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From: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
To: Al Viro <viro@ZenIV.linux.org.uk>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Andrew Lutomirski <luto@mit.edu>, Borislav Petkov <bp@amd64.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>,
	"user-mode-linux-devel@lists.sourceforge.net" 
	<user-mode-linux-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>,
	Richard Weinberger <richard@nod.at>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"mingo@redhat.com" <mingo@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [uml-devel] SYSCALL, ptrace and syscall restart breakages (Re: [RFC] weird crap with vdso on uml/i386)
Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2011 17:07:06 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4E52EF2A.8060608@zytor.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20110823000314.GW2203@ZenIV.linux.org.uk>

On 08/22/2011 05:03 PM, Al Viro wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 04:27:51PM -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> 
>> So I think the "let's fix the vdso case for sysenter" + "let's remove
>> the 32-bit syscall vdso" is the right solution. If somebody has
>> hardcoded syscall instructions, or generates them dynamically with
>> some JIT, that's their problem. We'll continue to support it as well
>> as we ever have (read: "almost nobody will ever notice").
> 
> Umm...  Maybe, but I really wonder if it would be better to do this:
> 	* check if %ecx is the right one for vdso32 entry.  If it isn't,
> act as we act now (and possibly warn).  If it is, increment it by 4.
> 	* slap 0x90, 0x90, 0xcd, 0x80 right after that syscall insn -
> i.e. nop/nop/int 0x80.  Followed by what we currently do there.
> 
> 	Those who do syscall insn in 32bit mode outside of vdso will get
> what they currently get.  __kernel_vsyscall() will keep working and do
> that without restart problems.  And the price is comparison + branch not
> taken + addition for that path...

Checking for SYSCALL in the vdso is cheap... the only problem is if
someone thinks that they can copy it out of the vdso and run it, having
special-cased SYSENTER already, but not SYSCALL.  The recent experience
shows that that is apparently a very real possibility.

Without a SYSCALL in the vdso, anything that examines the vdso will end
up using int $0x80 and we don't have an issue.

Again, waiting for Borislav & co to tell us how much the SYSCALL
instruction actually buys us.

	-hpa

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From: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
To: Al Viro <viro@ZenIV.linux.org.uk>
Cc: Andrew Lutomirski <luto@mit.edu>,
	"user-mode-linux-devel@lists.sourceforge.net"
	<user-mode-linux-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>,
	Richard Weinberger <richard@nod.at>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Borislav Petkov <bp@amd64.org>,
	"mingo@redhat.com" <mingo@redhat.com>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [uml-devel] SYSCALL, ptrace and syscall restart breakages (Re: [RFC] weird crap with vdso on uml/i386)
Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2011 17:07:06 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4E52EF2A.8060608@zytor.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20110823000314.GW2203@ZenIV.linux.org.uk>

On 08/22/2011 05:03 PM, Al Viro wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 04:27:51PM -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> 
>> So I think the "let's fix the vdso case for sysenter" + "let's remove
>> the 32-bit syscall vdso" is the right solution. If somebody has
>> hardcoded syscall instructions, or generates them dynamically with
>> some JIT, that's their problem. We'll continue to support it as well
>> as we ever have (read: "almost nobody will ever notice").
> 
> Umm...  Maybe, but I really wonder if it would be better to do this:
> 	* check if %ecx is the right one for vdso32 entry.  If it isn't,
> act as we act now (and possibly warn).  If it is, increment it by 4.
> 	* slap 0x90, 0x90, 0xcd, 0x80 right after that syscall insn -
> i.e. nop/nop/int 0x80.  Followed by what we currently do there.
> 
> 	Those who do syscall insn in 32bit mode outside of vdso will get
> what they currently get.  __kernel_vsyscall() will keep working and do
> that without restart problems.  And the price is comparison + branch not
> taken + addition for that path...

Checking for SYSCALL in the vdso is cheap... the only problem is if
someone thinks that they can copy it out of the vdso and run it, having
special-cased SYSENTER already, but not SYSCALL.  The recent experience
shows that that is apparently a very real possibility.

Without a SYSCALL in the vdso, anything that examines the vdso will end
up using int $0x80 and we don't have an issue.

Again, waiting for Borislav & co to tell us how much the SYSCALL
instruction actually buys us.

	-hpa

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Thread overview: 161+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-08-18 18:58 Subject: [PATCH 00/91] pending uml patches Al Viro
2011-08-18 18:58 ` [uml-devel] " Al Viro
2011-08-18 19:12 ` Richard Weinberger
2011-08-18 19:12   ` [uml-devel] " Richard Weinberger
2011-08-18 19:19   ` Al Viro
2011-08-18 19:19     ` [uml-devel] " Al Viro
2011-08-19  4:31     ` Al Viro
2011-08-19  8:51       ` Richard Weinberger
2011-08-19  8:51         ` [uml-devel] " Richard Weinberger
2011-08-20  1:18         ` [RFC] weird crap with vdso on uml/i386 Al Viro
2011-08-20 15:22           ` Richard Weinberger
2011-08-20 20:14             ` Al Viro
2011-08-20 20:14               ` [uml-devel] " Al Viro
2011-08-20 20:55               ` Richard Weinberger
2011-08-20 21:26                 ` Andrew Lutomirski
2011-08-20 21:26                   ` Andrew Lutomirski
2011-08-20 21:38                   ` Richard Weinberger
2011-08-20 21:38                     ` [uml-devel] " Richard Weinberger
2011-08-20 21:40                   ` Andrew Lutomirski
2011-08-20 21:40                     ` [uml-devel] " Andrew Lutomirski
2011-08-21  6:34                     ` Al Viro
2011-08-21  6:34                       ` [uml-devel] " Al Viro
2011-08-21  8:42                       ` SYSCALL, ptrace and syscall restart breakages (Re: [RFC] weird crap with vdso on uml/i386) Al Viro
2011-08-21  8:42                         ` [uml-devel] " Al Viro
2011-08-21 11:24                         ` Andrew Lutomirski
2011-08-21 11:24                           ` [uml-devel] " Andrew Lutomirski
2011-08-21 13:37                           ` Andrew Lutomirski
2011-08-21 13:37                             ` [uml-devel] " Andrew Lutomirski
2011-08-21 14:51                             ` Al Viro
2011-08-21 14:51                               ` [uml-devel] " Al Viro
2011-08-21 14:43                           ` Al Viro
2011-08-21 16:41                             ` Al Viro
2011-08-21 16:41                               ` [uml-devel] " Al Viro
2011-08-22  0:44                               ` Andrew Lutomirski
2011-08-22  0:44                                 ` Andrew Lutomirski
2011-08-22  1:09                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2011-08-22  1:19                                   ` Al Viro
2011-08-22  1:19                                     ` [uml-devel] " Al Viro
2011-08-22  1:19                                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-22  1:19                                     ` [uml-devel] " H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-22 21:25                                   ` [tip:x86/urgent] x86-32, vdso: On system call restart after SYSENTER, use int $0x80 tip-bot for H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-23 23:40                                   ` tip-bot for H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-22  1:16                                 ` SYSCALL, ptrace and syscall restart breakages (Re: [RFC] weird crap with vdso on uml/i386) Al Viro
2011-08-22  1:16                                   ` [uml-devel] " Al Viro
2011-08-22  1:41                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2011-08-22  1:41                                     ` [uml-devel] " Linus Torvalds
2011-08-22  1:48                                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-22  1:48                                       ` [uml-devel] " H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-22  2:01                                       ` Andrew Lutomirski
2011-08-22  2:01                                         ` [uml-devel] " Andrew Lutomirski
2011-08-22  2:07                                         ` Al Viro
2011-08-22  2:07                                           ` [uml-devel] " Al Viro
2011-08-22  2:26                                           ` Andrew Lutomirski
2011-08-22  2:26                                             ` [uml-devel] " Andrew Lutomirski
2011-08-22  2:34                                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-22  2:34                                               ` [uml-devel] " H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-22  4:05                                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-22  4:05                                               ` [uml-devel] " H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-22  9:53                                               ` Ingo Molnar
2011-08-22 13:34                                                 ` Andrew Lutomirski
2011-08-22 13:34                                                   ` Andrew Lutomirski
2011-08-22 14:40                                                   ` Borislav Petkov
2011-08-22 14:40                                                     ` Borislav Petkov
2011-08-22 15:13                                                     ` Al Viro
2011-08-22 15:13                                                       ` Al Viro
2011-08-22 20:05                                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2011-08-22 20:05                                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2011-08-22 20:11                                                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-22 20:11                                                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-22 21:52                                                           ` Andrew Lutomirski
2011-08-22 21:52                                                             ` Andrew Lutomirski
2011-08-22 22:04                                                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-22 22:04                                                               ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-22 23:27                                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2011-08-22 23:46                                                                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-22 23:46                                                                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-23  0:03                                                                 ` Al Viro
2011-08-23  0:03                                                                   ` Al Viro
2011-08-23  0:07                                                                   ` Al Viro
2011-08-23  0:07                                                                     ` Al Viro
2011-08-23  0:07                                                                   ` H. Peter Anvin [this message]
2011-08-23  0:07                                                                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-23  0:22                                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2011-08-23  0:22                                                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2011-08-23  1:01                                                                       ` Al Viro
2011-08-23  1:13                                                                         ` Al Viro
2011-08-23  1:13                                                                           ` Al Viro
2011-08-23  1:59                                                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2011-08-23  1:59                                                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2011-08-23  2:59                                                                             ` Al Viro
2011-08-23  2:59                                                                               ` Al Viro
2011-08-23  2:17                                                                           ` Al Viro
2011-08-23  6:15                                                                             ` Al Viro
2011-08-23 14:26                                                                               ` Borislav Petkov
2011-08-23 16:30                                                                                 ` Al Viro
2011-08-23 16:30                                                                                   ` Al Viro
2011-08-23 16:03                                                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2011-08-23 16:03                                                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2011-08-23 16:11                                                                                 ` Andrew Lutomirski
2011-08-23 16:11                                                                                   ` Andrew Lutomirski
2011-08-23 16:20                                                                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2011-08-23 16:20                                                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2011-08-23 17:33                                                                                     ` Al Viro
2011-08-23 17:33                                                                                       ` Al Viro
2011-08-23 18:04                                                                                       ` Al Viro
2011-08-23 18:04                                                                                         ` Al Viro
2011-08-24 12:44                                                                                       ` [PATCH] x86, asm: Document some of the syscall asm glue Borislav Petkov
2011-08-23 16:22                                                                                   ` [uml-devel] SYSCALL, ptrace and syscall restart breakages (Re: [RFC] weird crap with vdso on uml/i386) Borislav Petkov
2011-08-23 16:29                                                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2011-08-23 16:53                                                                                       ` Al Viro
2011-08-23 16:53                                                                                         ` Al Viro
2011-08-23 16:58                                                                                         ` Richard Weinberger
2011-08-23 16:58                                                                                           ` Richard Weinberger
2011-08-23 17:07                                                                                           ` Al Viro
2011-08-23 17:07                                                                                             ` Al Viro
2011-08-23 17:29                                                                                             ` Richard Weinberger
2011-08-23 17:29                                                                                               ` Richard Weinberger
2011-08-25  0:05                                                                                             ` Richard Weinberger
2011-08-23 19:15                                                                                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-23 19:15                                                                                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-23 20:56                                                                                       ` Borislav Petkov
2011-08-23 21:06                                                                                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-23 21:10                                                                                           ` Borislav Petkov
2011-08-23 23:04                                                                                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-23 23:04                                                                                               ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-24 21:10                                                                                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-24 21:10                                                                                               ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-23 16:48                                                                                 ` Al Viro
2011-08-23 16:48                                                                                   ` Al Viro
2011-08-23 17:33                                                                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2011-08-23 17:33                                                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2011-08-23 21:08                                                                                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-23 21:08                                                                                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-23 21:20                                                                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2011-08-23 21:20                                                                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2011-08-23 23:04                                                                                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-23 23:04                                                                                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-23 19:18                                                                                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-23 19:18                                                                                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-23 19:24                                                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2011-08-23 19:24                                                                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2011-08-23 19:26                                                                                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-23 19:26                                                                                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-23 19:41                                                                                       ` Al Viro
2011-08-23 19:41                                                                                         ` Al Viro
2011-08-23 19:43                                                                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2011-08-23 19:43                                                                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2011-08-23 21:17                                                                                           ` Al Viro
2011-08-23 21:17                                                                                             ` Al Viro
2011-08-23  1:16                                                                         ` Andrew Lutomirski
2011-08-23  1:18                                                                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-23  1:18                                                                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-22  4:07                                     ` Al Viro
2011-08-22  4:11                                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-22  4:11                                         ` [uml-devel] " H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-22  4:26                                         ` Al Viro
2011-08-22  4:26                                           ` [uml-devel] " Al Viro
2011-08-22  5:03                                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-22  5:03                                             ` [uml-devel] " H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-23  5:10                                             ` Andrew Lutomirski
2011-08-23  5:10                                               ` [uml-devel] " Andrew Lutomirski

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