From: Mike Waychison <Michael.Waychison@Sun.COM> To: raven@themaw.net Cc: autofs mailing list <autofs@linux.kernel.org>, Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org> Subject: Re: [autofs] [RFC] Towards a Modern Autofs Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 13:46:49 -0500 [thread overview] Message-ID: <40043D19.3010608@sun.com> (raw) In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0401122356100.6362@raven.themaw.net> [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 2519 bytes --] raven@themaw.net wrote: >On Mon, 12 Jan 2004, Mike Waychison wrote: > > > >>>Transparency of an autofs filesystem (as I'm calling it) is the situation >>>where, given a map >>> >>>/usr /man1 server:/usr/man1 >>> /man2 server:/usr/man2 >>> >>>where the filesystem /usr contains, say a directory lib, that needs to be >>>available while also seeing the automounted directories. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>I see. This requires direct mount triggers to do properly. Trying to >>do it with some sort of passthrough to the underlying filesystem is a >>nightmare waiting to happen.. >> >> >> > >So what are we saying here? > >We install triggers at /usr/man1 and /usr/man2. >Then suppose the map had a nobrowse option. > > This is a direct map. The browse / nobrowse options do not apply to direct maps. >Does the trigger also take care of hiding man1 and man2? > > > No. man1 and man2 appear as directories to anyone doing an lstat on them. Traversing *into* them will cause filesystems to be mounted on them. This appears to be similar to browsing of an indirect map at first, however it is a different beast. With indirect maps, we are given the right to cover up /usr to help us detects stats and traversals into its sub-directories. With direct entries, we don't have these leisure. Everything in /usr most be accessible at all times. Your need for 'transparency' comes from the fact that you convert direct maps into indirect maps, which require the covering of /usr. >Is there some definition of these triggers? > > > This question is up in the air. I propose using a magic filesystem, whose root dentry has a follow_link callback defined. When somebody walks into the filesystem, the follow_link is called, which does the mount onto a different dentry, and then forwards the original caller to the new vfsmount/dentry pair. HPA and Viro believe this is better done in the VFS layer directly by using special vfsmounts without super_blocks. The path walking code would be modified to know of these 'traps' or 'triggers' natively. Which solution is best is left as an exercise. -- Mike Waychison Sun Microsystems, Inc. 1 (650) 352-5299 voice 1 (416) 202-8336 voice mailto: Michael.Waychison@Sun.COM http://www.sun.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ NOTICE: The opinions expressed in this email are held by me, and may not represent the views of Sun Microsystems, Inc. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ [-- Attachment #2: Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 251 bytes --]
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From: Mike Waychison <Michael.Waychison@Sun.COM> To: raven@themaw.net Cc: autofs mailing list <autofs@linux.kernel.org>, Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org> Subject: Re: [RFC] Towards a Modern Autofs Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 13:46:49 -0500 [thread overview] Message-ID: <40043D19.3010608@sun.com> (raw) In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0401122356100.6362@raven.themaw.net> [-- Attachment #1.1: Type: text/plain, Size: 2519 bytes --] raven@themaw.net wrote: >On Mon, 12 Jan 2004, Mike Waychison wrote: > > > >>>Transparency of an autofs filesystem (as I'm calling it) is the situation >>>where, given a map >>> >>>/usr /man1 server:/usr/man1 >>> /man2 server:/usr/man2 >>> >>>where the filesystem /usr contains, say a directory lib, that needs to be >>>available while also seeing the automounted directories. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>I see. This requires direct mount triggers to do properly. Trying to >>do it with some sort of passthrough to the underlying filesystem is a >>nightmare waiting to happen.. >> >> >> > >So what are we saying here? > >We install triggers at /usr/man1 and /usr/man2. >Then suppose the map had a nobrowse option. > > This is a direct map. The browse / nobrowse options do not apply to direct maps. >Does the trigger also take care of hiding man1 and man2? > > > No. man1 and man2 appear as directories to anyone doing an lstat on them. Traversing *into* them will cause filesystems to be mounted on them. This appears to be similar to browsing of an indirect map at first, however it is a different beast. With indirect maps, we are given the right to cover up /usr to help us detects stats and traversals into its sub-directories. With direct entries, we don't have these leisure. Everything in /usr most be accessible at all times. Your need for 'transparency' comes from the fact that you convert direct maps into indirect maps, which require the covering of /usr. >Is there some definition of these triggers? > > > This question is up in the air. I propose using a magic filesystem, whose root dentry has a follow_link callback defined. When somebody walks into the filesystem, the follow_link is called, which does the mount onto a different dentry, and then forwards the original caller to the new vfsmount/dentry pair. HPA and Viro believe this is better done in the VFS layer directly by using special vfsmounts without super_blocks. The path walking code would be modified to know of these 'traps' or 'triggers' natively. Which solution is best is left as an exercise. -- Mike Waychison Sun Microsystems, Inc. 1 (650) 352-5299 voice 1 (416) 202-8336 voice mailto: Michael.Waychison@Sun.COM http://www.sun.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ NOTICE: The opinions expressed in this email are held by me, and may not represent the views of Sun Microsystems, Inc. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ [-- Attachment #1.2: Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 251 bytes --] [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/plain, Size: 140 bytes --] _______________________________________________ autofs mailing list autofs@linux.kernel.org http://linux.kernel.org/mailman/listinfo/autofs
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2004-01-13 18:47 UTC|newest] Thread overview: 115+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top 2004-01-06 19:55 [RFC] Towards a Modern Autofs Mike Waychison 2004-01-06 19:55 ` Mike Waychison 2004-01-06 21:01 ` [autofs] " H. Peter Anvin 2004-01-06 21:01 ` H. Peter Anvin 2004-01-06 21:44 ` [autofs] " Mike Waychison 2004-01-06 21:44 ` Mike Waychison 2004-01-06 21:50 ` [autofs] " Tim Hockin 2004-01-06 21:50 ` Tim Hockin 2004-01-06 22:06 ` [autofs] " H. Peter Anvin 2004-01-06 22:06 ` H. Peter Anvin 2004-01-06 22:17 ` [autofs] " Tim Hockin [not found] ` <20040106221502.GA7398@hockin.org> 2004-01-06 22:20 ` H. Peter Anvin 2004-01-06 22:20 ` H. Peter Anvin 2004-01-07 16:19 ` [autofs] " Mike Waychison 2004-01-07 16:19 ` Mike Waychison 2004-01-07 17:55 ` [autofs] " H. Peter Anvin 2004-01-07 21:13 ` Mike Waychison 2004-01-06 22:28 ` name spaces good (was: [autofs] [RFC] Towards a Modern Autofs) Dax Kelson 2004-01-06 22:48 ` name spaces good H. Peter Anvin 2004-01-06 22:48 ` H. Peter Anvin 2004-01-07 21:14 ` [autofs] [RFC] Towards a Modern Autofs Jim Carter 2004-01-07 21:14 ` Jim Carter 2004-01-07 22:55 ` [autofs] " Mike Waychison 2004-01-07 22:55 ` Mike Waychison 2004-01-08 12:00 ` [autofs] " Ian Kent 2004-01-08 12:00 ` Ian Kent 2004-01-08 15:39 ` [autofs] " Mike Waychison 2004-01-09 18:20 ` Ian Kent 2004-01-09 18:20 ` Ian Kent 2004-01-09 20:06 ` [autofs] " Mike Waychison 2004-01-09 20:06 ` Mike Waychison 2004-01-10 5:43 ` [autofs] " Ian Kent 2004-01-12 13:07 ` Mike Waychison 2004-01-12 16:01 ` raven 2004-01-12 16:26 ` Mike Waychison 2004-01-12 22:50 ` Tim Hockin 2004-01-12 23:28 ` Mike Waychison 2004-01-13 1:30 ` Ian Kent 2004-01-13 1:30 ` Ian Kent 2004-01-12 16:28 ` [autofs] " raven 2004-01-12 16:58 ` Mike Waychison 2004-01-13 1:54 ` Ian Kent 2004-01-13 1:54 ` Ian Kent 2004-01-13 19:01 ` [autofs] " Mike Waychison 2004-01-13 19:01 ` Mike Waychison 2004-01-14 15:58 ` [autofs] " raven 2004-01-14 19:32 ` running out of mount points Greg Bradner 2004-01-19 15:48 ` Greg Bradner 2004-01-19 17:11 ` Mike Waychison 2004-01-19 19:07 ` Greg Bradner 2004-01-20 19:15 ` Jim Carter 2004-01-13 18:46 ` Mike Waychison [this message] 2004-01-13 18:46 ` [RFC] Towards a Modern Autofs Mike Waychison 2004-01-09 20:51 ` [autofs] " Jim Carter 2004-01-09 20:51 ` Jim Carter 2004-01-10 5:56 ` [autofs] " Ian Kent 2004-01-08 17:34 ` H. Peter Anvin 2004-01-08 19:41 ` Mike Waychison 2004-01-08 23:42 ` Michael Clark 2004-01-09 20:28 ` Mike Waychison 2004-01-09 20:28 ` Mike Waychison 2004-01-09 20:54 ` [autofs] " H. Peter Anvin 2004-01-09 20:54 ` H. Peter Anvin 2004-01-09 21:43 ` [autofs] " Mike Waychison 2004-01-09 21:43 ` Mike Waychison 2004-01-09 18:32 ` [autofs] " Ian Kent 2004-01-09 18:32 ` Ian Kent 2004-01-09 20:52 ` [autofs] " Mike Waychison 2004-01-09 20:52 ` Mike Waychison 2004-01-10 6:05 ` [autofs] " Ian Kent 2004-01-08 12:29 ` Olivier Galibert 2004-01-08 13:20 ` Robin Rosenberg 2004-01-08 16:23 ` Mike Waychison 2004-01-08 12:35 ` Ian Kent 2004-01-08 13:08 ` Ian Kent 2004-01-08 18:20 ` Jim Carter 2004-01-08 21:01 ` H. Peter Anvin 2004-01-08 0:48 ` Ian Kent 2004-01-08 0:48 ` Ian Kent 2004-01-06 22:28 [autofs] " Ogden, Aaron A. 2004-01-06 22:41 ` Mike Fedyk 2004-01-06 22:47 ` Tim Hockin 2004-01-06 22:53 ` Paul Raines 2004-01-07 23:14 ` Jim Carter 2004-01-07 23:32 ` H. Peter Anvin 2004-01-08 12:52 ` Ian Kent 2004-01-08 12:52 ` Ian Kent 2004-01-08 18:31 ` viro 2004-01-09 18:43 ` Ian Kent 2004-01-09 19:41 ` Mike Waychison 2004-01-09 19:57 ` H. Peter Anvin 2004-01-09 21:31 ` Mike Waychison 2004-01-09 21:36 ` H. Peter Anvin 2004-01-06 23:34 Ogden, Aaron A. 2004-01-06 23:47 ` Tim Hockin [not found] <1b5GC-29h-1@gated-at.bofh.it> [not found] ` <1b6CO-3v0-15@gated-at.bofh.it> 2004-01-07 4:21 ` Andi Kleen 2004-01-07 17:50 ` H. Peter Anvin 2004-01-07 21:04 ` Mike Waychison 2004-01-07 21:11 ` Mike Fedyk 2004-01-07 23:40 ` Jesper Juhl 2004-01-07 21:24 ` Jeff Garzik 2004-01-07 23:47 ` Mike Waychison 2004-01-07 23:56 ` Jeff Garzik 2004-01-12 16:57 ` Mike Waychison 2004-01-13 7:39 ` Ian Kent 2004-01-08 19:32 trond.myklebust 2004-01-08 19:41 ` H. Peter Anvin 2004-01-08 20:08 ` trond.myklebust 2004-01-08 21:13 ` H. Peter Anvin 2004-01-08 22:20 ` J. Bruce Fields 2004-01-08 22:24 ` H. Peter Anvin 2004-01-09 20:37 ` Mike Waychison 2004-01-09 21:02 ` H. Peter Anvin 2004-01-09 21:52 ` Mike Waychison 2004-01-09 20:16 ` Mike Waychison
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