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From: Andrew Lutomirski <luto@mit.edu>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
	"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>, Borislav Petkov <bp@amd64.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>,
	"user-mode-linux-devel@lists.sourceforge.net" 
	<user-mode-linux-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>,
	Richard Weinberger <richard@nod.at>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"mingo@redhat.com" <mingo@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [uml-devel] SYSCALL, ptrace and syscall restart breakages (Re: [RFC] weird crap with vdso on uml/i386)
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 12:11:43 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAObL_7F-E2y_cd1MK4ayBx_CqszrewSrBt6V7=ndVuBQrrmTKQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CA+55aFzUAuPEwcvVvuXooWMT6XpDuOjEHi-Ab+SOhZVjfbVYpA@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 12:03 PM, Linus Torvalds
<torvalds@linux-foundation.org> wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 11:15 PM, Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk> wrote:
>>
>> * it does SETREGS, setting eax to return value, eip to original return
>> address of syscall insn... and ebp to what it had in regs.bp.  I.e. the
>> damn arg6 value.
>
> Ok, I think that exhaustively explains that
>
>  (a) our system call restart has always worked correctly, and we're good.
>
>  (b) it's simply just UML that is buggy, and doesn't understand the
> subtleties about doing GETREGS at a system call.
>
> and I think that the correct and simple solution is to just teach UML
> to understand the proper logic of pt_regs during a system call (and a
> 'syscall' instruction in particular).
>
> The thing is, UML emulates 'syscall' the way the *CPU* does it, not
> the way *we* do it. That may make sense, but it's simply not correct.
>
> So I would vote very strongly against actually changing anything in
> arch/x86. This is very much an UML issue.
>
> Suggested fixes:
>
>  - instead of blindly doing SETREGS, just write the result registers
> individually like you suggested
>
> OR (and perhaps preferably):
>
>  - teach UML that when you do 'GETREGS' after a system call trapped,
> we have switched things around to match the "official system call
> order", and UML should just undo our swizzling, and do a "regs.ebp =
> regs.ecx" to make it be what the actual original registers were (or
> whatever the actual correct swizzle is - I didn't think that through
> very much).
>
> IOW, I think the core kernel does the right thing. Our argument
> register swizzling is odd, yes, but it's an implementation detail that
> something like uml should just have to take into account. No?
>
> Hmm?

Egads.  Does this mean that doing GETREGS and then doing SETREGS later
on with the *exact same values* is considered incorrect?  IMO, this
way lies madness.

In any case, this seems insanely overcomplicated.  I'd be less afraid
of something like my approach (which, I think, makes all of the
SYSCALL weirdness pretty much transparent to ptrace users) or of just
removing SYSCALL entirely from 32-bit code.

--Andy

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From: Andrew Lutomirski <luto@mit.edu>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: "user-mode-linux-devel@lists.sourceforge.net"
	<user-mode-linux-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>,
	Richard Weinberger <richard@nod.at>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Borislav Petkov <bp@amd64.org>,
	"mingo@redhat.com" <mingo@redhat.com>,
	Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
	"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [uml-devel] SYSCALL, ptrace and syscall restart breakages (Re: [RFC] weird crap with vdso on uml/i386)
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 12:11:43 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAObL_7F-E2y_cd1MK4ayBx_CqszrewSrBt6V7=ndVuBQrrmTKQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CA+55aFzUAuPEwcvVvuXooWMT6XpDuOjEHi-Ab+SOhZVjfbVYpA@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 12:03 PM, Linus Torvalds
<torvalds@linux-foundation.org> wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 11:15 PM, Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk> wrote:
>>
>> * it does SETREGS, setting eax to return value, eip to original return
>> address of syscall insn... and ebp to what it had in regs.bp.  I.e. the
>> damn arg6 value.
>
> Ok, I think that exhaustively explains that
>
>  (a) our system call restart has always worked correctly, and we're good.
>
>  (b) it's simply just UML that is buggy, and doesn't understand the
> subtleties about doing GETREGS at a system call.
>
> and I think that the correct and simple solution is to just teach UML
> to understand the proper logic of pt_regs during a system call (and a
> 'syscall' instruction in particular).
>
> The thing is, UML emulates 'syscall' the way the *CPU* does it, not
> the way *we* do it. That may make sense, but it's simply not correct.
>
> So I would vote very strongly against actually changing anything in
> arch/x86. This is very much an UML issue.
>
> Suggested fixes:
>
>  - instead of blindly doing SETREGS, just write the result registers
> individually like you suggested
>
> OR (and perhaps preferably):
>
>  - teach UML that when you do 'GETREGS' after a system call trapped,
> we have switched things around to match the "official system call
> order", and UML should just undo our swizzling, and do a "regs.ebp =
> regs.ecx" to make it be what the actual original registers were (or
> whatever the actual correct swizzle is - I didn't think that through
> very much).
>
> IOW, I think the core kernel does the right thing. Our argument
> register swizzling is odd, yes, but it's an implementation detail that
> something like uml should just have to take into account. No?
>
> Hmm?

Egads.  Does this mean that doing GETREGS and then doing SETREGS later
on with the *exact same values* is considered incorrect?  IMO, this
way lies madness.

In any case, this seems insanely overcomplicated.  I'd be less afraid
of something like my approach (which, I think, makes all of the
SYSCALL weirdness pretty much transparent to ptrace users) or of just
removing SYSCALL entirely from 32-bit code.

--Andy

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Thread overview: 161+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-08-18 18:58 Subject: [PATCH 00/91] pending uml patches Al Viro
2011-08-18 18:58 ` [uml-devel] " Al Viro
2011-08-18 19:12 ` Richard Weinberger
2011-08-18 19:12   ` [uml-devel] " Richard Weinberger
2011-08-18 19:19   ` Al Viro
2011-08-18 19:19     ` [uml-devel] " Al Viro
2011-08-19  4:31     ` Al Viro
2011-08-19  8:51       ` Richard Weinberger
2011-08-19  8:51         ` [uml-devel] " Richard Weinberger
2011-08-20  1:18         ` [RFC] weird crap with vdso on uml/i386 Al Viro
2011-08-20 15:22           ` Richard Weinberger
2011-08-20 20:14             ` Al Viro
2011-08-20 20:14               ` [uml-devel] " Al Viro
2011-08-20 20:55               ` Richard Weinberger
2011-08-20 21:26                 ` Andrew Lutomirski
2011-08-20 21:26                   ` Andrew Lutomirski
2011-08-20 21:38                   ` Richard Weinberger
2011-08-20 21:38                     ` [uml-devel] " Richard Weinberger
2011-08-20 21:40                   ` Andrew Lutomirski
2011-08-20 21:40                     ` [uml-devel] " Andrew Lutomirski
2011-08-21  6:34                     ` Al Viro
2011-08-21  6:34                       ` [uml-devel] " Al Viro
2011-08-21  8:42                       ` SYSCALL, ptrace and syscall restart breakages (Re: [RFC] weird crap with vdso on uml/i386) Al Viro
2011-08-21  8:42                         ` [uml-devel] " Al Viro
2011-08-21 11:24                         ` Andrew Lutomirski
2011-08-21 11:24                           ` [uml-devel] " Andrew Lutomirski
2011-08-21 13:37                           ` Andrew Lutomirski
2011-08-21 13:37                             ` [uml-devel] " Andrew Lutomirski
2011-08-21 14:51                             ` Al Viro
2011-08-21 14:51                               ` [uml-devel] " Al Viro
2011-08-21 14:43                           ` Al Viro
2011-08-21 16:41                             ` Al Viro
2011-08-21 16:41                               ` [uml-devel] " Al Viro
2011-08-22  0:44                               ` Andrew Lutomirski
2011-08-22  0:44                                 ` Andrew Lutomirski
2011-08-22  1:09                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2011-08-22  1:19                                   ` Al Viro
2011-08-22  1:19                                     ` [uml-devel] " Al Viro
2011-08-22  1:19                                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-22  1:19                                     ` [uml-devel] " H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-22 21:25                                   ` [tip:x86/urgent] x86-32, vdso: On system call restart after SYSENTER, use int $0x80 tip-bot for H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-23 23:40                                   ` tip-bot for H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-22  1:16                                 ` SYSCALL, ptrace and syscall restart breakages (Re: [RFC] weird crap with vdso on uml/i386) Al Viro
2011-08-22  1:16                                   ` [uml-devel] " Al Viro
2011-08-22  1:41                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2011-08-22  1:41                                     ` [uml-devel] " Linus Torvalds
2011-08-22  1:48                                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-22  1:48                                       ` [uml-devel] " H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-22  2:01                                       ` Andrew Lutomirski
2011-08-22  2:01                                         ` [uml-devel] " Andrew Lutomirski
2011-08-22  2:07                                         ` Al Viro
2011-08-22  2:07                                           ` [uml-devel] " Al Viro
2011-08-22  2:26                                           ` Andrew Lutomirski
2011-08-22  2:26                                             ` [uml-devel] " Andrew Lutomirski
2011-08-22  2:34                                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-22  2:34                                               ` [uml-devel] " H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-22  4:05                                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-22  4:05                                               ` [uml-devel] " H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-22  9:53                                               ` Ingo Molnar
2011-08-22 13:34                                                 ` Andrew Lutomirski
2011-08-22 13:34                                                   ` Andrew Lutomirski
2011-08-22 14:40                                                   ` Borislav Petkov
2011-08-22 14:40                                                     ` Borislav Petkov
2011-08-22 15:13                                                     ` Al Viro
2011-08-22 15:13                                                       ` Al Viro
2011-08-22 20:05                                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2011-08-22 20:05                                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2011-08-22 20:11                                                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-22 20:11                                                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-22 21:52                                                           ` Andrew Lutomirski
2011-08-22 21:52                                                             ` Andrew Lutomirski
2011-08-22 22:04                                                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-22 22:04                                                               ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-22 23:27                                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2011-08-22 23:46                                                                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-22 23:46                                                                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-23  0:03                                                                 ` Al Viro
2011-08-23  0:03                                                                   ` Al Viro
2011-08-23  0:07                                                                   ` Al Viro
2011-08-23  0:07                                                                     ` Al Viro
2011-08-23  0:07                                                                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-23  0:07                                                                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-23  0:22                                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2011-08-23  0:22                                                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2011-08-23  1:01                                                                       ` Al Viro
2011-08-23  1:13                                                                         ` Al Viro
2011-08-23  1:13                                                                           ` Al Viro
2011-08-23  1:59                                                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2011-08-23  1:59                                                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2011-08-23  2:59                                                                             ` Al Viro
2011-08-23  2:59                                                                               ` Al Viro
2011-08-23  2:17                                                                           ` Al Viro
2011-08-23  6:15                                                                             ` Al Viro
2011-08-23 14:26                                                                               ` Borislav Petkov
2011-08-23 16:30                                                                                 ` Al Viro
2011-08-23 16:30                                                                                   ` Al Viro
2011-08-23 16:03                                                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2011-08-23 16:03                                                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2011-08-23 16:11                                                                                 ` Andrew Lutomirski [this message]
2011-08-23 16:11                                                                                   ` Andrew Lutomirski
2011-08-23 16:20                                                                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2011-08-23 16:20                                                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2011-08-23 17:33                                                                                     ` Al Viro
2011-08-23 17:33                                                                                       ` Al Viro
2011-08-23 18:04                                                                                       ` Al Viro
2011-08-23 18:04                                                                                         ` Al Viro
2011-08-24 12:44                                                                                       ` [PATCH] x86, asm: Document some of the syscall asm glue Borislav Petkov
2011-08-23 16:22                                                                                   ` [uml-devel] SYSCALL, ptrace and syscall restart breakages (Re: [RFC] weird crap with vdso on uml/i386) Borislav Petkov
2011-08-23 16:29                                                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2011-08-23 16:53                                                                                       ` Al Viro
2011-08-23 16:53                                                                                         ` Al Viro
2011-08-23 16:58                                                                                         ` Richard Weinberger
2011-08-23 16:58                                                                                           ` Richard Weinberger
2011-08-23 17:07                                                                                           ` Al Viro
2011-08-23 17:07                                                                                             ` Al Viro
2011-08-23 17:29                                                                                             ` Richard Weinberger
2011-08-23 17:29                                                                                               ` Richard Weinberger
2011-08-25  0:05                                                                                             ` Richard Weinberger
2011-08-23 19:15                                                                                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-23 19:15                                                                                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-23 20:56                                                                                       ` Borislav Petkov
2011-08-23 21:06                                                                                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-23 21:10                                                                                           ` Borislav Petkov
2011-08-23 23:04                                                                                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-23 23:04                                                                                               ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-24 21:10                                                                                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-24 21:10                                                                                               ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-23 16:48                                                                                 ` Al Viro
2011-08-23 16:48                                                                                   ` Al Viro
2011-08-23 17:33                                                                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2011-08-23 17:33                                                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2011-08-23 21:08                                                                                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-23 21:08                                                                                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-23 21:20                                                                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2011-08-23 21:20                                                                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2011-08-23 23:04                                                                                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-23 23:04                                                                                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-23 19:18                                                                                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-23 19:18                                                                                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-23 19:24                                                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2011-08-23 19:24                                                                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2011-08-23 19:26                                                                                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-23 19:26                                                                                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-23 19:41                                                                                       ` Al Viro
2011-08-23 19:41                                                                                         ` Al Viro
2011-08-23 19:43                                                                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2011-08-23 19:43                                                                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2011-08-23 21:17                                                                                           ` Al Viro
2011-08-23 21:17                                                                                             ` Al Viro
2011-08-23  1:16                                                                         ` Andrew Lutomirski
2011-08-23  1:18                                                                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-23  1:18                                                                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-22  4:07                                     ` Al Viro
2011-08-22  4:11                                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-22  4:11                                         ` [uml-devel] " H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-22  4:26                                         ` Al Viro
2011-08-22  4:26                                           ` [uml-devel] " Al Viro
2011-08-22  5:03                                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-22  5:03                                             ` [uml-devel] " H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-23  5:10                                             ` Andrew Lutomirski
2011-08-23  5:10                                               ` [uml-devel] " Andrew Lutomirski

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