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From: Anna Schumaker <Anna.Schumaker@netapp.com>
To: "Pádraig Brady" <P@draigBrady.com>,
	"Neil Brown" <nfbrown@novell.com>,
	linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org, linux-btrfs@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-api@vger.kernel.org,
	zab@zabbo.net, viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk, clm@fb.com,
	darrick.wong@oracle.com, mtk.manpages@gmail.com,
	andros@netapp.com, hch@infradead.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 8/9] vfs: Add vfs_copy_file_range() support for pagecache copies
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2015 16:25:29 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <561D68B9.8030209@Netapp.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5617A1E9.1080509@draigBrady.com>

On 10/09/2015 07:15 AM, Pádraig Brady wrote:
> On 08/10/15 02:40, Neil Brown wrote:
>> Anna Schumaker <Anna.Schumaker@netapp.com> writes:
>>
>>> @@ -1338,34 +1362,26 @@ ssize_t vfs_copy_file_range(struct file *file_in, loff_t pos_in,
>>>  			    struct file *file_out, loff_t pos_out,
>>>  			    size_t len, unsigned int flags)
>>>  {
>>> -	struct inode *inode_in;
>>> -	struct inode *inode_out;
>>>  	ssize_t ret;
>>>  
>>> -	if (flags)
>>> +	/* Flags should only be used exclusively. */
>>> +	if ((flags & COPY_FR_COPY) && (flags & ~COPY_FR_COPY))
>>> +		return -EINVAL;
>>> +	if ((flags & COPY_FR_REFLINK) && (flags & ~COPY_FR_REFLINK))
>>> +		return -EINVAL;
>>> +	if ((flags & COPY_FR_DEDUP) && (flags & ~COPY_FR_DEDUP))
>>>  		return -EINVAL;
>>>  
>>
>> Do you also need:
>>
>>    if (flags & ~(COPY_FR_COPY | COPY_FR_REFLINK | COPY_FR_DEDUP))
>>    	return -EINVAL;
>>
>> so that future user-space can test if the kernel supports new flags?
> 
> Seems like a good idea, yes.
> 
> Also that got me thinking about COPY_FR_SPARSE.
> What's the current behavior when copying a sparse range?
> Is the hole propagated by default (good), or is it expanded?

I haven't tried it, but I think the hole would be expanded :(.  I'm having splice() handle the pagecache copy part, and (as far as I know) splice() doesn't know anything about sparse files.  I might be able to put in some kind of fallocate() / splice() loop to copy the range in multiple pieces.

I don't want to add COPY_FR_SPARSE_AUTO, because then the kernel will have to determine how best to interpret "auto".  I'm more inclined to add a single COPY_FR_SPARSE flag to enable creating sparse files, and then have the application tell us what to do for any given range.

Anna

> 
> Note cp(1) has --sparse={never,auto,always}. Auto is the default,
> so it would be good I think if that was the default mode for copy_file_range().
> With other sparse modes, we'd have to avoid copy_file_range() unless
> there was control possible with COPY_FR_SPARSE_{AUTO,NONE,ALWAYS}.
> Note currently cp --sparse=always will detect runs of zeros and also
> avoid speculative preallocation by using fallocate (fd, FALLOC_FL_PUNCH_HOLE, ...)
> 
> thanks,
> Pádraig.
> 


WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Anna Schumaker <Anna.Schumaker-HgOvQuBEEgTQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
To: "Pádraig Brady" <P@draigBrady.com>,
	"Neil Brown" <nfbrown-Et1tbQHTxzrQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	linux-nfs-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	linux-btrfs-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	linux-fsdevel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	linux-api-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	zab-ugsP4Wv/S6ZeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org,
	viro-RmSDqhL/yNMiFSDQTTA3OLVCufUGDwFn@public.gmane.org,
	clm-b10kYP2dOMg@public.gmane.org,
	darrick.wong-QHcLZuEGTsvQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org,
	mtk.manpages-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org,
	andros-HgOvQuBEEgTQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org,
	hch-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 8/9] vfs: Add vfs_copy_file_range() support for pagecache copies
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2015 16:25:29 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <561D68B9.8030209@Netapp.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5617A1E9.1080509-V8g9lnOeT5ydJdNcDFJN0w@public.gmane.org>

On 10/09/2015 07:15 AM, Pádraig Brady wrote:
> On 08/10/15 02:40, Neil Brown wrote:
>> Anna Schumaker <Anna.Schumaker-HgOvQuBEEgTQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> writes:
>>
>>> @@ -1338,34 +1362,26 @@ ssize_t vfs_copy_file_range(struct file *file_in, loff_t pos_in,
>>>  			    struct file *file_out, loff_t pos_out,
>>>  			    size_t len, unsigned int flags)
>>>  {
>>> -	struct inode *inode_in;
>>> -	struct inode *inode_out;
>>>  	ssize_t ret;
>>>  
>>> -	if (flags)
>>> +	/* Flags should only be used exclusively. */
>>> +	if ((flags & COPY_FR_COPY) && (flags & ~COPY_FR_COPY))
>>> +		return -EINVAL;
>>> +	if ((flags & COPY_FR_REFLINK) && (flags & ~COPY_FR_REFLINK))
>>> +		return -EINVAL;
>>> +	if ((flags & COPY_FR_DEDUP) && (flags & ~COPY_FR_DEDUP))
>>>  		return -EINVAL;
>>>  
>>
>> Do you also need:
>>
>>    if (flags & ~(COPY_FR_COPY | COPY_FR_REFLINK | COPY_FR_DEDUP))
>>    	return -EINVAL;
>>
>> so that future user-space can test if the kernel supports new flags?
> 
> Seems like a good idea, yes.
> 
> Also that got me thinking about COPY_FR_SPARSE.
> What's the current behavior when copying a sparse range?
> Is the hole propagated by default (good), or is it expanded?

I haven't tried it, but I think the hole would be expanded :(.  I'm having splice() handle the pagecache copy part, and (as far as I know) splice() doesn't know anything about sparse files.  I might be able to put in some kind of fallocate() / splice() loop to copy the range in multiple pieces.

I don't want to add COPY_FR_SPARSE_AUTO, because then the kernel will have to determine how best to interpret "auto".  I'm more inclined to add a single COPY_FR_SPARSE flag to enable creating sparse files, and then have the application tell us what to do for any given range.

Anna

> 
> Note cp(1) has --sparse={never,auto,always}. Auto is the default,
> so it would be good I think if that was the default mode for copy_file_range().
> With other sparse modes, we'd have to avoid copy_file_range() unless
> there was control possible with COPY_FR_SPARSE_{AUTO,NONE,ALWAYS}.
> Note currently cp --sparse=always will detect runs of zeros and also
> avoid speculative preallocation by using fallocate (fd, FALLOC_FL_PUNCH_HOLE, ...)
> 
> thanks,
> Pádraig.
> 

  reply	other threads:[~2015-10-13 20:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 129+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-09-30 17:26 [PATCH v5 0/9] VFS: In-kernel copy system call Anna Schumaker
2015-09-30 17:26 ` Anna Schumaker
2015-09-30 17:26 ` Anna Schumaker
2015-09-30 17:26 ` [PATCH v5 1/9] vfs: add copy_file_range syscall and vfs helper Anna Schumaker
2015-09-30 17:26   ` Anna Schumaker
2015-09-30 17:26 ` [PATCH v5 2/9] x86: add sys_copy_file_range to syscall tables Anna Schumaker
2015-09-30 17:26   ` Anna Schumaker
2015-09-30 17:26 ` [PATCH v5 3/9] btrfs: add .copy_file_range file operation Anna Schumaker
2015-09-30 17:26   ` Anna Schumaker
2015-09-30 17:26 ` [PATCH v5 4/9] vfs: Copy should check len after file open mode Anna Schumaker
2015-09-30 17:26   ` Anna Schumaker
2015-09-30 17:26   ` Anna Schumaker
2015-10-11 14:22   ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-10-11 14:22     ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-09-30 17:26 ` [PATCH v5 5/9] vfs: Copy shouldn't forbid ranges inside the same file Anna Schumaker
2015-09-30 17:26   ` Anna Schumaker
2015-10-11 14:22   ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-10-14 17:37     ` Anna Schumaker
2015-10-14 17:37       ` Anna Schumaker
2015-10-14 17:37       ` Anna Schumaker
2015-10-14 18:25       ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-10-14 18:27         ` Anna Schumaker
2015-10-14 18:27           ` Anna Schumaker
2015-10-14 18:27           ` Anna Schumaker
2015-09-30 17:26 ` [PATCH v5 6/9] vfs: Copy should use file_out rather than file_in Anna Schumaker
2015-09-30 17:26   ` Anna Schumaker
2015-10-11 14:24   ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-09-30 17:26 ` [PATCH v5 7/9] vfs: Remove copy_file_range mountpoint checks Anna Schumaker
2015-09-30 17:26   ` Anna Schumaker
2015-10-11 14:23   ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-10-14 17:41     ` Anna Schumaker
2015-10-14 17:41       ` Anna Schumaker
2015-10-14 18:25       ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-10-14 18:25         ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-09-30 17:26 ` [PATCH v5 8/9] vfs: Add vfs_copy_file_range() support for pagecache copies Anna Schumaker
2015-09-30 17:26   ` Anna Schumaker
2015-09-30 17:26   ` Anna Schumaker
2015-10-08  1:40   ` Neil Brown
2015-10-09 11:15     ` Pádraig Brady
2015-10-09 11:15       ` Pádraig Brady
2015-10-13 20:25       ` Anna Schumaker [this message]
2015-10-13 20:25         ` Anna Schumaker
2015-10-14  7:41         ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-10-14  7:41           ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-10-13 19:45     ` Anna Schumaker
2015-10-13 19:45       ` Anna Schumaker
2015-10-13 19:45       ` Anna Schumaker
2015-10-11 14:22   ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-10-11 14:22     ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-10-12 23:17     ` Darrick J. Wong
2015-10-12 23:17       ` Darrick J. Wong
2015-10-13  3:36       ` Trond Myklebust
2015-10-13  7:19         ` Darrick J. Wong
2015-10-13  7:19           ` Darrick J. Wong
2015-10-13  7:30         ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-10-13  7:30           ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-10-13  7:27       ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-10-13  7:27         ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-11-10  6:24         ` Darrick J. Wong
2015-10-14 17:59       ` Anna Schumaker
2015-10-14 17:59         ` Anna Schumaker
2015-10-14 17:59         ` Anna Schumaker
2015-10-14 18:08         ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-10-14 18:27           ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-10-14 18:38             ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-10-14 18:38               ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-10-14 18:49               ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-10-14 18:49                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-10-14 18:53                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-10-14 19:14                   ` Austin S Hemmelgarn
2015-10-14 19:14                     ` Austin S Hemmelgarn
2015-10-14 19:39                     ` Pádraig Brady
2015-10-14 19:39                       ` Pádraig Brady
2015-10-15  5:56                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-10-15  5:56                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-10-14 19:08             ` Austin S Hemmelgarn
2015-10-14 19:08               ` Austin S Hemmelgarn
2015-10-15  6:36               ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-10-15  6:36                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-10-15 12:24                 ` Austin S Hemmelgarn
2015-10-15 12:24                   ` Austin S Hemmelgarn
2015-10-16  5:38                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-10-16  5:38                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-10-16 11:46                     ` Austin S Hemmelgarn
2015-10-16 12:02                       ` Pádraig Brady
2015-10-16 12:02                         ` Pádraig Brady
2015-10-16 12:24                         ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-10-16 12:24                           ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-10-16 12:46                           ` Austin S Hemmelgarn
2015-10-16 12:46                             ` Austin S Hemmelgarn
2015-10-16 12:21                       ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-10-16 12:21                         ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-10-16 12:50                         ` Austin S Hemmelgarn
2015-10-16 13:12                           ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-10-16 14:11                             ` Austin S Hemmelgarn
2015-10-14 18:11         ` Darrick J. Wong
2015-10-14 18:11           ` Darrick J. Wong
2015-10-14 18:26           ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-09-30 17:26 ` [PATCH v5 9/9] btrfs: btrfs_copy_file_range() only supports reflinks Anna Schumaker
2015-09-30 17:26   ` Anna Schumaker
2015-10-11 14:29   ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-10-11 14:29     ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-10-12 10:23     ` Pádraig Brady
2015-10-12 10:23       ` Pádraig Brady
2015-10-12 14:34       ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-10-12 23:41         ` Darrick J. Wong
2015-10-12 23:41           ` Darrick J. Wong
2015-10-13  7:29           ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-10-13  7:29             ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-10-14 18:46             ` Darrick J. Wong
2015-10-14 18:46               ` Darrick J. Wong
2015-10-15  6:00               ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-10-16 11:49                 ` Chris Mason
2015-10-16 11:49                   ` Chris Mason
2015-10-16 11:49                   ` Chris Mason
2015-10-16 12:25                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-10-16 12:25                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-10-16 13:19                     ` Chris Mason
2015-10-16 13:19                       ` Chris Mason
2015-10-16 13:19                       ` Chris Mason
2015-10-16 21:44                       ` Dave Chinner
2015-10-17 13:44                         ` Chris Mason
2015-10-17 13:44                           ` Chris Mason
2015-10-17 13:44                           ` Chris Mason
2015-10-15  8:35               ` Dave Chinner
2015-10-15  8:35                 ` Dave Chinner
2015-09-30 17:26 ` [PATCH v5 10/9] copy_file_range.2: New page documenting copy_file_range() Anna Schumaker
2015-09-30 17:26   ` Anna Schumaker
2015-09-30 17:26   ` Anna Schumaker

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