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From: Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>
To: christophe leroy <christophe.leroy@c-s.fr>
Cc: Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>,
	Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>,
	Paul Mackerras <paulus@samba.org>,
	Michael Ellerman <mpe@ellerman.id.au>,
	Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Vincenzo Frascino <vincenzo.frascino@arm.com>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linuxppc-dev <linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org>,
	linux-arm-kernel <linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org>,
	"open list:MIPS" <linux-mips@vger.kernel.org>,
	X86 ML <x86@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v2 07/10] lib: vdso: don't use READ_ONCE() in __c_kernel_time()
Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2019 20:04:33 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <98C1F790-7647-4203-9B31-4B8FED8CCA12@amacapital.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <abc4b4a6-d355-4dfd-a207-603e877b2b23@c-s.fr>


> On Dec 24, 2019, at 7:12 PM, christophe leroy <christophe.leroy@c-s.fr> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> Le 24/12/2019 à 02:58, Andy Lutomirski a écrit :
>>> On Mon, Dec 23, 2019 at 6:31 AM Christophe Leroy
>>> <christophe.leroy@c-s.fr> wrote:
>>> 
>>> READ_ONCE() forces the read of the 64 bit value of
>>> vd[CS_HRES_COARSE].basetime[CLOCK_REALTIME].sec allthough
>>> only the lower part is needed.
>> Seems reasonable and very unlikely to be harmful.  That being said,
>> this function really ought to be considered deprecated -- 32-bit
>> time_t is insufficient.
>> Do you get even better code if you move the read into the if statement?
> 
> Euh ...
> 
> How can you return t when time pointer is NULL if you read t only when time pointer is not NULL ?
> 
> 

Duh, never mind.

But this means your patch may be buggy: you need to make sure the compiler returns the *same* value it stores. Maybe you’re saved by the potential aliasing between the data page and the passed parameter and the value you read, but that’sa bad thing to rely on.

Try barrier() after the read.

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>
To: christophe leroy <christophe.leroy@c-s.fr>
Cc: Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>, X86 ML <x86@kernel.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"open list:MIPS" <linux-mips@vger.kernel.org>,
	Paul Mackerras <paulus@samba.org>,
	Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Vincenzo Frascino <vincenzo.frascino@arm.com>,
	linuxppc-dev <linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org>,
	linux-arm-kernel <linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v2 07/10] lib: vdso: don't use READ_ONCE() in __c_kernel_time()
Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2019 20:04:33 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <98C1F790-7647-4203-9B31-4B8FED8CCA12@amacapital.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <abc4b4a6-d355-4dfd-a207-603e877b2b23@c-s.fr>


> On Dec 24, 2019, at 7:12 PM, christophe leroy <christophe.leroy@c-s.fr> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> Le 24/12/2019 à 02:58, Andy Lutomirski a écrit :
>>> On Mon, Dec 23, 2019 at 6:31 AM Christophe Leroy
>>> <christophe.leroy@c-s.fr> wrote:
>>> 
>>> READ_ONCE() forces the read of the 64 bit value of
>>> vd[CS_HRES_COARSE].basetime[CLOCK_REALTIME].sec allthough
>>> only the lower part is needed.
>> Seems reasonable and very unlikely to be harmful.  That being said,
>> this function really ought to be considered deprecated -- 32-bit
>> time_t is insufficient.
>> Do you get even better code if you move the read into the if statement?
> 
> Euh ...
> 
> How can you return t when time pointer is NULL if you read t only when time pointer is not NULL ?
> 
> 

Duh, never mind.

But this means your patch may be buggy: you need to make sure the compiler returns the *same* value it stores. Maybe you’re saved by the potential aliasing between the data page and the passed parameter and the value you read, but that’sa bad thing to rely on.

Try barrier() after the read.

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>
To: christophe leroy <christophe.leroy@c-s.fr>
Cc: Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>,
	Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>,
	X86 ML <x86@kernel.org>, LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"open list:MIPS" <linux-mips@vger.kernel.org>,
	Paul Mackerras <paulus@samba.org>,
	Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>,
	Michael Ellerman <mpe@ellerman.id.au>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Vincenzo Frascino <vincenzo.frascino@arm.com>,
	linuxppc-dev <linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org>,
	linux-arm-kernel <linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v2 07/10] lib: vdso: don't use READ_ONCE() in __c_kernel_time()
Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2019 20:04:33 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <98C1F790-7647-4203-9B31-4B8FED8CCA12@amacapital.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <abc4b4a6-d355-4dfd-a207-603e877b2b23@c-s.fr>


> On Dec 24, 2019, at 7:12 PM, christophe leroy <christophe.leroy@c-s.fr> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> Le 24/12/2019 à 02:58, Andy Lutomirski a écrit :
>>> On Mon, Dec 23, 2019 at 6:31 AM Christophe Leroy
>>> <christophe.leroy@c-s.fr> wrote:
>>> 
>>> READ_ONCE() forces the read of the 64 bit value of
>>> vd[CS_HRES_COARSE].basetime[CLOCK_REALTIME].sec allthough
>>> only the lower part is needed.
>> Seems reasonable and very unlikely to be harmful.  That being said,
>> this function really ought to be considered deprecated -- 32-bit
>> time_t is insufficient.
>> Do you get even better code if you move the read into the if statement?
> 
> Euh ...
> 
> How can you return t when time pointer is NULL if you read t only when time pointer is not NULL ?
> 
> 

Duh, never mind.

But this means your patch may be buggy: you need to make sure the compiler returns the *same* value it stores. Maybe you’re saved by the potential aliasing between the data page and the passed parameter and the value you read, but that’sa bad thing to rely on.

Try barrier() after the read.
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Thread overview: 137+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-12-23 14:31 [RFC PATCH v2 00/10] powerpc/32: switch VDSO to C implementation Christophe Leroy
2019-12-23 14:31 ` Christophe Leroy
2019-12-23 14:31 ` Christophe Leroy
2019-12-23 14:31 ` [RFC PATCH v2 01/10] lib: vdso: ensure all arches have 32bit fallback Christophe Leroy
2019-12-23 14:31   ` Christophe Leroy
2019-12-23 14:31   ` Christophe Leroy
2019-12-24  2:07   ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-12-24  2:07     ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-12-24  2:07     ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-01-10 20:56     ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-01-10 20:56       ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-01-10 20:56       ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-01-10 21:02       ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-01-10 21:02         ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-01-10 21:02         ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-12-25  2:05   ` kbuild test robot
2019-12-25  6:01   ` kbuild test robot
2019-12-30 12:27   ` Arnd Bergmann
2019-12-30 12:27     ` Arnd Bergmann
2019-12-30 12:27     ` Arnd Bergmann
2020-01-02 11:29     ` Arnd Bergmann
2020-01-02 11:29       ` Arnd Bergmann
2020-01-02 11:29       ` Arnd Bergmann
2020-01-09 15:43       ` Christophe Leroy
2020-01-09 15:43         ` Christophe Leroy
2020-01-09 15:43         ` Christophe Leroy
2019-12-23 14:31 ` [RFC PATCH v2 02/10] lib: vdso: move call to fallback out of common code Christophe Leroy
2019-12-23 14:31   ` Christophe Leroy
2019-12-23 14:31   ` Christophe Leroy
2019-12-24  2:24   ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-12-24  2:24     ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-12-24  2:24     ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-12-24 11:41     ` christophe leroy
2019-12-24 11:41       ` christophe leroy
2019-12-24 11:41       ` christophe leroy
2019-12-24 12:09       ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-12-24 12:09         ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-12-24 12:09         ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-12-25  2:19   ` kbuild test robot
2019-12-23 14:31 ` [RFC PATCH v2 03/10] lib: vdso: Change __cvdso_clock_gettime/getres_common() to __cvdso_clock_gettime/getres() Christophe Leroy
2019-12-23 14:31   ` Christophe Leroy
2019-12-23 14:31   ` Christophe Leroy
2019-12-23 14:31 ` [RFC PATCH v2 04/10] lib: vdso: get pointer to vdso data from the arch Christophe Leroy
2019-12-23 14:31   ` Christophe Leroy
2019-12-23 14:31   ` Christophe Leroy
2019-12-24  2:27   ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-12-24  2:27     ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-12-24  2:27     ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-12-24 11:53     ` christophe leroy
2019-12-24 11:53       ` christophe leroy
2019-12-24 11:53       ` christophe leroy
2019-12-24 12:15       ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-12-24 12:15         ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-12-24 12:15         ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-12-24 12:41         ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-12-24 12:41           ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-12-24 12:41           ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-12-24 14:46         ` Segher Boessenkool
2019-12-24 14:46           ` Segher Boessenkool
2019-12-24 14:46           ` Segher Boessenkool
2019-12-23 14:31 ` [RFC PATCH v2 05/10] lib: vdso: inline do_hres() Christophe Leroy
2019-12-23 14:31   ` Christophe Leroy
2019-12-23 14:31   ` Christophe Leroy
2019-12-24  2:29   ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-12-24  2:29     ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-12-24  2:29     ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-12-30 12:07   ` Arnd Bergmann
2019-12-30 12:07     ` Arnd Bergmann
2019-12-30 12:07     ` Arnd Bergmann
2020-01-10 21:07     ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-01-10 21:07       ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-01-10 21:07       ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-01-11  9:06       ` Christophe Leroy
2020-01-11  9:06         ` Christophe Leroy
2020-01-11  9:06         ` Christophe Leroy
2019-12-23 14:31 ` [RFC PATCH v2 06/10] lib: vdso: make do_coarse() return 0 Christophe Leroy
2019-12-23 14:31   ` Christophe Leroy
2019-12-23 14:31   ` Christophe Leroy
2019-12-23 14:31 ` [RFC PATCH v2 07/10] lib: vdso: don't use READ_ONCE() in __c_kernel_time() Christophe Leroy
2019-12-23 14:31   ` Christophe Leroy
2019-12-23 14:31   ` Christophe Leroy
2019-12-24  1:58   ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-12-24  1:58     ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-12-24  1:58     ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-12-24 11:12     ` christophe leroy
2019-12-24 11:12       ` christophe leroy
2019-12-24 11:12       ` christophe leroy
2019-12-24 12:04       ` Andy Lutomirski [this message]
2019-12-24 12:04         ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-12-24 12:04         ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-01-10 21:12   ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-01-10 21:12     ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-01-10 21:12     ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-01-11  8:05     ` Christophe Leroy
2020-01-11  8:05       ` Christophe Leroy
2020-01-11  8:05       ` Christophe Leroy
2020-01-11 11:07       ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-01-11 11:07         ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-01-11 11:07         ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-01-13  6:52         ` Christophe Leroy
2020-01-13  6:52           ` Christophe Leroy
2020-01-13  6:52           ` Christophe Leroy
2019-12-23 14:31 ` [RFC PATCH v2 08/10] lib: vdso: Avoid duplication in __cvdso_clock_getres() Christophe Leroy
2019-12-23 14:31   ` Christophe Leroy
2019-12-23 14:31   ` Christophe Leroy
2019-12-24  1:59   ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-12-24  1:59     ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-12-24  1:59     ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-12-23 14:31 ` [RFC PATCH v2 09/10] powerpc/vdso32: inline __get_datapage() Christophe Leroy
2019-12-23 14:31   ` Christophe Leroy
2019-12-23 14:31   ` Christophe Leroy
2019-12-23 14:31 ` [RFC PATCH v2 10/10] powerpc/32: Switch VDSO to C implementation Christophe Leroy
2019-12-23 14:31   ` Christophe Leroy
2019-12-23 14:31   ` Christophe Leroy
2019-12-25  6:54   ` kbuild test robot
2020-01-09 17:52 ` Surprising code generated for vdso_read_begin() Christophe Leroy
2020-01-09 20:07   ` Segher Boessenkool
2020-01-09 20:07     ` Segher Boessenkool
2020-01-09 20:07     ` Segher Boessenkool
2020-01-10  6:45     ` Christophe Leroy
2020-01-10  6:45       ` Christophe Leroy
2020-01-10  6:45       ` Christophe Leroy
2020-01-11 11:33       ` Segher Boessenkool
2020-01-11 11:33         ` Segher Boessenkool
2020-01-11 11:33         ` Segher Boessenkool
2020-02-16 18:10         ` Arnd Bergmann
2020-02-16 18:10           ` Arnd Bergmann
2020-02-16 18:10           ` Arnd Bergmann
2020-02-19  8:45           ` Christophe Leroy
2020-02-19  8:45             ` Christophe Leroy
2020-02-19  8:45             ` Christophe Leroy
2020-02-19  9:52             ` Arnd Bergmann
2020-02-19  9:52               ` Arnd Bergmann
2020-02-19  9:52               ` Arnd Bergmann
2020-02-19 13:08               ` Segher Boessenkool
2020-02-19 13:08                 ` Segher Boessenkool
2020-02-19 13:08                 ` Segher Boessenkool

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