From: Jeff King <peff@peff.net> To: "Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason" <avarab@gmail.com> Cc: git@vger.kernel.org, tytso@mit.edu, Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>, Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>, Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>, linux-fsdevel <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org> Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 1/2] sha1-file: fsync() loose dir entry when core.fsyncObjectFiles Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2020 09:16:05 -0400 Message-ID: <20200917131605.GC3024501@coredump.intra.peff.net> (raw) In-Reply-To: <20200917112830.26606-2-avarab@gmail.com> On Thu, Sep 17, 2020 at 01:28:29PM +0200, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote: > Change the behavior of core.fsyncObjectFiles to also sync the > directory entry. I don't have a case where this broke, just going by > paranoia and the fsync(2) manual page's guarantees about its behavior. I've also often wondered whether this is necessary. Given the symptom of "oops, this object is there but with 0 bytes" after a hard crash (power off, etc), my assumption is that the metadata is being journaled but the actual data is not. Which would imply this isn't needed, but may just be revealing my naive view of how filesystems work. And of course all of my experience is on ext4 (which doubly confuses me, because my systems typically have data=ordered, which I thought would solve this). Non-journalling filesystems or other modes likely behave differently, but if this extra fsync carries a cost, we may want to make it optional. > sha1-file.c | 19 ++++++++++++++----- > 1 file changed, 14 insertions(+), 5 deletions(-) We already fsync pack files, but we don't fsync their directories. If this is important to do, we should be doing it there, too. We also don't fsync ref files (nor packed-refs) at all. If fsyncing files is important for reliability, we should be including those, too. It may be tempting to say that the important stuff is in objects and the refs can be salvaged from the commit graph, but my experience says otherwise. Missing, broken, or mysteriously-rewound refs cause confusing user-visible behavior, and when compounded with pruning operations like "git gc" they _do_ result in losing objects. -Peff
next prev parent reply index Thread overview: 49+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top 2018-01-17 18:48 [PATCH] enable core.fsyncObjectFiles by default Christoph Hellwig 2018-01-17 19:04 ` Junio C Hamano 2018-01-17 19:35 ` Christoph Hellwig 2018-01-17 20:05 ` Andreas Schwab 2018-01-17 19:37 ` Matthew Wilcox 2018-01-17 19:42 ` Christoph Hellwig 2018-01-17 21:44 ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason 2018-01-17 22:07 ` Linus Torvalds 2018-01-17 22:25 ` Linus Torvalds 2018-01-17 23:16 ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason 2018-01-17 23:42 ` Linus Torvalds 2018-01-17 23:52 ` Theodore Ts'o 2018-01-17 23:57 ` Linus Torvalds 2018-01-18 16:27 ` Christoph Hellwig 2018-01-19 19:08 ` Junio C Hamano 2018-01-20 22:14 ` Theodore Ts'o 2018-01-20 22:27 ` Junio C Hamano 2018-01-22 15:09 ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason 2018-01-22 18:09 ` Theodore Ts'o 2018-01-23 0:47 ` Jeff King 2018-01-23 5:45 ` Theodore Ts'o 2018-01-23 16:17 ` Jeff King 2018-01-23 0:25 ` Jeff King 2018-01-21 21:32 ` Chris Mason 2020-09-17 11:06 ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason 2020-09-17 11:28 ` [RFC PATCH 0/2] should core.fsyncObjectFiles fsync the dir entry + docs Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason 2020-09-17 11:28 ` [RFC PATCH 1/2] sha1-file: fsync() loose dir entry when core.fsyncObjectFiles Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason 2020-09-17 13:16 ` Jeff King [this message] 2020-09-17 15:09 ` Christoph Hellwig 2020-09-17 14:09 ` Christoph Hellwig 2020-09-17 14:55 ` Jeff King 2020-09-17 14:56 ` Christoph Hellwig 2020-09-17 15:37 ` Junio C Hamano 2020-09-17 17:12 ` Jeff King 2020-09-17 20:37 ` Taylor Blau 2020-09-22 10:42 ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason 2020-09-17 20:21 ` Johannes Sixt 2020-09-22 8:24 ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason 2020-11-19 11:38 ` Johannes Schindelin 2020-09-17 11:28 ` [RFC PATCH 2/2] core.fsyncObjectFiles: make the docs less flippant Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason 2020-09-17 14:12 ` Christoph Hellwig 2020-09-17 15:43 ` Junio C Hamano 2020-09-17 20:15 ` Johannes Sixt 2020-10-08 8:13 ` Johannes Schindelin 2020-10-08 15:57 ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason 2020-10-08 18:53 ` Junio C Hamano 2020-10-09 10:44 ` Johannes Schindelin 2020-09-17 19:21 ` Marc Branchaud 2020-09-17 14:14 ` [PATCH] enable core.fsyncObjectFiles by default Christoph Hellwig 2020-09-17 15:30 ` Junio C Hamano 2018-01-17 20:55 ` Jeff King 2018-01-17 21:10 ` Christoph Hellwig
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