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From: Jeff King <peff@peff.net>
To: "Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason" <avarab@gmail.com>
Cc: Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>, Theodore Ts'o <tytso@mit.edu>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Git Mailing List <git@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-fsdevel <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Chris Mason <clm@fb.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] enable core.fsyncObjectFiles by default
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2018 19:25:13 -0500
Message-ID: <20180123002513.GE26357@sigill.intra.peff.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <871siihqvw.fsf@evledraar.gmail.com>

On Mon, Jan 22, 2018 at 04:09:23PM +0100, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote:

> > Yes, a "cruft pack" that holds unreachable object has been discussed
> > a few times recently on list, and I do agree that it is a desirable
> > thing to have in the longer run.
> >
> > What's tricky is to devise a way to allow us to salvage objects that
> > are placed in a cruft pack because they are accessed recently,
> > proving themselves to be no longer crufts.  It could be that a good
> > way to resurrect them is to explode them to loose form when they are
> > accessed out of a cruft pack.  We need to worry about interactions
> > with read-only users if we go that route, but with the current
> > "explode unreachable to loose, touch their mtime when they are
> > accessed" scheme ends up ignoring accesses from read-only users that
> > cannot update mtime, so it might not be too bad.
> 
> Wouldn't it also make gc pruning more expensive? Now you can repack
> regularly and loose objects will be left out of the pack, and then just
> rm'd, whereas now it would entail creating new packs (unless the whole
> pack was objects meant for removal).
> 
> Probably still worth it, but something to keep in mind.

That's a good point. I think it would be OK in practice, though, since
normal operations don't tend to create a huge number of unreachable
loose objects (at least compared to the _reachable_ loose objects, which
we're already dealing with). We tend to get unbalanced explosions of
loose objects only because a huge chunk of packed history expired.

It is something to keep in mind when implementing the scheme, though.
Luckily we already have the right behavior implemented via
--pack-loose-unreachable (which is used for "repack -k" currently), so I
think it would just be a matter of passing the right flags from
git-repack.

-Peff

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Thread overview: 60+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-01-17 18:48 Christoph Hellwig
2018-01-17 19:04 ` Junio C Hamano
2018-01-17 19:35   ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-01-17 20:05     ` Andreas Schwab
2018-01-17 19:37   ` Matthew Wilcox
2018-01-17 19:42     ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-01-17 21:44   ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-01-17 22:07     ` Linus Torvalds
2018-01-17 22:25       ` Linus Torvalds
2018-01-17 23:16       ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-01-17 23:42         ` Linus Torvalds
2018-01-17 23:52       ` Theodore Ts'o
2018-01-17 23:57         ` Linus Torvalds
2018-01-18 16:27           ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-01-19 19:08             ` Junio C Hamano
2018-01-20 22:14               ` Theodore Ts'o
2018-01-20 22:27                 ` Junio C Hamano
2018-01-22 15:09                   ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-01-22 18:09                     ` Theodore Ts'o
2018-01-23  0:47                       ` Jeff King
2018-01-23  5:45                         ` Theodore Ts'o
2018-01-23 16:17                           ` Jeff King
2018-01-23  0:25                     ` Jeff King [this message]
2018-01-21 21:32             ` Chris Mason
2020-09-17 11:06         ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2020-09-17 11:28           ` [RFC PATCH 0/2] should core.fsyncObjectFiles fsync the dir entry + docs Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2020-09-17 11:28           ` [RFC PATCH 1/2] sha1-file: fsync() loose dir entry when core.fsyncObjectFiles Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2020-09-17 13:16             ` Jeff King
2020-09-17 15:09               ` Christoph Hellwig
2020-09-17 14:09             ` Christoph Hellwig
2020-09-17 14:55               ` Jeff King
2020-09-17 14:56                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2020-09-17 15:37                   ` Junio C Hamano
2020-09-17 17:12                     ` Jeff King
2020-09-17 20:37                       ` Taylor Blau
2020-09-22 10:42               ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2020-09-17 20:21             ` Johannes Sixt
2020-09-22  8:24               ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2020-11-19 11:38                 ` Johannes Schindelin
2020-09-17 11:28           ` [RFC PATCH 2/2] core.fsyncObjectFiles: make the docs less flippant Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2020-09-17 14:12             ` Christoph Hellwig
2020-09-17 15:43             ` Junio C Hamano
2020-09-17 20:15               ` Johannes Sixt
2020-10-08  8:13               ` Johannes Schindelin
2020-10-08 15:57                 ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2020-10-08 18:53                   ` Junio C Hamano
2020-10-09 10:44                   ` Johannes Schindelin
2020-09-17 19:21             ` Marc Branchaud
2020-09-17 14:14           ` [PATCH] enable core.fsyncObjectFiles by default Christoph Hellwig
2020-09-17 15:30           ` Junio C Hamano
2018-01-17 20:55 ` Jeff King
2018-01-17 21:10   ` Christoph Hellwig
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2015-06-23 21:57 [PATCH] Enable " Stefan Beller
2015-06-23 22:21 ` Junio C Hamano
2015-06-23 23:29   ` Theodore Ts'o
2015-06-24  5:32     ` Junio C Hamano
2015-06-24 14:30       ` Theodore Ts'o
2015-06-24  1:07 ` Duy Nguyen
2015-06-24  3:37 ` Jeff King
2015-06-24  5:20   ` Junio C Hamano

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