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From: "Darrick J. Wong" <darrick.wong@oracle.com>
To: Anna Schumaker <Anna.Schumaker@netapp.com>
Cc: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org, linux-btrfs@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-api@vger.kernel.org,
	zab@zabbo.net, viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk, clm@fb.com,
	mtk.manpages@gmail.com, andros@netapp.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 8/9] vfs: Add vfs_copy_file_range() support for pagecache copies
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2015 11:11:42 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20151014181142.GE11398@birch.djwong.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <561E980C.9010509@Netapp.com>

On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 01:59:40PM -0400, Anna Schumaker wrote:
> On 10/12/2015 07:17 PM, Darrick J. Wong wrote:
> > On Sun, Oct 11, 2015 at 07:22:03AM -0700, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
> >> On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 01:26:52PM -0400, Anna Schumaker wrote:
> >>> This allows us to have an in-kernel copy mechanism that avoids frequent
> >>> switches between kernel and user space.  This is especially useful so
> >>> NFSD can support server-side copies.
> >>>
> >>> I make pagecache copies configurable by adding three new (exclusive)
> >>> flags:
> >>> - COPY_FR_REFLINK tells vfs_copy_file_range() to only create a reflink.
> >>> - COPY_FR_COPY does a full data copy, but may be filesystem accelerated.
> >>> - COPY_FR_DEDUP creates a reflink, but only if the contents of both
> >>>   ranges are identical.
> >>
> >> All but FR_COPY really should be a separate system call.  Clones (an
> >> dedup as a special case of clones) are really a separate beast from file
> >> copies.
> >>
> >> If I want to clone a file I either want it clone fully or fail, not copy
> >> a certain amount.  That means that a) we need to return an error not
> >> short "write", and b) locking impementations are important - we need to
> >> prevent other applications from racing with our clone even if it is
> >> large, while to get these semantics for the possible short returning
> >> file copy will require a proper userland locking protocol. Last but not
> >> least file copies need to be interruptible while clones should be not.
> >> All this is already important for local file systems and even more
> >> important for NFS exporting.
> >>
> >> So I'd suggest to drop this patch and just let your syscall handle
> >> actualy copies with all their horrors.  We can go with Peng's patches
> >> to generalize the btrfs ioctls for clones for now which is what everyone
> >> already uses anyway, and then add a separate sys_file_clone later.
> 
> So what I'm hearing is that I should drop the reflink and dedup flags and
> change this system call only perform a full copy (with preserving of
> sparseness), correct?  I can make those changes, but only if everybody is in
> agreement that it's the best way forward.

Sounds fine to me; I'll work on promoting EXTENT_SAME to the VFS.

> The only reason I haven't done anything to make this system call
> interruptible is because I haven't been able to find any documentation or
> examples for making system calls interruptible.  How do I do this?

I thought it was mostly a matter of sprinkling in "if (signal_pending(...))
return -ERESTARTSYS" type things whenever it's convenient to check.  The splice
code already seems to have this, though I'm no expert on what the splice code
actually does. :)

--D
> 
> Anna
> 
> > 
> > Hm.  Peng's patches only generalize the CLONE and CLONE_RANGE ioctls from
> > btrfs, however they don't port over the (vastly different) EXTENT_SAME ioctl.
> > 
> > What does everyone think about generalizing EXTENT_SAME?  The interface enables
> > one to ask the kernel to dedupe multiple file ranges in a single call.  That's
> > more complex than what I was proposing with COPY_FR_DEDUP(E), but I'm assuming
> > that the extra complexity buys us the ability to ... multi-dedupe at the same
> > time, with locks held on the source file?
> > 
> > I'm happy to generalize the existing EXTENT_SAME, but please yell if you really
> > hate the interface.
> > 
> > --D
> > 
> >> --
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From: "Darrick J. Wong" <darrick.wong-QHcLZuEGTsvQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
To: Anna Schumaker <Anna.Schumaker-HgOvQuBEEgTQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Christoph Hellwig <hch-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org>,
	linux-nfs-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	linux-btrfs-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	linux-fsdevel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	linux-api-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	zab-ugsP4Wv/S6ZeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org,
	viro-RmSDqhL/yNMiFSDQTTA3OLVCufUGDwFn@public.gmane.org,
	clm-b10kYP2dOMg@public.gmane.org,
	mtk.manpages-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org,
	andros-HgOvQuBEEgTQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 8/9] vfs: Add vfs_copy_file_range() support for pagecache copies
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2015 11:11:42 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20151014181142.GE11398@birch.djwong.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <561E980C.9010509-ZwjVKphTwtPQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>

On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 01:59:40PM -0400, Anna Schumaker wrote:
> On 10/12/2015 07:17 PM, Darrick J. Wong wrote:
> > On Sun, Oct 11, 2015 at 07:22:03AM -0700, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
> >> On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 01:26:52PM -0400, Anna Schumaker wrote:
> >>> This allows us to have an in-kernel copy mechanism that avoids frequent
> >>> switches between kernel and user space.  This is especially useful so
> >>> NFSD can support server-side copies.
> >>>
> >>> I make pagecache copies configurable by adding three new (exclusive)
> >>> flags:
> >>> - COPY_FR_REFLINK tells vfs_copy_file_range() to only create a reflink.
> >>> - COPY_FR_COPY does a full data copy, but may be filesystem accelerated.
> >>> - COPY_FR_DEDUP creates a reflink, but only if the contents of both
> >>>   ranges are identical.
> >>
> >> All but FR_COPY really should be a separate system call.  Clones (an
> >> dedup as a special case of clones) are really a separate beast from file
> >> copies.
> >>
> >> If I want to clone a file I either want it clone fully or fail, not copy
> >> a certain amount.  That means that a) we need to return an error not
> >> short "write", and b) locking impementations are important - we need to
> >> prevent other applications from racing with our clone even if it is
> >> large, while to get these semantics for the possible short returning
> >> file copy will require a proper userland locking protocol. Last but not
> >> least file copies need to be interruptible while clones should be not.
> >> All this is already important for local file systems and even more
> >> important for NFS exporting.
> >>
> >> So I'd suggest to drop this patch and just let your syscall handle
> >> actualy copies with all their horrors.  We can go with Peng's patches
> >> to generalize the btrfs ioctls for clones for now which is what everyone
> >> already uses anyway, and then add a separate sys_file_clone later.
> 
> So what I'm hearing is that I should drop the reflink and dedup flags and
> change this system call only perform a full copy (with preserving of
> sparseness), correct?  I can make those changes, but only if everybody is in
> agreement that it's the best way forward.

Sounds fine to me; I'll work on promoting EXTENT_SAME to the VFS.

> The only reason I haven't done anything to make this system call
> interruptible is because I haven't been able to find any documentation or
> examples for making system calls interruptible.  How do I do this?

I thought it was mostly a matter of sprinkling in "if (signal_pending(...))
return -ERESTARTSYS" type things whenever it's convenient to check.  The splice
code already seems to have this, though I'm no expert on what the splice code
actually does. :)

--D
> 
> Anna
> 
> > 
> > Hm.  Peng's patches only generalize the CLONE and CLONE_RANGE ioctls from
> > btrfs, however they don't port over the (vastly different) EXTENT_SAME ioctl.
> > 
> > What does everyone think about generalizing EXTENT_SAME?  The interface enables
> > one to ask the kernel to dedupe multiple file ranges in a single call.  That's
> > more complex than what I was proposing with COPY_FR_DEDUP(E), but I'm assuming
> > that the extra complexity buys us the ability to ... multi-dedupe at the same
> > time, with locks held on the source file?
> > 
> > I'm happy to generalize the existing EXTENT_SAME, but please yell if you really
> > hate the interface.
> > 
> > --D
> > 
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2015-10-14 18:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 129+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-09-30 17:26 [PATCH v5 0/9] VFS: In-kernel copy system call Anna Schumaker
2015-09-30 17:26 ` Anna Schumaker
2015-09-30 17:26 ` Anna Schumaker
2015-09-30 17:26 ` [PATCH v5 1/9] vfs: add copy_file_range syscall and vfs helper Anna Schumaker
2015-09-30 17:26   ` Anna Schumaker
2015-09-30 17:26 ` [PATCH v5 2/9] x86: add sys_copy_file_range to syscall tables Anna Schumaker
2015-09-30 17:26   ` Anna Schumaker
2015-09-30 17:26 ` [PATCH v5 3/9] btrfs: add .copy_file_range file operation Anna Schumaker
2015-09-30 17:26   ` Anna Schumaker
2015-09-30 17:26 ` [PATCH v5 4/9] vfs: Copy should check len after file open mode Anna Schumaker
2015-09-30 17:26   ` Anna Schumaker
2015-09-30 17:26   ` Anna Schumaker
2015-10-11 14:22   ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-10-11 14:22     ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-09-30 17:26 ` [PATCH v5 5/9] vfs: Copy shouldn't forbid ranges inside the same file Anna Schumaker
2015-09-30 17:26   ` Anna Schumaker
2015-10-11 14:22   ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-10-14 17:37     ` Anna Schumaker
2015-10-14 17:37       ` Anna Schumaker
2015-10-14 17:37       ` Anna Schumaker
2015-10-14 18:25       ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-10-14 18:27         ` Anna Schumaker
2015-10-14 18:27           ` Anna Schumaker
2015-10-14 18:27           ` Anna Schumaker
2015-09-30 17:26 ` [PATCH v5 6/9] vfs: Copy should use file_out rather than file_in Anna Schumaker
2015-09-30 17:26   ` Anna Schumaker
2015-10-11 14:24   ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-09-30 17:26 ` [PATCH v5 7/9] vfs: Remove copy_file_range mountpoint checks Anna Schumaker
2015-09-30 17:26   ` Anna Schumaker
2015-10-11 14:23   ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-10-14 17:41     ` Anna Schumaker
2015-10-14 17:41       ` Anna Schumaker
2015-10-14 18:25       ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-10-14 18:25         ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-09-30 17:26 ` [PATCH v5 8/9] vfs: Add vfs_copy_file_range() support for pagecache copies Anna Schumaker
2015-09-30 17:26   ` Anna Schumaker
2015-09-30 17:26   ` Anna Schumaker
2015-10-08  1:40   ` Neil Brown
2015-10-09 11:15     ` Pádraig Brady
2015-10-09 11:15       ` Pádraig Brady
2015-10-13 20:25       ` Anna Schumaker
2015-10-13 20:25         ` Anna Schumaker
2015-10-14  7:41         ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-10-14  7:41           ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-10-13 19:45     ` Anna Schumaker
2015-10-13 19:45       ` Anna Schumaker
2015-10-13 19:45       ` Anna Schumaker
2015-10-11 14:22   ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-10-11 14:22     ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-10-12 23:17     ` Darrick J. Wong
2015-10-12 23:17       ` Darrick J. Wong
2015-10-13  3:36       ` Trond Myklebust
2015-10-13  7:19         ` Darrick J. Wong
2015-10-13  7:19           ` Darrick J. Wong
2015-10-13  7:30         ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-10-13  7:30           ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-10-13  7:27       ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-10-13  7:27         ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-11-10  6:24         ` Darrick J. Wong
2015-10-14 17:59       ` Anna Schumaker
2015-10-14 17:59         ` Anna Schumaker
2015-10-14 17:59         ` Anna Schumaker
2015-10-14 18:08         ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-10-14 18:27           ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-10-14 18:38             ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-10-14 18:38               ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-10-14 18:49               ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-10-14 18:49                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-10-14 18:53                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-10-14 19:14                   ` Austin S Hemmelgarn
2015-10-14 19:14                     ` Austin S Hemmelgarn
2015-10-14 19:39                     ` Pádraig Brady
2015-10-14 19:39                       ` Pádraig Brady
2015-10-15  5:56                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-10-15  5:56                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-10-14 19:08             ` Austin S Hemmelgarn
2015-10-14 19:08               ` Austin S Hemmelgarn
2015-10-15  6:36               ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-10-15  6:36                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-10-15 12:24                 ` Austin S Hemmelgarn
2015-10-15 12:24                   ` Austin S Hemmelgarn
2015-10-16  5:38                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-10-16  5:38                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-10-16 11:46                     ` Austin S Hemmelgarn
2015-10-16 12:02                       ` Pádraig Brady
2015-10-16 12:02                         ` Pádraig Brady
2015-10-16 12:24                         ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-10-16 12:24                           ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-10-16 12:46                           ` Austin S Hemmelgarn
2015-10-16 12:46                             ` Austin S Hemmelgarn
2015-10-16 12:21                       ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-10-16 12:21                         ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-10-16 12:50                         ` Austin S Hemmelgarn
2015-10-16 13:12                           ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-10-16 14:11                             ` Austin S Hemmelgarn
2015-10-14 18:11         ` Darrick J. Wong [this message]
2015-10-14 18:11           ` Darrick J. Wong
2015-10-14 18:26           ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-09-30 17:26 ` [PATCH v5 9/9] btrfs: btrfs_copy_file_range() only supports reflinks Anna Schumaker
2015-09-30 17:26   ` Anna Schumaker
2015-10-11 14:29   ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-10-11 14:29     ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-10-12 10:23     ` Pádraig Brady
2015-10-12 10:23       ` Pádraig Brady
2015-10-12 14:34       ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-10-12 23:41         ` Darrick J. Wong
2015-10-12 23:41           ` Darrick J. Wong
2015-10-13  7:29           ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-10-13  7:29             ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-10-14 18:46             ` Darrick J. Wong
2015-10-14 18:46               ` Darrick J. Wong
2015-10-15  6:00               ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-10-16 11:49                 ` Chris Mason
2015-10-16 11:49                   ` Chris Mason
2015-10-16 11:49                   ` Chris Mason
2015-10-16 12:25                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-10-16 12:25                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-10-16 13:19                     ` Chris Mason
2015-10-16 13:19                       ` Chris Mason
2015-10-16 13:19                       ` Chris Mason
2015-10-16 21:44                       ` Dave Chinner
2015-10-17 13:44                         ` Chris Mason
2015-10-17 13:44                           ` Chris Mason
2015-10-17 13:44                           ` Chris Mason
2015-10-15  8:35               ` Dave Chinner
2015-10-15  8:35                 ` Dave Chinner
2015-09-30 17:26 ` [PATCH v5 10/9] copy_file_range.2: New page documenting copy_file_range() Anna Schumaker
2015-09-30 17:26   ` Anna Schumaker
2015-09-30 17:26   ` Anna Schumaker

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