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From: Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>
To: Guo Ren <guoren@kernel.org>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	linux-riscv <linux-riscv@lists.infradead.org>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-csky@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-arch <linux-arch@vger.kernel.org>,
	Guo Ren <guoren@linux.alibaba.com>, Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>, Waiman Long <longman@redhat.com>,
	Anup Patel <anup@brainfault.org>,
	Sebastian Andrzej Siewior <sebastian@breakpoint.cc>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 3/4] locking/qspinlock: Add ARCH_USE_QUEUED_SPINLOCKS_XCHG32
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2021 09:11:50 +0200
Message-ID: <CAK8P3a0DkbM=4oBBhA2DWvzMV7DwN1sqOU8Wa1qFtpd_w7iWmQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAJF2gTSpnHndT9NkrzvNP6xvqV51_DENwh2BHaduUnGyUE=Jaw@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Mar 30, 2021 at 4:26 AM Guo Ren <guoren@kernel.org> wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 29, 2021 at 9:56 PM Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de> wrote:
> > On Mon, Mar 29, 2021 at 2:52 PM Guo Ren <guoren@kernel.org> wrote:
> > > On Mon, Mar 29, 2021 at 7:31 PM Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > What's the architectural guarantee on LL/SC progress for RISC-V ?
> >
> >    "When LR/SC is used for memory locations marked RsrvNonEventual,
> >      software should provide alternative fall-back mechanisms used when
> >      lack of progress is detected."
> >
> > My reading of this is that if the example you tried stalls, then either
> > the PMA is not RsrvEventual, and it is wrong to rely on ll/sc on this,
> > or that the PMA is marked RsrvEventual but the implementation is
> > buggy.
>
> Yes, PMA just defines physical memory region attributes, But in our
> processor, when MMU is enabled (satp's value register > 2) in s-mode,
> it will look at our custom PTE's attributes BIT(63) ref [1]:
>
>    PTE format:
>    | 63 | 62 | 61 | 60 | 59 | 58-8 | 7 | 6 | 5 | 4 | 3 | 2 | 1 | 0
>      SO   C    B    SH   SE    RSW   D   A   G   U   X   W   R   V
>      ^    ^    ^    ^    ^
>    BIT(63): SO - Strong Order
>    BIT(62): C  - Cacheable
>    BIT(61): B  - Bufferable
>    BIT(60): SH - Shareable
>    BIT(59): SE - Security
>
> So the memory also could be RsrvNone/RsrvEventual.

I was not talking about RsrvNone, which would clearly mean that
you cannot use lr/sc at all (trap would trap, right?), but "RsrvNonEventual",
which would explain the behavior you described in an earlier reply:

| u32 a = 0x55aa66bb;
| u16 *ptr = &a;
|
| CPU0                       CPU1
| =========             =========
| xchg16(ptr, new)     while(1)
|                                     WRITE_ONCE(*(ptr + 1), x);
|
| When we use lr.w/sc.w implement xchg16, it'll cause CPU0 deadlock.

As I understand, this example must not cause a deadlock on
a compliant hardware implementation when the underlying memory
has RsrvEventual behavior, but could deadlock in case of
RsrvNonEventual

> [1] https://github.com/c-sky/csky-linux/commit/e837aad23148542771794d8a2fcc52afd0fcbf88
>
> >
> > It also seems that the current "amoswap" based implementation
> > would be reliable independent of RsrvEventual/RsrvNonEventual.
>
> Yes, the hardware implementation of AMO could be different from LR/SC.
> AMO could use ACE snoop holding to lock the bus in hw coherency
> design, but LR/SC uses an exclusive monitor without locking the bus.
>
> RISC-V hasn't CAS instructions, and it uses LR/SC for cmpxchg. I don't
> think LR/SC would be slower than CAS, and CAS is just good for code
> size.

What I meant here is that the current spinlock uses a simple amoswap,
which presumably does not suffer from the lack of forward process you
described.

        Arnd

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Thread overview: 63+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-03-27 18:06 [PATCH v4 0/4] riscv: Add qspinlock/qrwlock guoren
2021-03-27 18:06 ` [PATCH v4 1/4] riscv: cmpxchg.h: Cleanup unused code guoren
2021-03-27 18:06 ` [PATCH v4 2/4] riscv: cmpxchg.h: Merge macros guoren
2021-03-27 21:25   ` Arnd Bergmann
2021-03-28  1:50     ` Guo Ren
2021-03-27 18:06 ` [PATCH v4 3/4] locking/qspinlock: Add ARCH_USE_QUEUED_SPINLOCKS_XCHG32 guoren
2021-03-27 18:43   ` Waiman Long
2021-03-28  1:48     ` Guo Ren
2021-03-29  7:50   ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-03-29  9:41     ` Arnd Bergmann
2021-03-29 11:16       ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-03-29 11:29         ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-03-29 12:52           ` Guo Ren
2021-03-29 13:56             ` Arnd Bergmann
2021-03-30  2:26               ` Guo Ren
2021-03-30  5:51                 ` Anup Patel
2021-03-30  6:26                   ` Guo Ren
2021-03-30  7:11                 ` Arnd Bergmann [this message]
2021-03-31  4:18                   ` Guo Ren
2021-03-31  5:33                     ` Paul Campbell
2021-04-05 16:12                       ` Guo Ren
2021-03-31  6:44                     ` Guo Ren
2021-03-31  7:12                       ` Arnd Bergmann
2021-03-29 11:19     ` Guo Ren
2021-03-29 11:26       ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-03-29 12:01         ` Guo Ren
2021-03-29 12:49           ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-03-30  3:13             ` Guo Ren
2021-03-30  4:54               ` Anup Patel
2021-03-30  6:27                 ` Guo Ren
2021-03-30  8:31               ` David Laight
2021-03-30 14:09               ` Waiman Long
2021-03-31 14:47                 ` Guo Ren
2021-04-05 16:45                 ` Guo Ren
2021-03-30 16:08               ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-03-30 22:35                 ` Stafford Horne
2021-03-31  7:23                   ` Arnd Bergmann
2021-03-31 12:31                     ` Stafford Horne
2021-03-31 15:10                       ` Guo Ren
2021-04-06  8:51                         ` Stafford Horne
2021-04-06  3:50                     ` Guo Ren
2021-04-06  8:56                       ` Stafford Horne
2021-04-07  8:42                         ` Arnd Bergmann
2021-04-07 11:36                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-04-07 11:57                             ` Arnd Bergmann
2021-04-07 12:02                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-04-05 16:40                 ` Guo Ren
2021-03-31 15:22             ` Guo Ren
2021-04-06  7:15               ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-04-07  9:42                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2021-04-07 14:29                   ` Christoph Müllner
2021-04-07 14:34                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2021-04-07 15:51                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-04-07 16:44                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-04-07 15:52                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-04-07 16:54                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-04-07 16:00                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-04-07 19:50                       ` Christoph Müllner
2021-04-06 17:24               ` Boqun Feng
2021-04-07  9:26                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-03-29 12:13         ` Anup Patel
2021-03-29 12:54           ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-03-27 18:06 ` [PATCH v4 4/4] riscv: Convert custom spinlock/rwlock to generic qspinlock/qrwlock guoren

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