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From: Laszlo Ersek <lersek@redhat.com>
To: Josh Triplett <josh@joshtriplett.org>
Cc: Matt Fleming <matt@console-pimps.org>,
	jerry.hoemann@hp.com, Andrew Fish <afish@apple.com>,
	edk2-devel@lists.sourceforge.net, linux-efi@vger.kernel.org,
	Gleb Natapov <gleb@redhat.com>,
	lkml <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org>,
	Matthew Garrett <mjg59@srcf.ucam.org>,
	Brian Richardson <brian.richardson@intel.com>,
	Colin Ian King <colin.king@canonical.com>,
	Randy Wright <rwright@hp.com>,
	Linn Crosetto <linn.crosetto@hp.com>,
	terry.lee@hp.com, samer.el-haj-mahmoud@hp.com,
	randy.pawell@hp.com, chrisp@hp.com, linda.knippers@hp.com,
	dong.wei@hp.com, "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>,
	Chao Zhang <chao.b.zhang@intel.com>,
	Yao Jiewen <jiewen.yao@intel.com>
Subject: Re: [edk2] Corrupted EFI region
Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2013 18:25:22 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <523730F2.40408@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20130916155751.GA3636@leaf>

On 09/16/13 17:57, Josh Triplett wrote:

>> The edk2 commit that flipped the memory type underneath the image data
>> from EfiReservedMemoryType to EfiBootServicesData is:
>>
>>     https://github.com/tianocore/edk2/commit/4c58575e
>>
>> I think this commit is wrong. It's fine for OSPM to release the image
>> data at some point, but not right after ExitBootServices(), because
>> referencing pointers in ACPI tables survive strictly longer.
>>
>> ... Actually, the commit does follow the ACPI spec 5.0:
>>
>> 5.2.22.4 Image Address
>>
>>     The Image Address contains the location in memory where an
>>     in-memory copy of the boot image can be found. The image should be
>>     stored in EfiBootServicesData, allowing the system to reclaim
>>     the memory when the image is no longer needed.
>>
>> The ACPI spec 5.0 should recommend EfiACPIReclaimMemory here IMO. (I
>> take the current wording ("should be stored") as a recommendation only.)
> 
> I agree that UEFI *should* store the BGRT in EfiACPIReclaimMemory, but
> in practice the UEFI firmware I've seen with a BGRT does follow that
> recommendation and store it in EfiBootServicesData.  So, even if the
> recommendation in the spec changed, the kernel would still have to
> accomodate both possibilities.

Just for the theoretical debate:

The edk2 commit linked above is 5 days old. All UEFI firmware in the
wild (on released hardware) should be using EfiReservedMemoryType (the
pre-patch memory type), which is even stricter.

EfiReservedMemoryType can never be released & repurposed, so it should
make no difference for crash kernel allocation, shouldn't it?

- call efi_free_boot_services() -- doesn't touch the image data (which
  is in RAM of EfiReservedMemoryType),
- reserve crash kernel,
- access BGRT via ACPI.

BGRT had appeared in edk2 with

  https://github.com/tianocore/edk2/commit/0284e90c

and EfiReservedMemoryType used to be the allocation type until commit
4c58575e.

Or are you alluding to UEFI firmware that's not based on TianoCore?

Laszlo

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Laszlo Ersek <lersek-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
To: Josh Triplett <josh-iaAMLnmF4UmaiuxdJuQwMA@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Matt Fleming
	<matt-HNK1S37rvNbeXh+fF434Mdi2O/JbrIOy@public.gmane.org>,
	jerry.hoemann-VXdhtT5mjnY@public.gmane.org,
	Andrew Fish <afish-2kanFRK1NckAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>,
	edk2-devel-5NWGOfrQmneRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org,
	linux-efi-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	Gleb Natapov <gleb-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	lkml <linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>,
	David Woodhouse <dwmw2-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org>,
	Matthew Garrett <mjg59-1xO5oi07KQx4cg9Nei1l7Q@public.gmane.org>,
	Brian Richardson
	<brian.richardson-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>,
	Colin Ian King
	<colin.king-Z7WLFzj8eWMS+FvcfC7Uqw@public.gmane.org>,
	Randy Wright <rwright-VXdhtT5mjnY@public.gmane.org>,
	Linn Crosetto <linn.crosetto-VXdhtT5mjnY@public.gmane.org>,
	terry.lee-VXdhtT5mjnY@public.gmane.org,
	samer.el-haj-mahmoud-VXdhtT5mjnY@public.gmane.org,
	randy.pawell-VXdhtT5mjnY@public.gmane.org,
	chrisp-VXdhtT5mjnY@public.gmane.org,
	linda.knippers-VXdhtT5mjnY@public.gmane.org,
	dong.wei-VXdhtT5mjnY@public.gmane.org,
	"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa-YMNOUZJC4hwAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>,
	Borislav Petkov <bp-Gina5bIWoIWzQB+pC5nmwQ@public.gmane.org>,
	Chao Zhang <chao.b.zhang-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>,
	Yao Jiewen <jiewen.yao-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [edk2] Corrupted EFI region
Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2013 18:25:22 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <523730F2.40408@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20130916155751.GA3636@leaf>

On 09/16/13 17:57, Josh Triplett wrote:

>> The edk2 commit that flipped the memory type underneath the image data
>> from EfiReservedMemoryType to EfiBootServicesData is:
>>
>>     https://github.com/tianocore/edk2/commit/4c58575e
>>
>> I think this commit is wrong. It's fine for OSPM to release the image
>> data at some point, but not right after ExitBootServices(), because
>> referencing pointers in ACPI tables survive strictly longer.
>>
>> ... Actually, the commit does follow the ACPI spec 5.0:
>>
>> 5.2.22.4 Image Address
>>
>>     The Image Address contains the location in memory where an
>>     in-memory copy of the boot image can be found. The image should be
>>     stored in EfiBootServicesData, allowing the system to reclaim
>>     the memory when the image is no longer needed.
>>
>> The ACPI spec 5.0 should recommend EfiACPIReclaimMemory here IMO. (I
>> take the current wording ("should be stored") as a recommendation only.)
> 
> I agree that UEFI *should* store the BGRT in EfiACPIReclaimMemory, but
> in practice the UEFI firmware I've seen with a BGRT does follow that
> recommendation and store it in EfiBootServicesData.  So, even if the
> recommendation in the spec changed, the kernel would still have to
> accomodate both possibilities.

Just for the theoretical debate:

The edk2 commit linked above is 5 days old. All UEFI firmware in the
wild (on released hardware) should be using EfiReservedMemoryType (the
pre-patch memory type), which is even stricter.

EfiReservedMemoryType can never be released & repurposed, so it should
make no difference for crash kernel allocation, shouldn't it?

- call efi_free_boot_services() -- doesn't touch the image data (which
  is in RAM of EfiReservedMemoryType),
- reserve crash kernel,
- access BGRT via ACPI.

BGRT had appeared in edk2 with

  https://github.com/tianocore/edk2/commit/0284e90c

and EfiReservedMemoryType used to be the allocation type until commit
4c58575e.

Or are you alluding to UEFI firmware that's not based on TianoCore?

Laszlo

  reply	other threads:[~2013-09-16 16:23 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 108+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-07-31 20:54 Corrupted EFI region Borislav Petkov
2013-07-31 20:54 ` Borislav Petkov
2013-07-31 20:58 ` Matthew Garrett
2013-07-31 20:58   ` Matthew Garrett
2013-07-31 21:51   ` Borislav Petkov
2013-07-31 21:51     ` Borislav Petkov
2013-07-31 21:54     ` Matthew Garrett
2013-07-31 21:54       ` Matthew Garrett
2013-08-01 16:51       ` Borislav Petkov
2013-08-01 16:51         ` Borislav Petkov
2013-07-31 21:55 ` David Woodhouse
2013-07-31 21:55   ` David Woodhouse
2013-08-01 16:49   ` Borislav Petkov
2013-08-01 16:49     ` Borislav Petkov
2013-08-05 11:27     ` [edk2] " Laszlo Ersek
2013-08-05 11:27       ` Laszlo Ersek
2013-08-05 13:02       ` Borislav Petkov
2013-08-05 13:02         ` Borislav Petkov
2013-08-05 13:39         ` Laszlo Ersek
2013-08-05 13:39           ` Laszlo Ersek
2013-08-05 14:03           ` Borislav Petkov
2013-08-05 14:03             ` Borislav Petkov
2013-08-05 14:27             ` Laszlo Ersek
2013-08-05 14:27               ` Laszlo Ersek
2013-08-05 14:40               ` Borislav Petkov
2013-08-05 14:40                 ` Borislav Petkov
2013-08-05 15:15                 ` Laszlo Ersek
2013-08-05 15:15                   ` Laszlo Ersek
2013-08-05 15:34                   ` James Bottomley
2013-08-05 15:34                     ` James Bottomley
2013-08-05 16:27                     ` Laszlo Ersek
2013-08-05 16:27                       ` Laszlo Ersek
2013-08-05 16:12                   ` Borislav Petkov
2013-08-05 16:12                     ` Borislav Petkov
2013-08-05 16:41                     ` Laszlo Ersek
2013-08-05 16:41                       ` Laszlo Ersek
2013-08-05 16:47                       ` Borislav Petkov
2013-08-05 16:47                         ` Borislav Petkov
2013-08-05 17:00                         ` Kinney, Michael D
2013-08-05 17:00                           ` Kinney, Michael D
2013-08-05 17:09                         ` Laszlo Ersek
2013-08-05 17:09                           ` Laszlo Ersek
2013-08-05 21:26                         ` Laszlo Ersek
2013-08-05 21:26                           ` Laszlo Ersek
2013-08-05 22:08                           ` Borislav Petkov
2013-08-05 22:08                             ` Borislav Petkov
2013-08-06 14:10                             ` Borislav Petkov
2013-08-06 14:10                               ` Borislav Petkov
2013-08-06 15:31                               ` Laszlo Ersek
2013-08-06 15:31                                 ` Laszlo Ersek
2013-08-07 15:19                                 ` Borislav Petkov
2013-08-07 17:23                                   ` Andrew Fish
2013-08-07 17:23                                     ` Andrew Fish
2013-08-07 20:19                                     ` Matt Fleming
2013-08-07 20:19                                       ` Matt Fleming
2013-08-07 20:24                                       ` Matt Fleming
2013-08-07 20:24                                         ` Matt Fleming
2013-08-07 21:10                                       ` Andrew Fish
2013-08-07 21:10                                         ` Andrew Fish
2013-08-07 21:23                                         ` Matthew Garrett
2013-08-08 10:17                                         ` Matt Fleming
2013-08-08 10:17                                           ` Matt Fleming
2013-08-08 13:46                                           ` Andrew Fish
2013-08-08 13:46                                             ` Andrew Fish
2013-09-02  8:19                                             ` Matt Fleming
2013-09-02  8:19                                               ` Matt Fleming
2013-09-13 20:38                                           ` jerry.hoemann
2013-09-13 20:38                                             ` jerry.hoemann-VXdhtT5mjnY
2013-09-16 10:59                                             ` Matt Fleming
2013-09-16 10:59                                               ` Matt Fleming
2013-09-16 11:50                                               ` Laszlo Ersek
2013-09-16 11:50                                                 ` Laszlo Ersek
2013-09-16 15:57                                                 ` Josh Triplett
2013-09-16 15:57                                                   ` Josh Triplett
2013-09-16 16:25                                                   ` Laszlo Ersek [this message]
2013-09-16 16:25                                                     ` Laszlo Ersek
2013-09-16 16:27                                                     ` Matthew Garrett
2013-09-16 16:27                                                       ` Matthew Garrett
2013-09-16 16:29                                                     ` Josh Triplett
2013-09-16 16:29                                                       ` Josh Triplett
2013-09-18 19:24                                               ` jerry.hoemann
2013-09-18 19:24                                                 ` jerry.hoemann-VXdhtT5mjnY
2013-09-20  9:06                                                 ` Matt Fleming
2013-09-20  9:06                                                   ` Matt Fleming
2013-08-07 17:49                                   ` Laszlo Ersek
2013-08-07 17:49                                     ` Laszlo Ersek
2013-08-08 15:02                                     ` Borislav Petkov
2013-08-08 15:02                                       ` Borislav Petkov
2013-08-08 21:45                                       ` Brian J. Johnson
2013-08-08 21:45                                         ` Brian J. Johnson
2013-08-18  7:33                                     ` Jordan Justen
2013-08-18  7:33                                       ` Jordan Justen
2013-08-05 15:50                 ` Andrew Fish
2013-08-05 15:50                   ` Andrew Fish
2013-08-05 18:12                   ` Borislav Petkov
2013-08-05 18:12                     ` Borislav Petkov
2013-08-05 21:37                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-08-05 21:37                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-08-05 21:41                       ` Borislav Petkov
2013-08-05 21:41                         ` Borislav Petkov
2013-08-05 21:49                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-08-05 21:49                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-08-05 21:55                         ` Laszlo Ersek
2013-08-05 21:55                           ` Laszlo Ersek
2013-08-05 22:52                           ` James Bottomley
2013-08-05 22:52                             ` James Bottomley
2013-08-06  7:26                             ` Laszlo Ersek
2013-08-06  7:26                               ` Laszlo Ersek

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