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From: Mauro Carvalho Chehab <mchehab+samsung@kernel.org>
To: Alan Cox <gnomes@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>
Cc: James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com>,
	linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org
Subject: Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [PATCH 2/2] code-of-conduct: Strip the enforcement paragraph pending community discussion
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2018 14:19:17 -0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20181010141917.611fb5d8@coco.lan> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20181010165308.187aae51@alans-desktop>

Em Wed, 10 Oct 2018 16:53:08 +0100
Alan Cox <gnomes@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk> escreveu:

> > -Maintainers have the right and responsibility to remove, edit, or reject
> > +Maintainers may remove, edit, or reject
> >  comments, commits, code, wiki edits, issues, and other contributions that are
> >  not aligned to this Code of Conduct, or to ban temporarily or permanently any
> >  contributor for other behaviors that they deem inappropriate, threatening,
> > 
> > The previous text seems too much legal for my taste.
> >   
> 
> That is just as confusing. Maintainers have the right to remove, edit,
> reject commits that *are* aligned with the code as well.

Good point. Yeah, a maintainer can do whatever he thinks it is 
appropriate for a patch - even when it follows the CoC.

> So what exactly is the point here ?

The point is "responsibility" - that sounds like it is bounding a legal
duty to a maintainer.

While this makes sense for Github (as the company doesn't want to be
responsible for sanitizing every single post), this doesn't work for
e-mail based workflow, where the message is stored on a distributed
way, as a maintainer can't "remove, edit or reject" an e-mail.

Thanks,
Mauro

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From: Mauro Carvalho Chehab <mchehab+samsung@kernel.org>
To: Alan Cox <gnomes@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>
Cc: James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com>,
	ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org,
	linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [PATCH 2/2] code-of-conduct: Strip the enforcement paragraph pending community discussion
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2018 14:19:17 -0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20181010141917.611fb5d8@coco.lan> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20181010165308.187aae51@alans-desktop>

Em Wed, 10 Oct 2018 16:53:08 +0100
Alan Cox <gnomes@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk> escreveu:

> > -Maintainers have the right and responsibility to remove, edit, or reject
> > +Maintainers may remove, edit, or reject
> >  comments, commits, code, wiki edits, issues, and other contributions that are
> >  not aligned to this Code of Conduct, or to ban temporarily or permanently any
> >  contributor for other behaviors that they deem inappropriate, threatening,
> > 
> > The previous text seems too much legal for my taste.
> >   
> 
> That is just as confusing. Maintainers have the right to remove, edit,
> reject commits that *are* aligned with the code as well.

Good point. Yeah, a maintainer can do whatever he thinks it is 
appropriate for a patch - even when it follows the CoC.

> So what exactly is the point here ?

The point is "responsibility" - that sounds like it is bounding a legal
duty to a maintainer.

While this makes sense for Github (as the company doesn't want to be
responsible for sanitizing every single post), this doesn't work for
e-mail based workflow, where the message is stored on a distributed
way, as a maintainer can't "remove, edit or reject" an e-mail.

Thanks,
Mauro

  reply	other threads:[~2018-10-10 17:19 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 93+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-10-06 21:35 [Ksummit-discuss] [PATCH 0/2] code of conduct fixes James Bottomley
2018-10-06 21:35 ` James Bottomley
2018-10-06 21:36 ` [Ksummit-discuss] [PATCH 1/2] code-of-conduct: Fix the ambiguity about collecting email addresses James Bottomley
2018-10-06 21:36   ` James Bottomley
2018-10-07  8:25   ` [Ksummit-discuss] " Geert Uytterhoeven
2018-10-07  8:25     ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2018-10-07 15:25     ` Shuah Khan
2018-10-07 15:25       ` Shuah Khan
2018-10-07  9:04   ` Daniel Vetter
2018-10-07  9:04     ` Daniel Vetter
2018-10-07  9:54     ` Hannes Reinecke
2018-10-07 15:29     ` James Bottomley
2018-10-08 19:49       ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2018-10-08 19:49         ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2018-10-07 17:53   ` Guenter Roeck
2018-10-07 22:25   ` Dave Airlie
2018-10-07 22:25     ` Dave Airlie
2018-10-07 22:56     ` Al Viro
2018-10-07 23:02       ` Al Viro
2018-10-07 23:37       ` Dave Airlie
2018-10-08 10:14         ` Mark Brown
2018-10-08 10:14           ` Mark Brown
2018-10-08 19:32         ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2018-10-08 19:32           ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2018-10-08 17:05       ` Luck, Tony
2018-10-08 17:05         ` Luck, Tony
2018-10-08 14:08     ` James Bottomley
2018-10-10 16:36     ` Pavel Machek
2018-10-10 16:36       ` Pavel Machek
2018-10-08 15:20   ` Josh Triplett
2018-10-08 15:20     ` Josh Triplett
2018-10-08 15:30     ` James Bottomley
2018-10-08 19:23       ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2018-10-08 19:23         ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2018-10-08 19:57         ` Josh Triplett
2018-10-09 10:55           ` Mark Brown
2018-10-09 18:29     ` Rainer Fiebig
2018-10-09 18:56       ` Josh Triplett
2018-10-09 19:38         ` Laurent Pinchart
2018-10-09 19:38           ` Laurent Pinchart
2018-10-09 19:44           ` James Bottomley
2018-10-10  7:22             ` Rainer Fiebig
2018-10-10  5:52           ` Rainer Fiebig
2018-10-10  7:08         ` Rainer Fiebig
2018-10-08 19:24   ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2018-10-08 19:24     ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2018-10-10 20:48   ` Frank Rowand
2018-10-06 21:37 ` [Ksummit-discuss] [PATCH 2/2] code-of-conduct: Strip the enforcement paragraph pending community discussion James Bottomley
2018-10-06 21:37   ` James Bottomley
2018-10-06 21:43   ` [Ksummit-discuss] " Tim.Bird
2018-10-06 21:43     ` Tim.Bird
2018-10-07  3:33     ` James Bottomley
2018-10-08 13:51       ` Tim.Bird
2018-10-08 13:51         ` Tim.Bird
2018-10-08 14:09         ` James Bottomley
2018-10-08 17:58           ` Tim.Bird
2018-10-08 17:58             ` Tim.Bird
2018-10-08 18:11             ` James Bottomley
2018-10-08 18:54               ` Tim.Bird
2018-10-08 18:54                 ` Tim.Bird
2018-10-08 15:03         ` jonsmirl
2018-10-08 15:03           ` jonsmirl
2018-10-08 15:37       ` Alan Cox
2018-10-08 15:37         ` Alan Cox
2018-10-11  7:42         ` Dan Carpenter
2018-10-07 15:32   ` Shuah Khan
2018-10-07 15:32     ` Shuah Khan
2018-10-07 17:56   ` Guenter Roeck
2018-10-07 19:51   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2018-10-07 19:51     ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2018-10-08 18:15   ` Chris Mason
2018-10-08 18:15     ` Chris Mason
2018-10-08 19:04     ` [Ksummit-discuss] " Josh Triplett
2018-10-08 20:23   ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2018-10-08 20:23     ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2018-10-10 15:53     ` Alan Cox
2018-10-10 15:53       ` Alan Cox
2018-10-10 17:19       ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab [this message]
2018-10-10 17:19         ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2018-10-10 20:09         ` Alan Cox
2018-10-10 20:09           ` Alan Cox
2018-10-10 20:30           ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2018-10-10 20:30             ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2018-10-10 20:32           ` Dave Airlie
2018-10-07 17:11 ` [Ksummit-discuss] [PATCH 0/2] code of conduct fixes Daniel Vetter
2018-10-07 17:11   ` Daniel Vetter
2018-10-07 17:40   ` James Bottomley
2018-10-07 17:50     ` jonsmirl
2018-10-07 17:50       ` jonsmirl
2018-10-07 17:52     ` Daniel Vetter
2018-10-10 16:12     ` Pavel Machek
2018-10-10 16:12       ` Pavel Machek
2018-10-10 16:25       ` Randy Dunlap

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