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From: Geert Uytterhoeven <geert@linux-m68k.org>
To: Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>
Cc: "SF Markus Elfring" <elfring@users.sourceforge.net>,
	"USB list" <linux-usb@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Joe Perches" <joe@perches.com>,
	"Daniel Drake" <drake@endlessm.com>,
	"Dmitry Fleytman" <dmitry@daynix.com>,
	"Eugene Korenevsky" <ekorenevsky@gmail.com>,
	"Greg Kroah-Hartman" <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	"Günter Röck" <linux@roeck-us.net>,
	"Johan Hovold" <johan@kernel.org>,
	"Mathias Nyman" <mathias.nyman@linux.intel.com>,
	"Peter Chen" <peter.chen@nxp.com>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"kernel-janitors@vger.kernel.org"
	<kernel-janitors@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: USB: hub: Delete an error message for a failed memory allocation in usb_hub_clear_tt_buffer()
Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2017 08:40:07 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAMuHMdWAzqvh_=UEiYtCdFYvcwoRVLvO9rq8MqwCqjgSz-fm7g@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44L0.1712061700550.1507-100000@iolanthe.rowland.org>

Hi Alan,

On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 11:02 PM, Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu> wrote:
> On Wed, 6 Dec 2017, SF Markus Elfring wrote:
>> >>> Does the existing memory allocation error message include the
>> >>> &udev->dev device name and driver name?  If it doesn't, there will be
>> >>> no way for the user to tell that the error message is related to the
>> >>> device failure.
>> >>
>> >> No, but the effect is similar.
>> >>
>> >> OOM does a dump_stack() so this function's call tree is shown.
>> >
>> > A call stack doesn't tell you which device was being handled.
>>
>> Do you find a default Linux allocation failure report insufficient then?
>>
>> Would you like to to achieve that the requested information can be determined
>> from a backtrace?
>
> It is not practical to do this.  The memory allocation routines do not
> for what purpose the memory is being allocated; hence when a failure
> occurs they cannot tell what device (or other part of the system) will
> be affected.

If even allocation of 24 bytes fails, lots of other devices and other parts of
the system will start failing really soon...

> That's why we have a secondary error message.

... and the secondary error message would still be useless.

Gr{oetje,eeting}s,

                        Geert

--
Geert Uytterhoeven -- There's lots of Linux beyond ia32 -- geert@linux-m68k.org

In personal conversations with technical people, I call myself a hacker. But
when I'm talking to journalists I just say "programmer" or something like that.
                                -- Linus Torvalds

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From: Geert Uytterhoeven <geert@linux-m68k.org>
To: Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>
Cc: "SF Markus Elfring" <elfring@users.sourceforge.net>,
	"USB list" <linux-usb@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Joe Perches" <joe@perches.com>,
	"Daniel Drake" <drake@endlessm.com>,
	"Dmitry Fleytman" <dmitry@daynix.com>,
	"Eugene Korenevsky" <ekorenevsky@gmail.com>,
	"Greg Kroah-Hartman" <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	"Günter Röck" <linux@roeck-us.net>,
	"Johan Hovold" <johan@kernel.org>,
	"Mathias Nyman" <mathias.nyman@linux.intel.com>,
	"Peter Chen" <peter.chen@nxp.com>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"kernel-janitors@vger.kernel.org"
	<kernel-janitors@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: USB: hub: Delete an error message for a failed memory allocation in usb_hub_clear_tt_buffer()
Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2017 07:40:07 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAMuHMdWAzqvh_=UEiYtCdFYvcwoRVLvO9rq8MqwCqjgSz-fm7g@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <97b0eeb8-834e-61ca-01dd-afbbf18697db@users.sourceforge.net>

Hi Alan,

On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 11:02 PM, Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu> wrote:
> On Wed, 6 Dec 2017, SF Markus Elfring wrote:
>> >>> Does the existing memory allocation error message include the
>> >>> &udev->dev device name and driver name?  If it doesn't, there will be
>> >>> no way for the user to tell that the error message is related to the
>> >>> device failure.
>> >>
>> >> No, but the effect is similar.
>> >>
>> >> OOM does a dump_stack() so this function's call tree is shown.
>> >
>> > A call stack doesn't tell you which device was being handled.
>>
>> Do you find a default Linux allocation failure report insufficient then?
>>
>> Would you like to to achieve that the requested information can be determined
>> from a backtrace?
>
> It is not practical to do this.  The memory allocation routines do not
> for what purpose the memory is being allocated; hence when a failure
> occurs they cannot tell what device (or other part of the system) will
> be affected.

If even allocation of 24 bytes fails, lots of other devices and other parts of
the system will start failing really soon...

> That's why we have a secondary error message.

... and the secondary error message would still be useless.

Gr{oetje,eeting}s,

                        Geert

--
Geert Uytterhoeven -- There's lots of Linux beyond ia32 -- geert@linux-m68k.org

In personal conversations with technical people, I call myself a hacker. But
when I'm talking to journalists I just say "programmer" or something like that.
                                -- Linus Torvalds

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From: Geert Uytterhoeven <geert@linux-m68k.org>
To: Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>
Cc: "SF Markus Elfring" <elfring@users.sourceforge.net>,
	"USB list" <linux-usb@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Joe Perches" <joe@perches.com>,
	"Daniel Drake" <drake@endlessm.com>,
	"Dmitry Fleytman" <dmitry@daynix.com>,
	"Eugene Korenevsky" <ekorenevsky@gmail.com>,
	"Greg Kroah-Hartman" <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	"Günter Röck" <linux@roeck-us.net>,
	"Johan Hovold" <johan@kernel.org>,
	"Mathias Nyman" <mathias.nyman@linux.intel.com>,
	"Peter Chen" <peter.chen@nxp.com>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"kernel-janitors@vger.kernel.org"
	<kernel-janitors@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: USB: hub: Delete an error message for a failed memory allocation in usb_hub_clear_tt_buffer()
Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2017 08:40:07 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAMuHMdWAzqvh_=UEiYtCdFYvcwoRVLvO9rq8MqwCqjgSz-fm7g@mail.gmail.com> (raw)

Hi Alan,

On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 11:02 PM, Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu> wrote:
> On Wed, 6 Dec 2017, SF Markus Elfring wrote:
>> >>> Does the existing memory allocation error message include the
>> >>> &udev->dev device name and driver name?  If it doesn't, there will be
>> >>> no way for the user to tell that the error message is related to the
>> >>> device failure.
>> >>
>> >> No, but the effect is similar.
>> >>
>> >> OOM does a dump_stack() so this function's call tree is shown.
>> >
>> > A call stack doesn't tell you which device was being handled.
>>
>> Do you find a default Linux allocation failure report insufficient then?
>>
>> Would you like to to achieve that the requested information can be determined
>> from a backtrace?
>
> It is not practical to do this.  The memory allocation routines do not
> for what purpose the memory is being allocated; hence when a failure
> occurs they cannot tell what device (or other part of the system) will
> be affected.

If even allocation of 24 bytes fails, lots of other devices and other parts of
the system will start failing really soon...

> That's why we have a secondary error message.

... and the secondary error message would still be useless.

Gr{oetje,eeting}s,

                        Geert
---
Geert Uytterhoeven -- There's lots of Linux beyond ia32 -- geert@linux-m68k.org

In personal conversations with technical people, I call myself a hacker. But
when I'm talking to journalists I just say "programmer" or something like that.
                                -- Linus Torvalds
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  reply	other threads:[~2017-12-07  7:40 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 75+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-12-06 16:13 [PATCH] USB: hub: Delete an error message for a failed memory allocation in usb_hub_clear_tt_buffer() SF Markus Elfring
2017-12-06 16:13 ` SF Markus Elfring
2017-12-06 16:13 ` [PATCH] USB: hub: Delete an error message for a failed memory allocation in usb_hub_clear_tt_buffer( SF Markus Elfring
2017-12-06 16:45 ` [PATCH] USB: hub: Delete an error message for a failed memory allocation in usb_hub_clear_tt_buffer() Alan Stern
2017-12-06 16:45   ` Alan Stern
2017-12-06 16:45   ` [PATCH] USB: hub: Delete an error message for a failed memory allocation in usb_hub_clear_tt_buf Alan Stern
2017-12-06 16:57   ` [PATCH] USB: hub: Delete an error message for a failed memory allocation in usb_hub_clear_tt_buffer() Greg Kroah-Hartman
2017-12-06 16:57     ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2017-12-06 16:57     ` [PATCH] USB: hub: Delete an error message for a failed memory allocation in usb_hub_clear_tt_buf Greg Kroah-Hartman
2017-12-06 17:27   ` [PATCH] USB: hub: Delete an error message for a failed memory allocation in usb_hub_clear_tt_buffer() Geert Uytterhoeven
2017-12-06 17:27     ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2017-12-06 17:27     ` [PATCH] USB: hub: Delete an error message for a failed memory allocation in usb_hub_clear_tt_buf Geert Uytterhoeven
2017-12-06 17:51     ` USB: hub: Delete an error message for a failed memory allocation in usb_hub_clear_tt_buffer() SF Markus Elfring
2017-12-06 17:51       ` SF Markus Elfring
2017-12-06 17:51       ` SF Markus Elfring
2017-12-06 20:20       ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2017-12-06 20:20         ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2017-12-06 20:20         ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2017-12-08 11:11         ` Dan Carpenter
2017-12-08 11:11           ` Dan Carpenter
2017-12-08 11:11           ` Dan Carpenter
2017-12-08 12:00           ` USB: hub: Checking communication difficulties SF Markus Elfring
2017-12-08 12:00             ` USB: hub: Delete an error message for a failed memory allocation in usb_hub_clear_tt_buffer() SF Markus Elfring
2017-12-08 12:00             ` USB: hub: Checking communication difficulties SF Markus Elfring
2017-12-06 20:05   ` [PATCH] USB: hub: Delete an error message for a failed memory allocation in usb_hub_clear_tt_buffer() Joe Perches
2017-12-06 20:05     ` Joe Perches
2017-12-06 20:05     ` [PATCH] USB: hub: Delete an error message for a failed memory allocation in usb_hub_clear_tt_buf Joe Perches
2017-12-06 21:18     ` [PATCH] USB: hub: Delete an error message for a failed memory allocation in usb_hub_clear_tt_buffer() Alan Stern
2017-12-06 21:18       ` Alan Stern
2017-12-06 21:18       ` [PATCH] USB: hub: Delete an error message for a failed memory allocation in usb_hub_clear_tt_buf Alan Stern
2017-12-06 21:33       ` USB: hub: Delete an error message for a failed memory allocation in usb_hub_clear_tt_buffer() SF Markus Elfring
2017-12-06 21:33         ` SF Markus Elfring
2017-12-06 21:33         ` SF Markus Elfring
2017-12-06 22:02         ` Alan Stern
2017-12-06 22:02           ` Alan Stern
2017-12-06 22:02           ` Alan Stern
2017-12-07  7:40           ` Geert Uytterhoeven [this message]
2017-12-07  7:40             ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2017-12-07  7:40             ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2017-12-07  8:35             ` Dan Carpenter
2017-12-07  8:35               ` Dan Carpenter
2017-12-07  8:35               ` Dan Carpenter
2017-12-07  8:45               ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2017-12-07  8:45                 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2017-12-07  8:45                 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2017-12-07  8:56                 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2017-12-07  8:56                   ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2017-12-07  8:56                   ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2017-12-07  9:17                   ` Oliver Neukum
2017-12-07  9:17                     ` Oliver Neukum
2017-12-07  9:17                     ` Oliver Neukum
2017-12-07  9:30                 ` Dan Carpenter
2017-12-07  9:30                   ` Dan Carpenter
2017-12-07  9:30                   ` Dan Carpenter
2017-12-07 15:12             ` Alan Stern
2017-12-07 15:12               ` Alan Stern
2017-12-07 15:12               ` Alan Stern
2017-12-07 16:20               ` Joe Perches
2017-12-07 16:20                 ` Joe Perches
2017-12-07 16:20                 ` Joe Perches
2017-12-07 20:51               ` Dan Carpenter
2017-12-07 20:51                 ` Dan Carpenter
2017-12-07 20:51                 ` Dan Carpenter
2017-12-07 21:26                 ` Alan Stern
2017-12-07 21:26                   ` Alan Stern
2017-12-07 21:26                   ` Alan Stern
2017-12-08  7:43                   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2017-12-08  7:43                     ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2017-12-08  7:43                     ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2017-12-08 17:42                     ` Alan Stern
2017-12-08 17:42                       ` Alan Stern
2017-12-08 17:42                       ` Alan Stern
2017-12-07 13:38           ` SF Markus Elfring
2017-12-07 13:38             ` SF Markus Elfring
2017-12-07 13:38             ` SF Markus Elfring

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