From: Satoru Moriya <satoru.moriya@hds.com> To: David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com> Cc: Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>, Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>, Randy Dunlap <rdunlap@xenotime.net>, Satoru Moriya <smoriya@redhat.com>, "linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>, "linux-mm@kvack.org" <linux-mm@kvack.org>, "lwoodman@redhat.com" <lwoodman@redhat.com>, Seiji Aguchi <saguchi@redhat.com>, "hughd@google.com" <hughd@google.com>, "hannes@cmpxchg.org" <hannes@cmpxchg.org> Subject: RE: [PATCH -v2 -mm] add extra free kbytes tunable Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 22:04:09 -0400 [thread overview] Message-ID: <65795E11DBF1E645A09CEC7EAEE94B9CB4F747B3@USINDEVS02.corp.hds.com> (raw) In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1110231419070.17218@chino.kir.corp.google.com> saOn 10/23/2011 05:22 PM, David Rientjes wrote: > On Fri, 21 Oct 2011, Satoru Moriya wrote: > >> We do. >> Basically we need this kind of feature for almost all our latency >> sensitive applications to avoid latency issue in memory allocation. >> > > These are all realtime? Do you mean that these are all realtime process? If so, answer is depending on the situation. In the some situations, we can set these applications as rt-task. But the other situation, e.g. using some middlewares, package softwares etc, we can't set them as rt-task because they are not built for running as rt-task. And also it is difficult to rebuilt them for working as rt-task because they usually have huge code base. >> Currently we run those applications on custom kernels which this >> kind of patch is applied to. But it is hard for us to support every >> kernel version for it. Also there are several customers who can't >> accept a custom kernel and so they must use other commercial Unix. >> If this feature is accepted, they will definitely use it on their >> systems. >> > > That's precisely the problem, it's behavior is going to vary widely from > version to version as the implementation changes for reclaim and > compaction. I think we can do much better with the priority of kswapd and > reclaiming above the high watermark for threads that need a surplus of > extra memory because they are realtime, two things we can easily do. As I reported another mail, changing kswapd priority does not mitigate even my simple testcase very much. Of course, reclaiming above the high wmark may solve the issue on some workloads but if an application can allocate memory more than high wmark - min wmark which is extended and fast enough, latency issue will happen. Unless this latency concern is fixed, customers doesn't use vanilla kernel. Regards, Satoru
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From: Satoru Moriya <satoru.moriya@hds.com> To: David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com> Cc: Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>, Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>, Randy Dunlap <rdunlap@xenotime.net>, Satoru Moriya <smoriya@redhat.com>, "linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>, "linux-mm@kvack.org" <linux-mm@kvack.org>, "lwoodman@redhat.com" <lwoodman@redhat.com>, Seiji Aguchi <saguchi@redhat.com>, "hughd@google.com" <hughd@google.com>, "hannes@cmpxchg.org" <hannes@cmpxchg.org> Subject: RE: [PATCH -v2 -mm] add extra free kbytes tunable Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 22:04:09 -0400 [thread overview] Message-ID: <65795E11DBF1E645A09CEC7EAEE94B9CB4F747B3@USINDEVS02.corp.hds.com> (raw) In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1110231419070.17218@chino.kir.corp.google.com> saOn 10/23/2011 05:22 PM, David Rientjes wrote: > On Fri, 21 Oct 2011, Satoru Moriya wrote: > >> We do. >> Basically we need this kind of feature for almost all our latency >> sensitive applications to avoid latency issue in memory allocation. >> > > These are all realtime? Do you mean that these are all realtime process? If so, answer is depending on the situation. In the some situations, we can set these applications as rt-task. But the other situation, e.g. using some middlewares, package softwares etc, we can't set them as rt-task because they are not built for running as rt-task. And also it is difficult to rebuilt them for working as rt-task because they usually have huge code base. >> Currently we run those applications on custom kernels which this >> kind of patch is applied to. But it is hard for us to support every >> kernel version for it. Also there are several customers who can't >> accept a custom kernel and so they must use other commercial Unix. >> If this feature is accepted, they will definitely use it on their >> systems. >> > > That's precisely the problem, it's behavior is going to vary widely from > version to version as the implementation changes for reclaim and > compaction. I think we can do much better with the priority of kswapd and > reclaiming above the high watermark for threads that need a surplus of > extra memory because they are realtime, two things we can easily do. As I reported another mail, changing kswapd priority does not mitigate even my simple testcase very much. Of course, reclaiming above the high wmark may solve the issue on some workloads but if an application can allocate memory more than high wmark - min wmark which is extended and fast enough, latency issue will happen. Unless this latency concern is fixed, customers doesn't use vanilla kernel. Regards, Satoru -- To unsubscribe, send a message with 'unsubscribe linux-mm' in the body to majordomo@kvack.org. For more info on Linux MM, see: http://www.linux-mm.org/ . Fight unfair telecom internet charges in Canada: sign http://stopthemeter.ca/ Don't email: <a href=mailto:"dont@kvack.org"> email@kvack.org </a>
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2011-10-25 2:05 UTC|newest] Thread overview: 102+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top 2011-09-01 14:52 [PATCH -mm] add extra free kbytes tunable Rik van Riel 2011-09-01 14:52 ` Rik van Riel 2011-09-01 17:06 ` Randy Dunlap 2011-09-01 17:06 ` Randy Dunlap 2011-09-01 19:26 ` [PATCH -v2 " Rik van Riel 2011-09-01 19:26 ` Rik van Riel 2011-09-01 21:58 ` Andrew Morton 2011-09-01 21:58 ` Andrew Morton 2011-09-01 22:08 ` David Rientjes 2011-09-01 22:08 ` David Rientjes 2011-09-01 22:16 ` Andrew Morton 2011-09-01 22:16 ` Andrew Morton 2011-09-02 16:31 ` Satoru Moriya 2011-09-02 16:31 ` Satoru Moriya 2011-10-13 7:33 ` Minchan Kim 2011-10-13 7:33 ` Minchan Kim 2011-10-13 8:09 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki 2011-10-13 8:09 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki [not found] ` <E1FA588BC672D846BDBB452FCA1E308C2389B4@USINDEVS02.corp.hds.com> 2011-09-15 3:33 ` Satoru Moriya 2011-09-15 3:33 ` Satoru Moriya 2011-09-01 22:09 ` Andrew Morton 2011-09-01 22:09 ` Andrew Morton 2011-09-02 16:26 ` [PATCH -mm] fixes & cleanups for "add extra free kbytes tunable" Rik van Riel 2011-09-02 16:26 ` Rik van Riel 2011-09-30 21:43 ` [PATCH -v2 -mm] add extra free kbytes tunable Johannes Weiner 2011-09-30 21:43 ` Johannes Weiner 2011-10-08 3:08 ` David Rientjes 2011-10-08 3:08 ` David Rientjes 2011-10-10 22:37 ` Andrew Morton 2011-10-10 22:37 ` Andrew Morton 2011-10-11 19:32 ` Satoru Moriya 2011-10-11 19:32 ` Satoru Moriya 2011-10-11 19:54 ` Andrew Morton 2011-10-11 19:54 ` Andrew Morton 2011-10-11 20:23 ` Satoru Moriya 2011-10-11 20:23 ` Satoru Moriya 2011-10-11 20:54 ` Andrew Morton 2011-10-11 20:54 ` Andrew Morton 2011-10-12 13:09 ` Rik van Riel 2011-10-12 13:09 ` Rik van Riel 2011-10-12 19:20 ` Andrew Morton 2011-10-12 19:20 ` Andrew Morton 2011-10-12 19:58 ` Rik van Riel 2011-10-12 19:58 ` Rik van Riel 2011-10-12 20:26 ` David Rientjes 2011-10-12 20:26 ` David Rientjes 2011-10-21 23:48 ` Satoru Moriya 2011-10-21 23:48 ` Satoru Moriya 2011-10-23 21:22 ` David Rientjes 2011-10-23 21:22 ` David Rientjes 2011-10-25 2:04 ` Satoru Moriya [this message] 2011-10-25 2:04 ` Satoru Moriya 2011-10-25 21:50 ` David Rientjes 2011-10-25 21:50 ` David Rientjes 2011-10-26 18:59 ` Satoru Moriya 2011-10-26 18:59 ` Satoru Moriya 2011-10-12 21:08 ` Satoru Moriya 2011-10-12 21:08 ` Satoru Moriya 2011-10-12 22:41 ` David Rientjes 2011-10-12 22:41 ` David Rientjes 2011-10-12 23:52 ` Satoru Moriya 2011-10-12 23:52 ` Satoru Moriya 2011-10-13 0:01 ` David Rientjes 2011-10-13 0:01 ` David Rientjes 2011-10-13 5:35 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki 2011-10-13 5:35 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki 2011-10-13 20:55 ` David Rientjes 2011-10-13 20:55 ` David Rientjes 2011-10-14 22:16 ` Satoru Moriya 2011-10-14 22:16 ` Satoru Moriya 2011-10-14 22:46 ` David Rientjes 2011-10-14 22:46 ` David Rientjes 2011-10-14 5:32 ` Satoru Moriya 2011-10-14 5:32 ` Satoru Moriya 2011-10-14 5:06 ` Satoru Moriya 2011-10-14 5:06 ` Satoru Moriya 2011-10-11 23:22 ` David Rientjes 2011-10-11 23:22 ` David Rientjes 2011-10-13 16:54 ` Satoru Moriya 2011-10-13 16:54 ` Satoru Moriya 2011-10-13 20:48 ` David Rientjes 2011-10-13 20:48 ` David Rientjes 2011-10-13 21:11 ` Rik van Riel 2011-10-13 21:11 ` Rik van Riel 2011-10-13 22:02 ` David Rientjes 2011-10-13 22:02 ` David Rientjes 2011-10-11 19:20 ` Satoru Moriya 2011-10-11 19:20 ` Satoru Moriya 2011-10-11 21:04 ` David Rientjes 2011-10-11 21:04 ` David Rientjes 2011-10-12 13:13 ` Rik van Riel 2011-10-12 13:13 ` Rik van Riel 2011-10-12 20:21 ` David Rientjes 2011-10-12 20:21 ` David Rientjes 2011-10-13 4:13 ` Rik van Riel 2011-10-13 4:13 ` Rik van Riel 2011-10-13 5:22 ` David Rientjes 2011-10-13 5:22 ` David Rientjes 2011-10-22 0:11 ` Satoru Moriya 2011-10-22 0:11 ` Satoru Moriya 2011-09-09 23:01 Satoru Moriya 2011-09-09 23:01 ` Satoru Moriya
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