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From: David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
To: toke@redhat.com
Cc: kuba@kernel.org, lorenzo@kernel.org, netdev@vger.kernel.org,
	ilias.apalodimas@linaro.org, lorenzo.bianconi@redhat.com,
	andrew@lunn.ch, brouer@redhat.com, dsahern@kernel.org,
	bpf@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC net-next] net: mvneta: align xdp stats naming scheme to mlx5 driver
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2020 15:47:13 -0800 (PST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20200218.154713.1411536344737312845.davem@davemloft.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87eeury1ph.fsf@toke.dk>

From: Toke Høiland-Jørgensen <toke@redhat.com>
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2020 23:23:22 +0100

> Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org> writes:
> 
>> On Tue, 18 Feb 2020 01:14:29 +0100 Lorenzo Bianconi wrote:
>>> Introduce "rx" prefix in the name scheme for xdp counters
>>> on rx path.
>>> Differentiate between XDP_TX and ndo_xdp_xmit counters
>>> 
>>> Signed-off-by: Lorenzo Bianconi <lorenzo@kernel.org>
>>
>> Sorry for coming in late.
>>
>> I thought the ability to attach a BPF program to a fexit of another BPF
>> program will put an end to these unnecessary statistics. IOW I maintain
>> my position that there should be no ethtool stats for XDP.
>>
>> As discussed before real life BPF progs will maintain their own stats
>> at the granularity of their choosing, so we're just wasting datapath
>> cycles.
>>
>> The previous argument that the BPF prog stats are out of admin control
>> is no longer true with the fexit option (IIUC how that works).
> 
> So you're proposing an admin that wants to keep track of XDP has to
> (permantently?) attach an fexit program to every running XDP program and
> use that to keep statistics? But presumably he'd first need to discover
> that XDP is enabled; which the ethtool stats is a good hint for :)

Really, mistakes happen and a poorly implemented or inserted fexit
module should not be a reason to not have access to accurate and
working statistics for fundamental events.

I am therefore totally against requiring fexit for this functionality.
If you want more sophisticated events or custome ones, sure, but not
for this baseline stuff.

I do, however, think we need a way to turn off these counter bumps if
the user wishes to do so for maximum performance.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2020-02-18 23:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 15+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-02-18  0:14 [RFC net-next] net: mvneta: align xdp stats naming scheme to mlx5 driver Lorenzo Bianconi
2020-02-18  3:12 ` David Ahern
2020-02-18 17:02 ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2020-02-18 17:17   ` Lorenzo Bianconi
2020-02-18 17:48     ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2020-02-18 18:03       ` Lorenzo Bianconi
2020-02-18 21:29 ` Jakub Kicinski
2020-02-18 22:23   ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2020-02-18 23:19     ` Daniel Borkmann
2020-02-18 23:24       ` David Ahern
2020-02-18 23:49         ` David Miller
2020-02-18 23:48       ` David Miller
2020-02-18 23:47     ` David Miller [this message]
2020-02-19  3:31       ` Jakub Kicinski
2020-02-19  8:26       ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer

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