26 ` [PATCH v2 2/9] procfs: add proc_allow_access() to check if file's opener may access task Djalal Harouni
2013-10-01 20:26   ` [kernel-hardening] " Djalal Harouni
2013-10-02  1:36   ` Andy Lutomirski
2013-10-02  1:36     ` [kernel-hardening] " Andy Lutomirski
2013-10-02 14:55     ` Djalal Harouni
2013-10-02 14:55       ` [kernel-hardening] " Djalal Harouni
2013-10-02 16:44       ` Andy Lutomirski
2013-10-02 16:44         ` [kernel-hardening] " Andy Lutomirski
2013-10-03 14:36         ` Djalal Harouni
2013-10-03 14:36           ` [kernel-hardening] " Djalal Harouni
2013-10-03 15:12           ` Andy Lutomirski
2013-10-03 15:12             ` [kernel-hardening] " Andy Lutomirski
2013-10-03 15:12             ` Andy Lutomirski
2013-10-03 19:29             ` Djalal Harouni
2013-10-03 19:29               ` [kernel-hardening] " Djalal Harouni
2013-10-03 19:29               ` Djalal Harouni
2013-10-03 19:37               ` Andy Lutomirski
2013-10-03 19:37                 ` [kernel-hardening] " Andy Lutomirski
2013-10-03 19:37                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2013-10-03 20:13                 ` Djalal Harouni
2013-10-03 20:13                   ` [kernel-hardening] " Djalal Harouni
2013-10-03 20:13                   ` Djalal Harouni
2013-10-03 21:09                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2013-10-03 21:09                     ` [kernel-hardening] " Andy Lutomirski
2013-10-03 21:09                     ` Andy Lutomirski
2013-10-04  8:59                     ` Djalal Harouni
2013-10-04  8:59                       ` [kernel-hardening] " Djalal Harouni
2013-10-04  8:59                       ` Djalal Harouni
2013-10-04 15:40                       ` Andy Lutomirski
2013-10-04 15:40                         ` [kernel-hardening] " Andy Lutomirski
2013-10-04 15:40                         ` Andy Lutomirski
2013-10-04 18:23                         ` Djalal Harouni
2013-10-04 18:23                           ` [kernel-hardening] " Djalal Harouni
2013-10-04 18:23                           ` Djalal Harouni
2013-10-04 18:34                           ` Andy Lutomirski
2013-10-04 18:34                             ` [kernel-hardening] " Andy Lutomirski
2013-10-04 18:34                             ` Andy Lutomirski
2013-10-04 19:11                             ` Djalal Harouni
2013-10-04 19:11                               ` [kernel-hardening] " Djalal Harouni
2013-10-04 19:11                               ` Djalal Harouni
2013-10-04 19:16                               ` Andy Lutomirski
2013-10-04 19:16                                 ` [kernel-hardening] " Andy Lutomirski
2013-10-04 19:16                                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2013-10-04 19:27                                 ` Djalal Harouni
2013-10-04 19:27                                   ` [kernel-hardening] " Djalal Harouni
2013-10-04 19:27                                   ` Djalal Harouni
2013-10-04 19:32                                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2013-10-04 19:32                                     ` [kernel-hardening] " Andy Lutomirski
2013-10-04 19:32                                     ` Andy Lutomirski
2013-10-04 19:41                                     ` Djalal Harouni
2013-10-04 19:41                                       ` [kernel-hardening] " Djalal Harouni
2013-10-04 19:41                                       ` Djalal Harouni
2013-10-04 22:17                                       ` Andy Lutomirski
2013-10-04 22:17                                         ` [kernel-hardening] " Andy Lutomirski
2013-10-04 22:17                                         ` Andy Lutomirski
2013-10-04 22:55                                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2013-10-04 22:55                                           ` [kernel-hardening] " Eric W. Biederman
2013-10-04 22:55                                           ` Eric W. Biederman
2013-10-04 22:59                                           ` Andy Lutomirski
2013-10-04 22:59                                             ` [kernel-hardening] " Andy Lutomirski
2013-10-04 22:59                                             ` Andy Lutomirski
2013-10-04 23:08                                             ` Andy Lutomirski
2013-10-04 23:08                                               ` [kernel-hardening] " Andy Lutomirski
2013-10-04 23:08                                               ` Andy Lutomirski
2013-10-05  0:35                                             ` Eric W. Biederman
2013-10-05  0:35                                               ` [kernel-hardening] " Eric W. Biederman
2013-10-05  0:35                                               ` Eric W. Biederman
2013-10-09 10:35                                               ` Djalal Harouni
2013-10-09 10:35                                                 ` [kernel-hardening] " Djalal Harouni
2013-10-09 10:35                                                 ` Djalal Harouni
2013-10-05 13:23                                         ` Djalal Harouni
2013-10-05 13:23                                           ` [kernel-hardening] " Djalal Harouni
2013-10-05 13:23                                           ` Djalal Harouni
2013-10-07 21:41                                           ` Andy Lutomirski
2013-10-07 21:41                                             ` [kernel-hardening] " Andy Lutomirski
2013-10-07 21:41                                             ` Andy Lutomirski
2013-10-09 10:54                                             ` Djalal Harouni
2013-10-09 10:54                                               ` [kernel-hardening] " Djalal Harouni
2013-10-09 10:54                                               ` Djalal Harouni
2013-10-09 11:15                                               ` Djalal Harouni
2013-10-09 11:15                                                 ` [kernel-hardening] " Djalal Harouni
2013-10-09 11:15                                                 ` Djalal Harouni
2013-10-09 17:27                                               ` Andy Lutomirski
2013-10-09 17:27                                                 ` [kernel-hardening] " Andy Lutomirski
2013-10-09 17:27                                                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2013-10-13 10:18                                                 ` Djalal Harouni
2013-10-13 10:18                                                   ` [kernel-hardening] " Djalal Harouni
2013-10-13 10:18                                                   ` Djalal Harouni
2013-10-01 20:26 ` [PATCH v2 3/9] procfs: Document the proposed solution to protect procfs entries Djalal Harouni
2013-10-01 20:26   ` [kernel-hardening] " Djalal Harouni
2013-10-01 20:26 ` [PATCH v2 4/9] procfs: make /proc/*/{stack,syscall} 0400 Djalal Harouni
2013-10-01 20:26   ` [kernel-hardening] " Djalal Harouni
2013-10-01 20:26 ` [PATCH v2 5/9] procfs: make /proc entries that use seq files able to access file->f_cred Djalal Harouni
2013-10-01 20:26   ` [kernel-hardening] " Djalal Harouni
2013-10-01 20:26 ` [PATCH v2 6/9] procfs: add permission checks on the file's opener of /proc/*/stat Djalal Harouni
2013-10-01 20:26   ` [kernel-hardening] " Djalal Harouni
2013-10-02  1:39   ` Andy Lutomirski
2013-10-02  1:39     ` [kernel-hardening] " Andy Lutomirski
2013-10-02 15:14     ` Djalal Harouni
2013-10-02 15:14       ` [kernel-hardening] " Djalal Harouni
2013-10-02 16:46       ` Andy Lutomirski
2013-10-02 16:46         ` [kernel-hardening] " Andy Lutomirski
2013-10-02 19:00         ` Djalal Harouni
2013-10-02 19:00           ` [kernel-hardening] " Djalal Harouni
2013-10-01 20:26 ` [PATCH v2 7/9] procfs: add permission checks on the file's opener of /proc/*/personality Djalal Harouni
2013-10-01 20:26   ` [kernel-hardening] " Djalal Harouni
2013-10-01 20:26 ` [PATCH v2 8/9] procfs: improve permission checks on /proc/*/stack Djalal Harouni
2013-10-01 20:26   ` [kernel-hardening] " Djalal Harouni
2013-10-01 20:26 ` [PATCH v2 9/9] procfs: improve permission checks on /proc/*/syscall Djalal Harouni
2013-10-01 20:26   ` [kernel-hardening] " Djalal Harouni
2013-10-02  1:40 ` [PATCH v2 0/9] procfs: protect /proc/<pid>/* files with file->f_cred Andy Lutomirski
2013-10-02  1:40   ` [kernel-hardening] " Andy Lutomirski
2013-10-02 14:37   ` Djalal Harouni
2013-10-02 14:37     ` [kernel-hardening] " Djalal Harouni
2013-10-02 16:51     ` Andy Lutomirski [this message]
2013-10-02 16:51       ` Andy Lutomirski
2013-10-02 17:48       ` Kees Cook
2013-10-02 17:48         ` [kernel-hardening] " Kees Cook
2013-10-02 17:48         ` Kees Cook
2013-10-02 18:00         ` Andy Lutomirski
2013-10-02 18:00           ` [kernel-hardening] " Andy Lutomirski
2013-10-02 18:00           ` Andy Lutomirski
2013-10-02 18:07           ` Kees Cook
2013-10-02 18:07             ` [kernel-hardening] " Kees Cook
2013-10-02 18:07             ` Kees Cook
2013-10-03 23:14             ` Julien Tinnes
2013-10-03 23:14               ` [kernel-hardening] " Julien Tinnes
2013-10-03 23:14               ` Julien Tinnes
2013-10-02 18:26           ` Djalal Harouni
2013-10-02 18:26             ` [kernel-hardening] " Djalal Harouni
2013-10-02 18:26             ` Djalal Harouni
2013-10-02 18:41             ` Djalal Harouni
2013-10-02 18:41               ` [kernel-hardening] " Djalal Harouni
2013-10-02 18:41               ` Djalal Harouni
2013-10-02 18:22         ` Djalal Harouni
2013-10-02 18:22           ` [kernel-hardening] " Djalal Harouni
2013-10-02 18:22           ` Djalal Harouni
2013-10-02 18:35           ` Kees Cook
2013-10-02 18:35             ` [kernel-hardening] " Kees Cook
2013-10-02 18:35             ` Kees Cook
2013-10-02 18:48             ` Djalal Harouni
2013-10-02 18:48               ` [kernel-hardening] " Djalal Harouni
2013-10-02 18:48               ` Djalal Harouni
2013-10-02 19:43               ` Kees Cook
2013-10-02 19:43                 ` [kernel-hardening] " Kees Cook
2013-10-02 19:43                 ` Kees Cook
2013-10-03  6:12               ` Ingo Molnar
2013-10-03  6:12                 ` [kernel-hardening] " Ingo Molnar
2013-10-03  6:12                 ` Ingo Molnar
2013-10-03 12:29                 ` Djalal Harouni
2013-10-03 12:29                   ` [kernel-hardening] " Djalal Harouni
2013-10-03 12:29                   ` Djalal Harouni
2013-10-03 15:15                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2013-10-03 15:15                     ` [kernel-hardening] " Andy Lutomirski
2013-10-03 15:15                     ` Andy Lutomirski
2013-10-03 15:40                     ` Djalal Harouni
2013-10-03 15:40                       ` [kernel-hardening] " Djalal Harouni
2013-10-03 15:40                       ` Djalal Harouni
2013-10-03 15:50                       ` Andy Lutomirski
2013-10-03 15:50                         ` [kernel-hardening] " Andy Lutomirski
2013-10-03 15:50                         ` Andy Lutomirski
2013-10-03 18:37                         ` Djalal Harouni
2013-10-03 18:37                           ` [kernel-hardening] " Djalal Harouni
2013-10-03 18:37                           ` Djalal Harouni
2013-10-04  9:05                 ` Djalal Harouni
2013-10-04  9:05                   ` [kernel-hardening] " Djalal Harouni
2013-10-04  9:05                   ` Djalal Harouni
2013-10-02 18:12       ` Djalal Harouni
2013-10-02 18:12         ` [kernel-hardening] " Djalal Harouni
2013-10-03  6:22         ` Ingo Molnar
2013-10-03  6:22           ` [kernel-hardening] " Ingo Molnar
2013-10-03 12:56           ` Djalal Harouni
2013-10-03 12:56             ` [kernel-hardening] " Djalal Harouni
2013-10-03 13:39             ` Ingo Molnar
2013-10-03 13:39               ` [kernel-hardening] " Ingo Molnar

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