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From: Andrew Lutomirski <luto@mit.edu>
To: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>, Borislav Petkov <bp@amd64.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>,
	"user-mode-linux-devel@lists.sourceforge.net" 
	<user-mode-linux-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>,
	Richard Weinberger <richard@nod.at>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"mingo@redhat.com" <mingo@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [uml-devel] SYSCALL, ptrace and syscall restart breakages (Re: [RFC] weird crap with vdso on uml/i386)
Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2011 17:52:07 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAObL_7GmMXPUE0Oix1CKTYzqheyJV+ua=WEBUQk5m-LGsvqihw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4E52B7F8.3050002@zytor.com>

On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 4:11 PM, H. Peter Anvin <hpa@zytor.com> wrote:
> On 08/22/2011 01:05 PM, Linus Torvalds wrote:
>> On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 8:13 AM, Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>> In __kernel_vsyscall() the problem is possible to deal with; there we control
>>> the code around that sucker.  It's SYSCALL in 32bit binary outside of
>>> vdso32 that causes real PITA...
>>
>> I just checked. 'syscall' (at least on x86-64) is definitely called
>> outside of __kernel_vsyscall in all the normal cases. It's part of the
>> fundamental ABI, after all. We don't use "int 0x80" there.
>>
>> But on x86-32, I think we might be better off. There, we only have
>> 'sysenter', and can perhaps use my suggested "just use int 0x80
>> instead of the jump back to the sysenter instruction" trick. Plus
>> people *will* be using __kernel_vsyscall, since on x86-32 you aren't
>> guaranteed to have a CPU that supports sysenter to begin with.
>>
>> Or am I missing something else?
>>
>
> SYSCALL in 64-bit mode is not a problem.
>
> SYSCALL in compatibility mode (32-on-64) *is* a problem, because ECX is
> clobbered.  Unfortunately AMD processors only support SYSENTER in legacy
> mode (32-on-32) -- unlike Intel and VIA.
>
> Your trick solves SYSENTER, which takes care of legacy mode and Intel
> and VIA processors in compatibility mode.
>
> Borislav is checking into if we can just use INT 80h on AMD processors
> in compatibility mode.  So far the indication seems to be that it is
> probably okay.

Even if it's ok, we still have to do *something* in the cstar entry
point -- I don't think there's any way to turn SYSCALL in
compatibility mode but leave it enabled in long mode.  So if we're
planning on killing off SYSCALL from outside the vdso, we could
probably get away with leaving it enabled in the vdso.

Unless, of course, there are 32-bit JITs that do things that they
shouldn't.  We could still make it work by rewriting the arguments
(including arg6 on the stack) from the syscall restart path, but that
may be more trouble than it's worth.

--Andy

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From: Andrew Lutomirski <luto@mit.edu>
To: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>, Borislav Petkov <bp@amd64.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>,
	"user-mode-linux-devel@lists.sourceforge.net"
	<user-mode-linux-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>,
	Richard Weinberger <richard@nod.at>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"mingo@redhat.com" <mingo@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [uml-devel] SYSCALL, ptrace and syscall restart breakages (Re: [RFC] weird crap with vdso on uml/i386)
Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2011 17:52:07 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAObL_7GmMXPUE0Oix1CKTYzqheyJV+ua=WEBUQk5m-LGsvqihw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4E52B7F8.3050002@zytor.com>

On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 4:11 PM, H. Peter Anvin <hpa@zytor.com> wrote:
> On 08/22/2011 01:05 PM, Linus Torvalds wrote:
>> On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 8:13 AM, Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>> In __kernel_vsyscall() the problem is possible to deal with; there we control
>>> the code around that sucker.  It's SYSCALL in 32bit binary outside of
>>> vdso32 that causes real PITA...
>>
>> I just checked. 'syscall' (at least on x86-64) is definitely called
>> outside of __kernel_vsyscall in all the normal cases. It's part of the
>> fundamental ABI, after all. We don't use "int 0x80" there.
>>
>> But on x86-32, I think we might be better off. There, we only have
>> 'sysenter', and can perhaps use my suggested "just use int 0x80
>> instead of the jump back to the sysenter instruction" trick. Plus
>> people *will* be using __kernel_vsyscall, since on x86-32 you aren't
>> guaranteed to have a CPU that supports sysenter to begin with.
>>
>> Or am I missing something else?
>>
>
> SYSCALL in 64-bit mode is not a problem.
>
> SYSCALL in compatibility mode (32-on-64) *is* a problem, because ECX is
> clobbered.  Unfortunately AMD processors only support SYSENTER in legacy
> mode (32-on-32) -- unlike Intel and VIA.
>
> Your trick solves SYSENTER, which takes care of legacy mode and Intel
> and VIA processors in compatibility mode.
>
> Borislav is checking into if we can just use INT 80h on AMD processors
> in compatibility mode.  So far the indication seems to be that it is
> probably okay.

Even if it's ok, we still have to do *something* in the cstar entry
point -- I don't think there's any way to turn SYSCALL in
compatibility mode but leave it enabled in long mode.  So if we're
planning on killing off SYSCALL from outside the vdso, we could
probably get away with leaving it enabled in the vdso.

Unless, of course, there are 32-bit JITs that do things that they
shouldn't.  We could still make it work by rewriting the arguments
(including arg6 on the stack) from the syscall restart path, but that
may be more trouble than it's worth.

--Andy
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Thread overview: 161+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-08-18 18:58 Subject: [PATCH 00/91] pending uml patches Al Viro
2011-08-18 18:58 ` [uml-devel] " Al Viro
2011-08-18 19:12 ` Richard Weinberger
2011-08-18 19:12   ` [uml-devel] " Richard Weinberger
2011-08-18 19:19   ` Al Viro
2011-08-18 19:19     ` [uml-devel] " Al Viro
2011-08-19  4:31     ` Al Viro
2011-08-19  8:51       ` Richard Weinberger
2011-08-19  8:51         ` [uml-devel] " Richard Weinberger
2011-08-20  1:18         ` [RFC] weird crap with vdso on uml/i386 Al Viro
2011-08-20 15:22           ` Richard Weinberger
2011-08-20 20:14             ` Al Viro
2011-08-20 20:14               ` [uml-devel] " Al Viro
2011-08-20 20:55               ` Richard Weinberger
2011-08-20 21:26                 ` Andrew Lutomirski
2011-08-20 21:26                   ` Andrew Lutomirski
2011-08-20 21:38                   ` Richard Weinberger
2011-08-20 21:38                     ` [uml-devel] " Richard Weinberger
2011-08-20 21:40                   ` Andrew Lutomirski
2011-08-20 21:40                     ` [uml-devel] " Andrew Lutomirski
2011-08-21  6:34                     ` Al Viro
2011-08-21  6:34                       ` [uml-devel] " Al Viro
2011-08-21  8:42                       ` SYSCALL, ptrace and syscall restart breakages (Re: [RFC] weird crap with vdso on uml/i386) Al Viro
2011-08-21  8:42                         ` [uml-devel] " Al Viro
2011-08-21 11:24                         ` Andrew Lutomirski
2011-08-21 11:24                           ` [uml-devel] " Andrew Lutomirski
2011-08-21 13:37                           ` Andrew Lutomirski
2011-08-21 13:37                             ` [uml-devel] " Andrew Lutomirski
2011-08-21 14:51                             ` Al Viro
2011-08-21 14:51                               ` [uml-devel] " Al Viro
2011-08-21 14:43                           ` Al Viro
2011-08-21 16:41                             ` Al Viro
2011-08-21 16:41                               ` [uml-devel] " Al Viro
2011-08-22  0:44                               ` Andrew Lutomirski
2011-08-22  0:44                                 ` Andrew Lutomirski
2011-08-22  1:09                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2011-08-22  1:19                                   ` Al Viro
2011-08-22  1:19                                     ` [uml-devel] " Al Viro
2011-08-22  1:19                                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-22  1:19                                     ` [uml-devel] " H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-22 21:25                                   ` [tip:x86/urgent] x86-32, vdso: On system call restart after SYSENTER, use int $0x80 tip-bot for H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-23 23:40                                   ` tip-bot for H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-22  1:16                                 ` SYSCALL, ptrace and syscall restart breakages (Re: [RFC] weird crap with vdso on uml/i386) Al Viro
2011-08-22  1:16                                   ` [uml-devel] " Al Viro
2011-08-22  1:41                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2011-08-22  1:41                                     ` [uml-devel] " Linus Torvalds
2011-08-22  1:48                                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-22  1:48                                       ` [uml-devel] " H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-22  2:01                                       ` Andrew Lutomirski
2011-08-22  2:01                                         ` [uml-devel] " Andrew Lutomirski
2011-08-22  2:07                                         ` Al Viro
2011-08-22  2:07                                           ` [uml-devel] " Al Viro
2011-08-22  2:26                                           ` Andrew Lutomirski
2011-08-22  2:26                                             ` [uml-devel] " Andrew Lutomirski
2011-08-22  2:34                                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-22  2:34                                               ` [uml-devel] " H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-22  4:05                                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-22  4:05                                               ` [uml-devel] " H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-22  9:53                                               ` Ingo Molnar
2011-08-22 13:34                                                 ` Andrew Lutomirski
2011-08-22 13:34                                                   ` Andrew Lutomirski
2011-08-22 14:40                                                   ` Borislav Petkov
2011-08-22 14:40                                                     ` Borislav Petkov
2011-08-22 15:13                                                     ` Al Viro
2011-08-22 15:13                                                       ` Al Viro
2011-08-22 20:05                                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2011-08-22 20:05                                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2011-08-22 20:11                                                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-22 20:11                                                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-22 21:52                                                           ` Andrew Lutomirski [this message]
2011-08-22 21:52                                                             ` Andrew Lutomirski
2011-08-22 22:04                                                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-22 22:04                                                               ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-22 23:27                                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2011-08-22 23:46                                                                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-22 23:46                                                                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-23  0:03                                                                 ` Al Viro
2011-08-23  0:03                                                                   ` Al Viro
2011-08-23  0:07                                                                   ` Al Viro
2011-08-23  0:07                                                                     ` Al Viro
2011-08-23  0:07                                                                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-23  0:07                                                                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-23  0:22                                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2011-08-23  0:22                                                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2011-08-23  1:01                                                                       ` Al Viro
2011-08-23  1:13                                                                         ` Al Viro
2011-08-23  1:13                                                                           ` Al Viro
2011-08-23  1:59                                                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2011-08-23  1:59                                                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2011-08-23  2:59                                                                             ` Al Viro
2011-08-23  2:59                                                                               ` Al Viro
2011-08-23  2:17                                                                           ` Al Viro
2011-08-23  6:15                                                                             ` Al Viro
2011-08-23 14:26                                                                               ` Borislav Petkov
2011-08-23 16:30                                                                                 ` Al Viro
2011-08-23 16:30                                                                                   ` Al Viro
2011-08-23 16:03                                                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2011-08-23 16:03                                                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2011-08-23 16:11                                                                                 ` Andrew Lutomirski
2011-08-23 16:11                                                                                   ` Andrew Lutomirski
2011-08-23 16:20                                                                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2011-08-23 16:20                                                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2011-08-23 17:33                                                                                     ` Al Viro
2011-08-23 17:33                                                                                       ` Al Viro
2011-08-23 18:04                                                                                       ` Al Viro
2011-08-23 18:04                                                                                         ` Al Viro
2011-08-24 12:44                                                                                       ` [PATCH] x86, asm: Document some of the syscall asm glue Borislav Petkov
2011-08-23 16:22                                                                                   ` [uml-devel] SYSCALL, ptrace and syscall restart breakages (Re: [RFC] weird crap with vdso on uml/i386) Borislav Petkov
2011-08-23 16:29                                                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2011-08-23 16:53                                                                                       ` Al Viro
2011-08-23 16:53                                                                                         ` Al Viro
2011-08-23 16:58                                                                                         ` Richard Weinberger
2011-08-23 16:58                                                                                           ` Richard Weinberger
2011-08-23 17:07                                                                                           ` Al Viro
2011-08-23 17:07                                                                                             ` Al Viro
2011-08-23 17:29                                                                                             ` Richard Weinberger
2011-08-23 17:29                                                                                               ` Richard Weinberger
2011-08-25  0:05                                                                                             ` Richard Weinberger
2011-08-23 19:15                                                                                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-23 19:15                                                                                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-23 20:56                                                                                       ` Borislav Petkov
2011-08-23 21:06                                                                                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-23 21:10                                                                                           ` Borislav Petkov
2011-08-23 23:04                                                                                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-23 23:04                                                                                               ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-24 21:10                                                                                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-24 21:10                                                                                               ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-23 16:48                                                                                 ` Al Viro
2011-08-23 16:48                                                                                   ` Al Viro
2011-08-23 17:33                                                                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2011-08-23 17:33                                                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2011-08-23 21:08                                                                                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-23 21:08                                                                                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-23 21:20                                                                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2011-08-23 21:20                                                                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2011-08-23 23:04                                                                                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-23 23:04                                                                                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-23 19:18                                                                                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-23 19:18                                                                                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-23 19:24                                                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2011-08-23 19:24                                                                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2011-08-23 19:26                                                                                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-23 19:26                                                                                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-23 19:41                                                                                       ` Al Viro
2011-08-23 19:41                                                                                         ` Al Viro
2011-08-23 19:43                                                                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2011-08-23 19:43                                                                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2011-08-23 21:17                                                                                           ` Al Viro
2011-08-23 21:17                                                                                             ` Al Viro
2011-08-23  1:16                                                                         ` Andrew Lutomirski
2011-08-23  1:18                                                                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-23  1:18                                                                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-22  4:07                                     ` Al Viro
2011-08-22  4:11                                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-22  4:11                                         ` [uml-devel] " H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-22  4:26                                         ` Al Viro
2011-08-22  4:26                                           ` [uml-devel] " Al Viro
2011-08-22  5:03                                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-22  5:03                                             ` [uml-devel] " H. Peter Anvin
2011-08-23  5:10                                             ` Andrew Lutomirski
2011-08-23  5:10                                               ` [uml-devel] " Andrew Lutomirski

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