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From: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>
To: Anna Schumaker <Anna.Schumaker@netapp.com>
Cc: P??draig Brady <P@draigBrady.com>,
	Neil Brown <nfbrown@novell.com>,
	linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org, linux-btrfs@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-api@vger.kernel.org,
	zab@zabbo.net, viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk, clm@fb.com,
	darrick.wong@oracle.com, mtk.manpages@gmail.com,
	andros@netapp.com, hch@infradead.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 8/9] vfs: Add vfs_copy_file_range() support for pagecache copies
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2015 00:41:25 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20151014074125.GA2485@infradead.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <561D68B9.8030209@Netapp.com>

On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 04:25:29PM -0400, Anna Schumaker wrote:
> I haven't tried it, but I think the hole would be expanded :(.  I'm having splice() handle the pagecache copy part, and (as far as I know) splice() doesn't know anything about sparse files.  I might be able to put in some kind of fallocate() / splice() loop to copy the range in multiple pieces.
> 
> I don't want to add COPY_FR_SPARSE_AUTO, because then the kernel will have to determine how best to interpret "auto".  I'm more inclined to add a single COPY_FR_SPARSE flag to enable creating sparse files, and then have the application tell us what to do for any given range.

Teh right think is to keep sparse ranges spare as much as possible.
This would require the same sort of support as NFS READ_PLUS so I think
it's worthwhile to try it.  If the file system can't support it it won't
be sparse, so we'll get a worse quality of implementation.

But please don't add even more weird flags that just confuse users.

So far I think the only useful flag for copy_file_range is a PREALLOC
or similar flag that says the destination range should have an implicit
poix_fallocate performed on it.  And due to the complexity of
implementation I'm not even sure we need that in the first version.

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Christoph Hellwig <hch-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org>
To: Anna Schumaker <Anna.Schumaker-HgOvQuBEEgTQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
Cc: P??draig Brady <P@draigBrady.com>,
	Neil Brown <nfbrown-Et1tbQHTxzrQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	linux-nfs-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	linux-btrfs-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	linux-fsdevel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	linux-api-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	zab-ugsP4Wv/S6ZeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org,
	viro-RmSDqhL/yNMiFSDQTTA3OLVCufUGDwFn@public.gmane.org,
	clm-b10kYP2dOMg@public.gmane.org,
	darrick.wong-QHcLZuEGTsvQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org,
	mtk.manpages-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org,
	andros-HgOvQuBEEgTQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org,
	hch-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 8/9] vfs: Add vfs_copy_file_range() support for pagecache copies
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2015 00:41:25 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20151014074125.GA2485@infradead.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <561D68B9.8030209-ZwjVKphTwtPQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>

On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 04:25:29PM -0400, Anna Schumaker wrote:
> I haven't tried it, but I think the hole would be expanded :(.  I'm having splice() handle the pagecache copy part, and (as far as I know) splice() doesn't know anything about sparse files.  I might be able to put in some kind of fallocate() / splice() loop to copy the range in multiple pieces.
> 
> I don't want to add COPY_FR_SPARSE_AUTO, because then the kernel will have to determine how best to interpret "auto".  I'm more inclined to add a single COPY_FR_SPARSE flag to enable creating sparse files, and then have the application tell us what to do for any given range.

Teh right think is to keep sparse ranges spare as much as possible.
This would require the same sort of support as NFS READ_PLUS so I think
it's worthwhile to try it.  If the file system can't support it it won't
be sparse, so we'll get a worse quality of implementation.

But please don't add even more weird flags that just confuse users.

So far I think the only useful flag for copy_file_range is a PREALLOC
or similar flag that says the destination range should have an implicit
poix_fallocate performed on it.  And due to the complexity of
implementation I'm not even sure we need that in the first version.

  reply	other threads:[~2015-10-14  7:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 129+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-09-30 17:26 [PATCH v5 0/9] VFS: In-kernel copy system call Anna Schumaker
2015-09-30 17:26 ` Anna Schumaker
2015-09-30 17:26 ` Anna Schumaker
2015-09-30 17:26 ` [PATCH v5 1/9] vfs: add copy_file_range syscall and vfs helper Anna Schumaker
2015-09-30 17:26   ` Anna Schumaker
2015-09-30 17:26 ` [PATCH v5 2/9] x86: add sys_copy_file_range to syscall tables Anna Schumaker
2015-09-30 17:26   ` Anna Schumaker
2015-09-30 17:26 ` [PATCH v5 3/9] btrfs: add .copy_file_range file operation Anna Schumaker
2015-09-30 17:26   ` Anna Schumaker
2015-09-30 17:26 ` [PATCH v5 4/9] vfs: Copy should check len after file open mode Anna Schumaker
2015-09-30 17:26   ` Anna Schumaker
2015-09-30 17:26   ` Anna Schumaker
2015-10-11 14:22   ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-10-11 14:22     ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-09-30 17:26 ` [PATCH v5 5/9] vfs: Copy shouldn't forbid ranges inside the same file Anna Schumaker
2015-09-30 17:26   ` Anna Schumaker
2015-10-11 14:22   ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-10-14 17:37     ` Anna Schumaker
2015-10-14 17:37       ` Anna Schumaker
2015-10-14 17:37       ` Anna Schumaker
2015-10-14 18:25       ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-10-14 18:27         ` Anna Schumaker
2015-10-14 18:27           ` Anna Schumaker
2015-10-14 18:27           ` Anna Schumaker
2015-09-30 17:26 ` [PATCH v5 6/9] vfs: Copy should use file_out rather than file_in Anna Schumaker
2015-09-30 17:26   ` Anna Schumaker
2015-10-11 14:24   ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-09-30 17:26 ` [PATCH v5 7/9] vfs: Remove copy_file_range mountpoint checks Anna Schumaker
2015-09-30 17:26   ` Anna Schumaker
2015-10-11 14:23   ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-10-14 17:41     ` Anna Schumaker
2015-10-14 17:41       ` Anna Schumaker
2015-10-14 18:25       ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-10-14 18:25         ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-09-30 17:26 ` [PATCH v5 8/9] vfs: Add vfs_copy_file_range() support for pagecache copies Anna Schumaker
2015-09-30 17:26   ` Anna Schumaker
2015-09-30 17:26   ` Anna Schumaker
2015-10-08  1:40   ` Neil Brown
2015-10-09 11:15     ` Pádraig Brady
2015-10-09 11:15       ` Pádraig Brady
2015-10-13 20:25       ` Anna Schumaker
2015-10-13 20:25         ` Anna Schumaker
2015-10-14  7:41         ` Christoph Hellwig [this message]
2015-10-14  7:41           ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-10-13 19:45     ` Anna Schumaker
2015-10-13 19:45       ` Anna Schumaker
2015-10-13 19:45       ` Anna Schumaker
2015-10-11 14:22   ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-10-11 14:22     ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-10-12 23:17     ` Darrick J. Wong
2015-10-12 23:17       ` Darrick J. Wong
2015-10-13  3:36       ` Trond Myklebust
2015-10-13  7:19         ` Darrick J. Wong
2015-10-13  7:19           ` Darrick J. Wong
2015-10-13  7:30         ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-10-13  7:30           ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-10-13  7:27       ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-10-13  7:27         ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-11-10  6:24         ` Darrick J. Wong
2015-10-14 17:59       ` Anna Schumaker
2015-10-14 17:59         ` Anna Schumaker
2015-10-14 17:59         ` Anna Schumaker
2015-10-14 18:08         ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-10-14 18:27           ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-10-14 18:38             ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-10-14 18:38               ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-10-14 18:49               ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-10-14 18:49                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-10-14 18:53                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-10-14 19:14                   ` Austin S Hemmelgarn
2015-10-14 19:14                     ` Austin S Hemmelgarn
2015-10-14 19:39                     ` Pádraig Brady
2015-10-14 19:39                       ` Pádraig Brady
2015-10-15  5:56                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-10-15  5:56                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-10-14 19:08             ` Austin S Hemmelgarn
2015-10-14 19:08               ` Austin S Hemmelgarn
2015-10-15  6:36               ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-10-15  6:36                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-10-15 12:24                 ` Austin S Hemmelgarn
2015-10-15 12:24                   ` Austin S Hemmelgarn
2015-10-16  5:38                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-10-16  5:38                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-10-16 11:46                     ` Austin S Hemmelgarn
2015-10-16 12:02                       ` Pádraig Brady
2015-10-16 12:02                         ` Pádraig Brady
2015-10-16 12:24                         ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-10-16 12:24                           ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-10-16 12:46                           ` Austin S Hemmelgarn
2015-10-16 12:46                             ` Austin S Hemmelgarn
2015-10-16 12:21                       ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-10-16 12:21                         ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-10-16 12:50                         ` Austin S Hemmelgarn
2015-10-16 13:12                           ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-10-16 14:11                             ` Austin S Hemmelgarn
2015-10-14 18:11         ` Darrick J. Wong
2015-10-14 18:11           ` Darrick J. Wong
2015-10-14 18:26           ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-09-30 17:26 ` [PATCH v5 9/9] btrfs: btrfs_copy_file_range() only supports reflinks Anna Schumaker
2015-09-30 17:26   ` Anna Schumaker
2015-10-11 14:29   ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-10-11 14:29     ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-10-12 10:23     ` Pádraig Brady
2015-10-12 10:23       ` Pádraig Brady
2015-10-12 14:34       ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-10-12 23:41         ` Darrick J. Wong
2015-10-12 23:41           ` Darrick J. Wong
2015-10-13  7:29           ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-10-13  7:29             ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-10-14 18:46             ` Darrick J. Wong
2015-10-14 18:46               ` Darrick J. Wong
2015-10-15  6:00               ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-10-16 11:49                 ` Chris Mason
2015-10-16 11:49                   ` Chris Mason
2015-10-16 11:49                   ` Chris Mason
2015-10-16 12:25                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-10-16 12:25                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-10-16 13:19                     ` Chris Mason
2015-10-16 13:19                       ` Chris Mason
2015-10-16 13:19                       ` Chris Mason
2015-10-16 21:44                       ` Dave Chinner
2015-10-17 13:44                         ` Chris Mason
2015-10-17 13:44                           ` Chris Mason
2015-10-17 13:44                           ` Chris Mason
2015-10-15  8:35               ` Dave Chinner
2015-10-15  8:35                 ` Dave Chinner
2015-09-30 17:26 ` [PATCH v5 10/9] copy_file_range.2: New page documenting copy_file_range() Anna Schumaker
2015-09-30 17:26   ` Anna Schumaker
2015-09-30 17:26   ` Anna Schumaker

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