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From: Rainer Fiebig <jrf@mailbox.org>
To: Josh Triplett <josh@joshtriplett.org>
Cc: james.bottomley@hansenpartnership.com,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org
Subject: Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [PATCH 1/2] code-of-conduct: Fix the ambiguity about collecting email addresses
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2018 09:08:20 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <e1389e7f-590c-cb10-0fbe-db8d6c366b83@mailbox.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20181009185622.GA20960@localhost>

Josh Triplett schrieb:
> On Tue, Oct 09, 2018 at 08:29:24PM +0200, Rainer Fiebig wrote:
>> Am Montag, 8. Oktober 2018, 08:20:44 schrieb Josh Triplett:
>>> On Sat, Oct 06, 2018 at 02:36:39PM -0700, James Bottomley wrote:
>>>> The current code of conduct has an ambiguity in the it considers publishing
>>>> private information such as email addresses unacceptable behaviour.  Since
>>>> the Linux kernel collects and publishes email addresses as part of the patch
>>>> process, add an exception clause for email addresses ordinarily collected by
>>>> the project to correct this ambiguity.
>>>
>>> Upstream has now adopted a FAQ, which addresses this and many other
>>> questions. See https://www.contributor-covenant.org/faq .
>>>
>>> Might I suggest adding that link to the bottom of the document, instead?
>>> (And then, optionally, submitting entries for that FAQ.)
>>>
>>
>> The Code of Conflict has 28 lines, including the heading. 
>> The Code of Conduct has 81 lines, including the heading. And it needs a FAQ. Hm.
> 

> Yes, it turns out to be a more complicated problem than it was
> previously oversimplified to. People don't automatically share a common
> understanding.
> 

I don't know what that complicated problem was. The commit message is a bit vaque in that respect.
But I bet that in the end it *was* simple. And it probably wasn't that people felt discriminated
because of their "body size".

I also think that people actually do share a common understanding. Otherwise *no* CoC would work -
however explicit it would be. We're not that different after all.

A CoC that needs a FAQ to be understood may create more problems that it solves.

So long!


Rainer Fiebig

  parent reply	other threads:[~2018-10-10  7:07 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 93+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-10-06 21:35 [Ksummit-discuss] [PATCH 0/2] code of conduct fixes James Bottomley
2018-10-06 21:35 ` James Bottomley
2018-10-06 21:36 ` [Ksummit-discuss] [PATCH 1/2] code-of-conduct: Fix the ambiguity about collecting email addresses James Bottomley
2018-10-06 21:36   ` James Bottomley
2018-10-07  8:25   ` [Ksummit-discuss] " Geert Uytterhoeven
2018-10-07  8:25     ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2018-10-07 15:25     ` Shuah Khan
2018-10-07 15:25       ` Shuah Khan
2018-10-07  9:04   ` Daniel Vetter
2018-10-07  9:04     ` Daniel Vetter
2018-10-07  9:54     ` Hannes Reinecke
2018-10-07 15:29     ` James Bottomley
2018-10-08 19:49       ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2018-10-08 19:49         ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2018-10-07 17:53   ` Guenter Roeck
2018-10-07 22:25   ` Dave Airlie
2018-10-07 22:25     ` Dave Airlie
2018-10-07 22:56     ` Al Viro
2018-10-07 23:02       ` Al Viro
2018-10-07 23:37       ` Dave Airlie
2018-10-08 10:14         ` Mark Brown
2018-10-08 10:14           ` Mark Brown
2018-10-08 19:32         ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2018-10-08 19:32           ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2018-10-08 17:05       ` Luck, Tony
2018-10-08 17:05         ` Luck, Tony
2018-10-08 14:08     ` James Bottomley
2018-10-10 16:36     ` Pavel Machek
2018-10-10 16:36       ` Pavel Machek
2018-10-08 15:20   ` Josh Triplett
2018-10-08 15:20     ` Josh Triplett
2018-10-08 15:30     ` James Bottomley
2018-10-08 19:23       ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2018-10-08 19:23         ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2018-10-08 19:57         ` Josh Triplett
2018-10-09 10:55           ` Mark Brown
2018-10-09 18:29     ` Rainer Fiebig
2018-10-09 18:56       ` Josh Triplett
2018-10-09 19:38         ` Laurent Pinchart
2018-10-09 19:38           ` Laurent Pinchart
2018-10-09 19:44           ` James Bottomley
2018-10-10  7:22             ` Rainer Fiebig
2018-10-10  5:52           ` Rainer Fiebig
2018-10-10  7:08         ` Rainer Fiebig [this message]
2018-10-08 19:24   ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2018-10-08 19:24     ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2018-10-10 20:48   ` Frank Rowand
2018-10-06 21:37 ` [Ksummit-discuss] [PATCH 2/2] code-of-conduct: Strip the enforcement paragraph pending community discussion James Bottomley
2018-10-06 21:37   ` James Bottomley
2018-10-06 21:43   ` [Ksummit-discuss] " Tim.Bird
2018-10-06 21:43     ` Tim.Bird
2018-10-07  3:33     ` James Bottomley
2018-10-08 13:51       ` Tim.Bird
2018-10-08 13:51         ` Tim.Bird
2018-10-08 14:09         ` James Bottomley
2018-10-08 17:58           ` Tim.Bird
2018-10-08 17:58             ` Tim.Bird
2018-10-08 18:11             ` James Bottomley
2018-10-08 18:54               ` Tim.Bird
2018-10-08 18:54                 ` Tim.Bird
2018-10-08 15:03         ` jonsmirl
2018-10-08 15:03           ` jonsmirl
2018-10-08 15:37       ` Alan Cox
2018-10-08 15:37         ` Alan Cox
2018-10-11  7:42         ` Dan Carpenter
2018-10-07 15:32   ` Shuah Khan
2018-10-07 15:32     ` Shuah Khan
2018-10-07 17:56   ` Guenter Roeck
2018-10-07 19:51   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2018-10-07 19:51     ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2018-10-08 18:15   ` Chris Mason
2018-10-08 18:15     ` Chris Mason
2018-10-08 19:04     ` [Ksummit-discuss] " Josh Triplett
2018-10-08 20:23   ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2018-10-08 20:23     ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2018-10-10 15:53     ` Alan Cox
2018-10-10 15:53       ` Alan Cox
2018-10-10 17:19       ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2018-10-10 17:19         ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2018-10-10 20:09         ` Alan Cox
2018-10-10 20:09           ` Alan Cox
2018-10-10 20:30           ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2018-10-10 20:30             ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2018-10-10 20:32           ` Dave Airlie
2018-10-07 17:11 ` [Ksummit-discuss] [PATCH 0/2] code of conduct fixes Daniel Vetter
2018-10-07 17:11   ` Daniel Vetter
2018-10-07 17:40   ` James Bottomley
2018-10-07 17:50     ` jonsmirl
2018-10-07 17:50       ` jonsmirl
2018-10-07 17:52     ` Daniel Vetter
2018-10-10 16:12     ` Pavel Machek
2018-10-10 16:12       ` Pavel Machek
2018-10-10 16:25       ` Randy Dunlap

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