From: "Pádraig Brady" <P@draigBrady.com> To: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>, Anna Schumaker <Anna.Schumaker@netapp.com> Cc: linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org, linux-btrfs@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-api@vger.kernel.org, zab@zabbo.net, viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk, clm@fb.com, darrick.wong@oracle.com, mtk.manpages@gmail.com, andros@netapp.com Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 9/9] btrfs: btrfs_copy_file_range() only supports reflinks Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2015 11:23:05 +0100 [thread overview] Message-ID: <561B8A09.5070507@draigBrady.com> (raw) In-Reply-To: <20151011142939.GA30905@infradead.org> On 11/10/15 15:29, Christoph Hellwig wrote: > On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 01:26:53PM -0400, Anna Schumaker wrote: >> Reject copies that don't have the COPY_FR_REFLINK flag set. > > I think a reflink actually is a perfectly valid copy, and I don't buy > the duplicate arguments in earlier threads. We really need to think > more in terms of how this impacts a user and now how it's implemented > internally. How does a user notice it's a reflink? They don't as > implemented in btrfs and co. You're right that if the user doesn't notice, then there is no point exposing this. However I think the user does notice as there is a difference in the end state of the copy. I.E. generally if there is a different end state it would require an option, while if only a different copying mechanism it would not. I think the different end state of a reflink warrants an option for 3 reasons: - The user might want separate bits for resiliency. Now this is a weak argument due to possible deduplication in lower layers, but still valid is some setups. - The user might want to avoid CoW at a later time critical stage. - The user might want to avoid ENOSPC at a later critical stage. > Now on filesystem that don't always do > copy on write but might support reflinks (ocfs2, XFS in the future) > this becomes a bit more interesting - the difference he is that we > get an implicit fallocate when doing a real copy. But if that's > something we have actual requests for that's how we should specify > it rather than in terms of arcane implementation details. thanks, Pádraig.
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From: "Pádraig Brady" <P@draigBrady.com> To: Christoph Hellwig <hch-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org>, Anna Schumaker <Anna.Schumaker-HgOvQuBEEgTQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> Cc: linux-nfs-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org, linux-btrfs-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org, linux-fsdevel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org, linux-api-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org, zab-ugsP4Wv/S6ZeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org, viro-RmSDqhL/yNMiFSDQTTA3OLVCufUGDwFn@public.gmane.org, clm-b10kYP2dOMg@public.gmane.org, darrick.wong-QHcLZuEGTsvQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org, mtk.manpages-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org, andros-HgOvQuBEEgTQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 9/9] btrfs: btrfs_copy_file_range() only supports reflinks Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2015 11:23:05 +0100 [thread overview] Message-ID: <561B8A09.5070507@draigBrady.com> (raw) In-Reply-To: <20151011142939.GA30905-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org> On 11/10/15 15:29, Christoph Hellwig wrote: > On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 01:26:53PM -0400, Anna Schumaker wrote: >> Reject copies that don't have the COPY_FR_REFLINK flag set. > > I think a reflink actually is a perfectly valid copy, and I don't buy > the duplicate arguments in earlier threads. We really need to think > more in terms of how this impacts a user and now how it's implemented > internally. How does a user notice it's a reflink? They don't as > implemented in btrfs and co. You're right that if the user doesn't notice, then there is no point exposing this. However I think the user does notice as there is a difference in the end state of the copy. I.E. generally if there is a different end state it would require an option, while if only a different copying mechanism it would not. I think the different end state of a reflink warrants an option for 3 reasons: - The user might want separate bits for resiliency. Now this is a weak argument due to possible deduplication in lower layers, but still valid is some setups. - The user might want to avoid CoW at a later time critical stage. - The user might want to avoid ENOSPC at a later critical stage. > Now on filesystem that don't always do > copy on write but might support reflinks (ocfs2, XFS in the future) > this becomes a bit more interesting - the difference he is that we > get an implicit fallocate when doing a real copy. But if that's > something we have actual requests for that's how we should specify > it rather than in terms of arcane implementation details. thanks, Pádraig.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2015-10-12 10:23 UTC|newest] Thread overview: 129+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top 2015-09-30 17:26 [PATCH v5 0/9] VFS: In-kernel copy system call Anna Schumaker 2015-09-30 17:26 ` Anna Schumaker 2015-09-30 17:26 ` Anna Schumaker 2015-09-30 17:26 ` [PATCH v5 1/9] vfs: add copy_file_range syscall and vfs helper Anna Schumaker 2015-09-30 17:26 ` Anna Schumaker 2015-09-30 17:26 ` [PATCH v5 2/9] x86: add sys_copy_file_range to syscall tables Anna Schumaker 2015-09-30 17:26 ` Anna Schumaker 2015-09-30 17:26 ` [PATCH v5 3/9] btrfs: add .copy_file_range file operation Anna Schumaker 2015-09-30 17:26 ` Anna Schumaker 2015-09-30 17:26 ` [PATCH v5 4/9] vfs: Copy should check len after file open mode Anna Schumaker 2015-09-30 17:26 ` Anna Schumaker 2015-09-30 17:26 ` Anna Schumaker 2015-10-11 14:22 ` Christoph Hellwig 2015-10-11 14:22 ` Christoph Hellwig 2015-09-30 17:26 ` [PATCH v5 5/9] vfs: Copy shouldn't forbid ranges inside the same file Anna Schumaker 2015-09-30 17:26 ` Anna Schumaker 2015-10-11 14:22 ` Christoph Hellwig 2015-10-14 17:37 ` Anna Schumaker 2015-10-14 17:37 ` Anna Schumaker 2015-10-14 17:37 ` Anna Schumaker 2015-10-14 18:25 ` Christoph Hellwig 2015-10-14 18:27 ` Anna Schumaker 2015-10-14 18:27 ` Anna Schumaker 2015-10-14 18:27 ` Anna Schumaker 2015-09-30 17:26 ` [PATCH v5 6/9] vfs: Copy should use file_out rather than file_in Anna Schumaker 2015-09-30 17:26 ` Anna Schumaker 2015-10-11 14:24 ` Christoph Hellwig 2015-09-30 17:26 ` [PATCH v5 7/9] vfs: Remove copy_file_range mountpoint checks Anna Schumaker 2015-09-30 17:26 ` Anna Schumaker 2015-10-11 14:23 ` Christoph Hellwig 2015-10-14 17:41 ` Anna Schumaker 2015-10-14 17:41 ` Anna Schumaker 2015-10-14 18:25 ` Christoph Hellwig 2015-10-14 18:25 ` Christoph Hellwig 2015-09-30 17:26 ` [PATCH v5 8/9] vfs: Add vfs_copy_file_range() support for pagecache copies Anna Schumaker 2015-09-30 17:26 ` Anna Schumaker 2015-09-30 17:26 ` Anna Schumaker 2015-10-08 1:40 ` Neil Brown 2015-10-09 11:15 ` Pádraig Brady 2015-10-09 11:15 ` Pádraig Brady 2015-10-13 20:25 ` Anna Schumaker 2015-10-13 20:25 ` Anna Schumaker 2015-10-14 7:41 ` Christoph Hellwig 2015-10-14 7:41 ` Christoph Hellwig 2015-10-13 19:45 ` Anna Schumaker 2015-10-13 19:45 ` Anna Schumaker 2015-10-13 19:45 ` Anna Schumaker 2015-10-11 14:22 ` Christoph Hellwig 2015-10-11 14:22 ` Christoph Hellwig 2015-10-12 23:17 ` Darrick J. Wong 2015-10-12 23:17 ` Darrick J. Wong 2015-10-13 3:36 ` Trond Myklebust 2015-10-13 7:19 ` Darrick J. Wong 2015-10-13 7:19 ` Darrick J. Wong 2015-10-13 7:30 ` Christoph Hellwig 2015-10-13 7:30 ` Christoph Hellwig 2015-10-13 7:27 ` Christoph Hellwig 2015-10-13 7:27 ` Christoph Hellwig 2015-11-10 6:24 ` Darrick J. Wong 2015-10-14 17:59 ` Anna Schumaker 2015-10-14 17:59 ` Anna Schumaker 2015-10-14 17:59 ` Anna Schumaker 2015-10-14 18:08 ` Andy Lutomirski 2015-10-14 18:27 ` Christoph Hellwig 2015-10-14 18:38 ` Andy Lutomirski 2015-10-14 18:38 ` Andy Lutomirski 2015-10-14 18:49 ` Christoph Hellwig 2015-10-14 18:49 ` Christoph Hellwig 2015-10-14 18:53 ` Andy Lutomirski 2015-10-14 19:14 ` Austin S Hemmelgarn 2015-10-14 19:14 ` Austin S Hemmelgarn 2015-10-14 19:39 ` Pádraig Brady 2015-10-14 19:39 ` Pádraig Brady 2015-10-15 5:56 ` Christoph Hellwig 2015-10-15 5:56 ` Christoph Hellwig 2015-10-14 19:08 ` Austin S Hemmelgarn 2015-10-14 19:08 ` Austin S Hemmelgarn 2015-10-15 6:36 ` Christoph Hellwig 2015-10-15 6:36 ` Christoph Hellwig 2015-10-15 12:24 ` Austin S Hemmelgarn 2015-10-15 12:24 ` Austin S Hemmelgarn 2015-10-16 5:38 ` Christoph Hellwig 2015-10-16 5:38 ` Christoph Hellwig 2015-10-16 11:46 ` Austin S Hemmelgarn 2015-10-16 12:02 ` Pádraig Brady 2015-10-16 12:02 ` Pádraig Brady 2015-10-16 12:24 ` Christoph Hellwig 2015-10-16 12:24 ` Christoph Hellwig 2015-10-16 12:46 ` Austin S Hemmelgarn 2015-10-16 12:46 ` Austin S Hemmelgarn 2015-10-16 12:21 ` Christoph Hellwig 2015-10-16 12:21 ` Christoph Hellwig 2015-10-16 12:50 ` Austin S Hemmelgarn 2015-10-16 13:12 ` Christoph Hellwig 2015-10-16 14:11 ` Austin S Hemmelgarn 2015-10-14 18:11 ` Darrick J. Wong 2015-10-14 18:11 ` Darrick J. Wong 2015-10-14 18:26 ` Andy Lutomirski 2015-09-30 17:26 ` [PATCH v5 9/9] btrfs: btrfs_copy_file_range() only supports reflinks Anna Schumaker 2015-09-30 17:26 ` Anna Schumaker 2015-10-11 14:29 ` Christoph Hellwig 2015-10-11 14:29 ` Christoph Hellwig 2015-10-12 10:23 ` Pádraig Brady [this message] 2015-10-12 10:23 ` Pádraig Brady 2015-10-12 14:34 ` Christoph Hellwig 2015-10-12 23:41 ` Darrick J. Wong 2015-10-12 23:41 ` Darrick J. Wong 2015-10-13 7:29 ` Christoph Hellwig 2015-10-13 7:29 ` Christoph Hellwig 2015-10-14 18:46 ` Darrick J. Wong 2015-10-14 18:46 ` Darrick J. Wong 2015-10-15 6:00 ` Christoph Hellwig 2015-10-16 11:49 ` Chris Mason 2015-10-16 11:49 ` Chris Mason 2015-10-16 11:49 ` Chris Mason 2015-10-16 12:25 ` Christoph Hellwig 2015-10-16 12:25 ` Christoph Hellwig 2015-10-16 13:19 ` Chris Mason 2015-10-16 13:19 ` Chris Mason 2015-10-16 13:19 ` Chris Mason 2015-10-16 21:44 ` Dave Chinner 2015-10-17 13:44 ` Chris Mason 2015-10-17 13:44 ` Chris Mason 2015-10-17 13:44 ` Chris Mason 2015-10-15 8:35 ` Dave Chinner 2015-10-15 8:35 ` Dave Chinner 2015-09-30 17:26 ` [PATCH v5 10/9] copy_file_range.2: New page documenting copy_file_range() Anna Schumaker 2015-09-30 17:26 ` Anna Schumaker 2015-09-30 17:26 ` Anna Schumaker
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