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From: Dan Carpenter <dan.carpenter@oracle.com>
To: Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>
Cc: "Geert Uytterhoeven" <geert@linux-m68k.org>,
	"SF Markus Elfring" <elfring@users.sourceforge.net>,
	"USB list" <linux-usb@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Joe Perches" <joe@perches.com>,
	"Daniel Drake" <drake@endlessm.com>,
	"Dmitry Fleytman" <dmitry@daynix.com>,
	"Eugene Korenevsky" <ekorenevsky@gmail.com>,
	"Greg Kroah-Hartman" <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	"Günter Röck" <linux@roeck-us.net>,
	"Johan Hovold" <johan@kernel.org>,
	"Mathias Nyman" <mathias.nyman@linux.intel.com>,
	"Peter Chen" <peter.chen@nxp.com>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"kernel-janitors@vger.kernel.org"
	<kernel-janitors@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: USB: hub: Delete an error message for a failed memory allocation in usb_hub_clear_tt_buffer()
Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2017 23:51:56 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20171207204953.5gsk26pk4b5xaizq@mwanda> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44L0.1712071000560.1361-100000@iolanthe.rowland.org>

On Thu, Dec 07, 2017 at 10:12:27AM -0500, Alan Stern wrote:
> The real problem is that the kernel development community doesn't have
> a fixed policy on how to handle memory allocation errors.  There are
> several possibilities:
> 
> 	Ignore them on the grounds that they will never happen.
> 	(Really?  And what is the size limit above which they
> 	might happen?)
> 

It's pretty rare to ignore allocation failures these days.  It causes
static checker warnings.

Sometimes it's accepted for people to ignore errors during boot but
I hate that because how am I supposed to filter out those static checker
warnings?  It's better to pretend that the kernel will still boot
without essential hardware instead of wasting everyone's time who looks
at checker output.

> 	Ignore them on the grounds that the machine will hang or
> 	crash in the near future.  (Is this guaranteed?)

On boot sometimes yes.

> 
> 	Treat them like other errors: try to press forward (perhaps
> 	in a degraded mode).
> 
> 	Treat them like other errors: log an error message and try
> 	to press forward.
> 

The standard is to treat them like errors and try press forward in a
degraded mode but don't print a message.  Checkpatch.pl complains if you
print a warning for allocation failures.  A lot of low level functions
handle their own messages pretty well but especially kmalloc() does.

I also have a special static checker warning for when people do:

	foo = alloc();
	BUG_ON(!foo);

People do that occasionally but fortunately it's pretty rare.  10 years
ago that's how btrfs did error handling, but now there are only 4 of
these still remaining in btrfs.

regards,
dan carpenter

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Dan Carpenter <dan.carpenter@oracle.com>
To: Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>
Cc: "Geert Uytterhoeven" <geert@linux-m68k.org>,
	"SF Markus Elfring" <elfring@users.sourceforge.net>,
	"USB list" <linux-usb@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Joe Perches" <joe@perches.com>,
	"Daniel Drake" <drake@endlessm.com>,
	"Dmitry Fleytman" <dmitry@daynix.com>,
	"Eugene Korenevsky" <ekorenevsky@gmail.com>,
	"Greg Kroah-Hartman" <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	"Günter Röck" <linux@roeck-us.net>,
	"Johan Hovold" <johan@kernel.org>,
	"Mathias Nyman" <mathias.nyman@linux.intel.com>,
	"Peter Chen" <peter.chen@nxp.com>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"kernel-janitors@vger.kernel.org"
	<kernel-janitors@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: USB: hub: Delete an error message for a failed memory allocation in usb_hub_clear_tt_buffer()
Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2017 20:51:56 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20171207204953.5gsk26pk4b5xaizq@mwanda> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <97b0eeb8-834e-61ca-01dd-afbbf18697db@users.sourceforge.net>

On Thu, Dec 07, 2017 at 10:12:27AM -0500, Alan Stern wrote:
> The real problem is that the kernel development community doesn't have
> a fixed policy on how to handle memory allocation errors.  There are
> several possibilities:
> 
> 	Ignore them on the grounds that they will never happen.
> 	(Really?  And what is the size limit above which they
> 	might happen?)
> 

It's pretty rare to ignore allocation failures these days.  It causes
static checker warnings.

Sometimes it's accepted for people to ignore errors during boot but
I hate that because how am I supposed to filter out those static checker
warnings?  It's better to pretend that the kernel will still boot
without essential hardware instead of wasting everyone's time who looks
at checker output.

> 	Ignore them on the grounds that the machine will hang or
> 	crash in the near future.  (Is this guaranteed?)

On boot sometimes yes.

> 
> 	Treat them like other errors: try to press forward (perhaps
> 	in a degraded mode).
> 
> 	Treat them like other errors: log an error message and try
> 	to press forward.
> 

The standard is to treat them like errors and try press forward in a
degraded mode but don't print a message.  Checkpatch.pl complains if you
print a warning for allocation failures.  A lot of low level functions
handle their own messages pretty well but especially kmalloc() does.

I also have a special static checker warning for when people do:

	foo = alloc();
	BUG_ON(!foo);

People do that occasionally but fortunately it's pretty rare.  10 years
ago that's how btrfs did error handling, but now there are only 4 of
these still remaining in btrfs.

regards,
dan carpenter


WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Dan Carpenter <dan.carpenter@oracle.com>
To: Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>
Cc: "Geert Uytterhoeven" <geert@linux-m68k.org>,
	"SF Markus Elfring" <elfring@users.sourceforge.net>,
	"USB list" <linux-usb@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Joe Perches" <joe@perches.com>,
	"Daniel Drake" <drake@endlessm.com>,
	"Dmitry Fleytman" <dmitry@daynix.com>,
	"Eugene Korenevsky" <ekorenevsky@gmail.com>,
	"Greg Kroah-Hartman" <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	"Günter Röck" <linux@roeck-us.net>,
	"Johan Hovold" <johan@kernel.org>,
	"Mathias Nyman" <mathias.nyman@linux.intel.com>,
	"Peter Chen" <peter.chen@nxp.com>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"kernel-janitors@vger.kernel.org"
	<kernel-janitors@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: USB: hub: Delete an error message for a failed memory allocation in usb_hub_clear_tt_buffer()
Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2017 23:51:56 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20171207204953.5gsk26pk4b5xaizq@mwanda> (raw)

On Thu, Dec 07, 2017 at 10:12:27AM -0500, Alan Stern wrote:
> The real problem is that the kernel development community doesn't have
> a fixed policy on how to handle memory allocation errors.  There are
> several possibilities:
> 
> 	Ignore them on the grounds that they will never happen.
> 	(Really?  And what is the size limit above which they
> 	might happen?)
> 

It's pretty rare to ignore allocation failures these days.  It causes
static checker warnings.

Sometimes it's accepted for people to ignore errors during boot but
I hate that because how am I supposed to filter out those static checker
warnings?  It's better to pretend that the kernel will still boot
without essential hardware instead of wasting everyone's time who looks
at checker output.

> 	Ignore them on the grounds that the machine will hang or
> 	crash in the near future.  (Is this guaranteed?)

On boot sometimes yes.

> 
> 	Treat them like other errors: try to press forward (perhaps
> 	in a degraded mode).
> 
> 	Treat them like other errors: log an error message and try
> 	to press forward.
> 

The standard is to treat them like errors and try press forward in a
degraded mode but don't print a message.  Checkpatch.pl complains if you
print a warning for allocation failures.  A lot of low level functions
handle their own messages pretty well but especially kmalloc() does.

I also have a special static checker warning for when people do:

	foo = alloc();
	BUG_ON(!foo);

People do that occasionally but fortunately it's pretty rare.  10 years
ago that's how btrfs did error handling, but now there are only 4 of
these still remaining in btrfs.

regards,
dan carpenter
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2017-12-07 21:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 75+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-12-06 16:13 [PATCH] USB: hub: Delete an error message for a failed memory allocation in usb_hub_clear_tt_buffer() SF Markus Elfring
2017-12-06 16:13 ` SF Markus Elfring
2017-12-06 16:13 ` [PATCH] USB: hub: Delete an error message for a failed memory allocation in usb_hub_clear_tt_buffer( SF Markus Elfring
2017-12-06 16:45 ` [PATCH] USB: hub: Delete an error message for a failed memory allocation in usb_hub_clear_tt_buffer() Alan Stern
2017-12-06 16:45   ` Alan Stern
2017-12-06 16:45   ` [PATCH] USB: hub: Delete an error message for a failed memory allocation in usb_hub_clear_tt_buf Alan Stern
2017-12-06 16:57   ` [PATCH] USB: hub: Delete an error message for a failed memory allocation in usb_hub_clear_tt_buffer() Greg Kroah-Hartman
2017-12-06 16:57     ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2017-12-06 16:57     ` [PATCH] USB: hub: Delete an error message for a failed memory allocation in usb_hub_clear_tt_buf Greg Kroah-Hartman
2017-12-06 17:27   ` [PATCH] USB: hub: Delete an error message for a failed memory allocation in usb_hub_clear_tt_buffer() Geert Uytterhoeven
2017-12-06 17:27     ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2017-12-06 17:27     ` [PATCH] USB: hub: Delete an error message for a failed memory allocation in usb_hub_clear_tt_buf Geert Uytterhoeven
2017-12-06 17:51     ` USB: hub: Delete an error message for a failed memory allocation in usb_hub_clear_tt_buffer() SF Markus Elfring
2017-12-06 17:51       ` SF Markus Elfring
2017-12-06 17:51       ` SF Markus Elfring
2017-12-06 20:20       ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2017-12-06 20:20         ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2017-12-06 20:20         ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2017-12-08 11:11         ` Dan Carpenter
2017-12-08 11:11           ` Dan Carpenter
2017-12-08 11:11           ` Dan Carpenter
2017-12-08 12:00           ` USB: hub: Checking communication difficulties SF Markus Elfring
2017-12-08 12:00             ` USB: hub: Delete an error message for a failed memory allocation in usb_hub_clear_tt_buffer() SF Markus Elfring
2017-12-08 12:00             ` USB: hub: Checking communication difficulties SF Markus Elfring
2017-12-06 20:05   ` [PATCH] USB: hub: Delete an error message for a failed memory allocation in usb_hub_clear_tt_buffer() Joe Perches
2017-12-06 20:05     ` Joe Perches
2017-12-06 20:05     ` [PATCH] USB: hub: Delete an error message for a failed memory allocation in usb_hub_clear_tt_buf Joe Perches
2017-12-06 21:18     ` [PATCH] USB: hub: Delete an error message for a failed memory allocation in usb_hub_clear_tt_buffer() Alan Stern
2017-12-06 21:18       ` Alan Stern
2017-12-06 21:18       ` [PATCH] USB: hub: Delete an error message for a failed memory allocation in usb_hub_clear_tt_buf Alan Stern
2017-12-06 21:33       ` USB: hub: Delete an error message for a failed memory allocation in usb_hub_clear_tt_buffer() SF Markus Elfring
2017-12-06 21:33         ` SF Markus Elfring
2017-12-06 21:33         ` SF Markus Elfring
2017-12-06 22:02         ` Alan Stern
2017-12-06 22:02           ` Alan Stern
2017-12-06 22:02           ` Alan Stern
2017-12-07  7:40           ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2017-12-07  7:40             ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2017-12-07  7:40             ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2017-12-07  8:35             ` Dan Carpenter
2017-12-07  8:35               ` Dan Carpenter
2017-12-07  8:35               ` Dan Carpenter
2017-12-07  8:45               ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2017-12-07  8:45                 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2017-12-07  8:45                 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2017-12-07  8:56                 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2017-12-07  8:56                   ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2017-12-07  8:56                   ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2017-12-07  9:17                   ` Oliver Neukum
2017-12-07  9:17                     ` Oliver Neukum
2017-12-07  9:17                     ` Oliver Neukum
2017-12-07  9:30                 ` Dan Carpenter
2017-12-07  9:30                   ` Dan Carpenter
2017-12-07  9:30                   ` Dan Carpenter
2017-12-07 15:12             ` Alan Stern
2017-12-07 15:12               ` Alan Stern
2017-12-07 15:12               ` Alan Stern
2017-12-07 16:20               ` Joe Perches
2017-12-07 16:20                 ` Joe Perches
2017-12-07 16:20                 ` Joe Perches
2017-12-07 20:51               ` Dan Carpenter [this message]
2017-12-07 20:51                 ` Dan Carpenter
2017-12-07 20:51                 ` Dan Carpenter
2017-12-07 21:26                 ` Alan Stern
2017-12-07 21:26                   ` Alan Stern
2017-12-07 21:26                   ` Alan Stern
2017-12-08  7:43                   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2017-12-08  7:43                     ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2017-12-08  7:43                     ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2017-12-08 17:42                     ` Alan Stern
2017-12-08 17:42                       ` Alan Stern
2017-12-08 17:42                       ` Alan Stern
2017-12-07 13:38           ` SF Markus Elfring
2017-12-07 13:38             ` SF Markus Elfring
2017-12-07 13:38             ` SF Markus Elfring

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