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From: Florian Schmidt <tapas@affenbande.org>
To: Lee Revell <rlrevell@joe-job.com>
Cc: "Florian Schmidt" <tapas@affenbande.org>,
	"Tomasz K³oczko" <kloczek@rudy.mif.pg.gda.pl>,
	"Adrian Bunk" <bunk@stusta.de>,
	"Jesper Juhl" <jesper.juhl@gmail.com>,
	"Takashi Iwai" <tiwai@suse.de>,
	"Olivier Galibert" <galibert@pobox.com>,
	"Alistair John Strachan" <s0348365@sms.ed.ac.uk>,
	"Jan Engelhardt" <jengelh@linux01.gwdg.de>,
	"Andi Kleen" <ak@suse.de>,
	perex@suse.cz, alsa-devel@alsa-project.org,
	James@superbug.demon.co.uk, sailer@ife.ee.ethz.ch,
	linux-sound@vger.kernel.org, zab@zabbo.net,
	kyle@parisc-linux.org, parisc-linux@lists.parisc-linux.org,
	jgarzik@pobox.com, "Thorsten Knabe" <linux@thorsten-knabe.de>,
	zwane@commfireservices.com, zaitcev@yahoo.com,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [2.6 patch] schedule obsolete OSS drivers for removal
Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 20:15:51 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20060105201551.3a88fb0b@mango.fruits.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1136486180.31583.29.camel@mindpipe>

On Thu, 05 Jan 2006 13:36:20 -0500
Lee Revell <rlrevell@joe-job.com> wrote:

> OK so you can contrive an example.  Have we ever seen a real world app
> where aoss can't work?

Well, until i provided my hacky and probably buggy patch to aoss to use
libc's fopen()-et. al.-hooks, no app using the OSS api by way of libc's
fopen() et. al. was able to use aoss.  I don't use aoss anymore, as i
have hw mixing, so i haven't really done anymore testing. I admit of not
being sure, whether this principle error has any realistic impact (i.e.
apps/libs exist that resolve their system call symbols at build time - i
must also admit that i don't have really complete understanding of this
issue. maybe a more knowledgable person can speak up about possible use
scenarios besides libc). 

> > Errm, i'm actually wrong about that. Kernel level OSS emu sw mixing
> > cannot work together with userspace ALSA sw mixing. I completely missed
> > that point.
> > 
> > I still think, the easiest way would be to use FUSE as it gives the best
> > of both worlds:
> 
> Yep, this does sound like a promising approach.  AFAIK it's never been
> seriously explored as FUSE is so new.

Plus, i was wrong :) FUSE is for filesystems. fusd would be the choice
for this (not included in kernel yet). One might see how far one gets
with reusing code from both aoss and oss2jack

http://fort.xdas.com/~kor/oss2jack/

Btw: It has a nice list of compatible apps including skype and quake3
;)

Btw2: Heh, oss2jack already has direct ALSA support on its TODO list :)

fusd:

http://www.circlemud.org/%7Ejelson/software/fusd/

Regards,
Flo

  parent reply	other threads:[~2006-01-05 19:19 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 289+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-07-26 15:08 [2.6 patch] schedule obsolete OSS drivers for removal Adrian Bunk
2005-07-26 15:41 ` Jesper Juhl
2005-07-26 15:46   ` Adrian Bunk
2005-07-26 15:41 ` Thomas Sailer
2005-07-26 15:48 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-07-26 16:04   ` Adrian Bunk
2005-07-26 16:49   ` Lee Revell
2005-07-26 17:49     ` John W. Linville
2005-07-26 17:03   ` Gene Heskett
2005-07-26 18:13     ` Adrian Bunk
2005-07-27  3:19       ` Gene Heskett
2005-07-26 15:51 ` Lee Revell
2005-07-26 15:57   ` Jeff Garzik
2005-07-26 16:02     ` Lee Revell
2005-07-27 18:24     ` Adrian Bunk
2005-07-27 20:31       ` John W. Linville
2005-07-27 20:43         ` Jeff Garzik
2005-07-28 14:00           ` Alan Cox
2005-07-28 13:43             ` Jaroslav Kysela
2005-07-28 14:15               ` Adrian Bunk
2006-01-03 13:14               ` Adrian Bunk
2005-07-26 16:30   ` Adrian Bunk
2005-07-26 16:17 ` Andrew Haninger
2005-07-31 19:29   ` Adrian Bunk
2005-07-26 16:27 ` Zach Brown
2005-07-26 21:41   ` Krzysztof Halasa
2005-07-26 23:38   ` Zoran Dzelajlija
2005-07-27 23:28     ` Lee Revell
2005-07-27 23:58       ` Rogério Brito
2005-07-28  8:09     ` Takashi Iwai
2005-07-31 19:36     ` Adrian Bunk
2005-07-27 18:39 ` Kyle McMartin
2005-07-28  3:01   ` [parisc-linux] " Randolph Chung
2005-07-28 14:14   ` Adrian Bunk
2005-07-28 15:04 ` Thorsten Knabe
2005-07-28 15:46   ` Adrian Bunk
2005-07-28 18:33   ` [Alsa-devel] " Lee Revell
2005-07-29  6:52   ` Jaroslav Kysela
2005-07-29 15:16     ` Adrian Bunk
2005-07-29 15:58     ` Thorsten Knabe
2005-07-31 19:39       ` Adrian Bunk
2005-08-01 14:26         ` Andrew Haninger
2005-08-02  0:13           ` Thorsten Knabe
2005-08-02  5:05             ` Lee Revell
2005-08-02 12:59             ` James Courtier-Dutton
2005-08-02 15:55             ` Thorsten Knabe
2005-07-31 13:38 ` James Courtier-Dutton
2006-01-03 13:21 ` Andi Kleen
2006-01-03 13:47   ` Alistair John Strachan
2006-01-03 13:52     ` Andi Kleen
2006-01-03 13:58       ` David Lang
2006-01-03 14:33         ` Alistair John Strachan
2006-01-03 14:34           ` Alistair John Strachan
2006-01-03 14:01       ` Alistair John Strachan
2006-01-03 18:24       ` Lee Revell
     [not found]       ` <mailman.1136300646.6679.linux-kernel2news@redhat.com>
2006-01-04 11:13         ` Pete Zaitcev
2006-01-04 11:16           ` Jaroslav Kysela
2006-01-03 14:38     ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-01-03 14:41       ` Alistair John Strachan
2006-01-03 14:50         ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-01-03 15:22           ` Alistair John Strachan
2006-01-03 16:05             ` Tomasz Torcz
2006-01-03 16:29               ` Alistair John Strachan
2006-01-03 17:03                 ` Olivier Galibert
2006-01-03 17:16                   ` Alistair John Strachan
2006-01-03 19:24                     ` Olivier Galibert
2006-01-03 19:37                       ` Adrian Bunk
2006-01-03 21:40                         ` Olivier Galibert
2006-01-03 23:10                         ` Tomasz Kłoczko
2006-01-04  0:33                           ` Thomas Sailer
2006-01-04  1:48                             ` Olivier Galibert
2006-01-04  9:03                           ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-01-04  9:37                           ` [OT] ALSA userspace API complexity Alistair John Strachan
     [not found]                           ` <mailman.1136368805.14661.linux-kernel2news@redhat.com>
2006-01-04 11:00                             ` Pete Zaitcev
2006-01-04 11:35                               ` Jaroslav Kysela
2006-01-04 11:47                                 ` Pete Zaitcev
2006-01-04 14:23                                 ` Alistair John Strachan
2006-01-05 11:41                                   ` Olivier Galibert
2006-01-05 12:01                                 ` Tomasz Kłoczko
2006-01-05 12:23                                   ` Jaroslav Kysela
2006-01-05 14:21                                     ` Olivier Galibert
2006-01-05 14:56                                       ` [parisc-linux] " Alan Cox
2006-01-05 21:14                                         ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-01-05 15:07                                     ` Tomasz Kłoczko
2006-01-05 16:14                                       ` Takashi Iwai
2006-01-05 17:19                                         ` Marcin Dalecki
2006-01-05 20:13                                         ` Tomasz Kłoczko
2006-01-07 14:32                                           ` Takashi Iwai
2006-01-08  2:03                                             ` Olivier Galibert
2006-01-08  2:26                                               ` Martin Drab
2006-01-08 13:21                                                 ` Olivier Galibert
2006-01-08 13:32                                                   ` Jaroslav Kysela
2006-01-08 23:18                                                     ` Pavel Machek
2006-01-09  0:33                                                     ` [Alsa-devel] " Hannu Savolainen
2006-01-09 12:24                                                       ` Takashi Iwai
2006-01-09 17:49                                                   ` Thierry Vignaud
2006-01-08  9:42                                               ` Jaroslav Kysela
2006-01-08 13:04                                                 ` Olivier Galibert
2006-01-08 13:23                                                   ` Jaroslav Kysela
2006-01-08 13:38                                                 ` Marcin Dalecki
2006-01-09  0:30                                                 ` [Alsa-devel] " Hannu Savolainen
2006-01-05 23:06                                         ` Hannu Savolainen
2006-01-05 23:39                                           ` Lee Revell
2006-01-05 23:56                                             ` Hannu Savolainen
2006-01-06  0:03                                               ` Lee Revell
2006-01-05 23:40                                           ` Lee Revell
2006-01-05 23:59                                             ` Hannu Savolainen
2006-01-06 15:03                                               ` Stefan Smietanowski
2006-01-06 15:48                                                 ` Erik Mouw
2006-01-06 18:37                                                 ` Lee Revell
2006-01-10  9:43                                               ` Jaroslav Kysela
2006-01-10 13:42                                                 ` Hannu Savolainen
2006-01-10 14:08                                                   ` Jaroslav Kysela
2006-01-10 14:17                                                     ` Hannu Savolainen
2006-01-10 20:13                                                     ` Marcin Dalecki
2006-01-06  0:14                                             ` Marcin Dalecki
2006-01-06  0:29                                               ` Martin Drab
2006-01-06  0:57                                                 ` Marcin Dalecki
2006-01-06  1:49                                                   ` Martin Drab
2006-01-06  1:21                                               ` Zan Lynx
2006-01-06 15:17                                                 ` Stefan Smietanowski
2006-01-09 23:55                                                   ` jerome lacoste
2006-01-10  2:29                                                     ` Stefan Smietanowski
2006-01-06  3:14                                           ` Edgar Toernig
2006-01-06  3:33                                             ` Hannu Savolainen
2006-01-06 11:34                                               ` Florian Schmidt
2006-01-06  7:47                                           ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-01-07 14:45                                           ` Takashi Iwai
     [not found]                                             ` <Pine.LNX.4.61.0601080225500.17252@zeus.compusonic.fi>
2006-01-08  9:24                                               ` [Alsa-devel] " Jaroslav Kysela
2006-01-09 13:05                                                 ` René Rebe
2006-01-09 15:10                                                   ` Hannu Savolainen
2006-01-09 17:12                                                     ` René Rebe
2006-01-09 21:58                                                       ` David Lang
2006-01-09 23:20                                                         ` John Rigg
2006-01-09 23:21                                                           ` David Lang
2006-01-10  0:16                                                             ` John Rigg
2006-01-10  0:29                                                               ` David Lang
2006-01-10  0:44                                                                 ` Alan Cox
2006-01-10  1:56                                                                   ` Lee Revell
2006-01-10  1:27                                                                 ` John Rigg
2006-01-10  1:02                                                               ` John Rigg
2006-01-10  0:48                                                           ` Hannu Savolainen
2006-01-10  2:00                                                             ` John Rigg
2006-01-10  2:17                                                               ` Hannu Savolainen
     [not found]                                                 ` <Pine.LNX.4.61.0601090010090.31763@zeus.compusonic.fi>
2006-01-10 10:51                                                   ` Jaroslav Kysela
     [not found]                                                     ` <Pine.LNX.4.61.0601101550390.24146@zeus.compusonic.fi>
2006-01-10 14:17                                                       ` Jaroslav Kysela
2006-01-10 14:39                                                         ` Adam Tlałka
2006-01-05 18:56                                       ` Lee Revell
2006-01-05 22:39                                       ` Joern Nettingsmeier
2006-01-05 23:44                                         ` Tomasz Kłoczko
2006-01-05 23:49                                         ` Olivier Galibert
2006-01-06  0:22                                           ` Joern Nettingsmeier
2006-01-06  1:30                                             ` Olivier Galibert
2006-01-06  2:20                                             ` Hannu Savolainen
2006-01-10  9:54                                               ` Jaroslav Kysela
2006-01-10 13:50                                                 ` Hannu Savolainen
2006-01-06  0:00                                         ` Marcin Dalecki
2006-01-05 12:47                                   ` Leonard Milcin Jr.
2006-01-04 12:13                           ` [2.6 patch] schedule obsolete OSS drivers for removal Joern Nettingsmeier
2006-01-04 12:35                             ` Andi Kleen
2006-01-04 12:41                               ` Jaroslav Kysela
2006-01-04 17:31                                 ` Alistair John Strachan
2006-01-04 17:48                                   ` Takashi Iwai
2006-01-05  6:42                       ` Lee Revell
2006-01-03 18:28                   ` Lee Revell
2006-01-03 19:30                     ` Thomas Sailer
2006-01-03 19:37                       ` Jaroslav Kysela
2006-01-03 19:56                         ` Thomas Sailer
2006-01-03 20:06                           ` Jaroslav Kysela
2006-01-04  0:23                             ` Thomas Sailer
2006-01-03 22:39                           ` James Courtier-Dutton
2006-01-03 20:22                   ` Takashi Iwai
2006-01-03 20:37                     ` Tomasz Torcz
2006-01-03 20:44                       ` Takashi Iwai
2006-01-03 20:56                         ` Jesper Juhl
2006-01-03 21:56                           ` Adrian Bunk
2006-01-03 22:11                             ` Jesper Juhl
2006-01-04 11:46                               ` Takashi Iwai
2006-01-04 14:46                                 ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-01-04 16:43                                   ` Marcin Dalecki
2006-01-05 10:57                                     ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-01-05 12:44                                       ` Marcin Dalecki
2006-01-05 18:33                                         ` Lee Revell
2006-01-05 20:03                                           ` Marcin Dalecki
2006-01-05 20:05                                             ` Lee Revell
2006-01-05 20:18                                               ` Marcin Dalecki
2006-01-05 20:28                                                 ` Lee Revell
2006-01-05 20:32                                                   ` Marcin Dalecki
2006-01-05 20:39                                                     ` Lee Revell
2006-01-05 20:32                                                 ` Lee Revell
2006-01-05 20:54                                                   ` Marcin Dalecki
2006-01-05 21:01                                                     ` Lee Revell
2006-01-05 21:43                                                       ` Marcin Dalecki
2006-01-05 21:47                                                         ` Lee Revell
2006-01-05 23:35                                                     ` Jesper Juhl
2006-01-06  0:04                                                       ` Marcin Dalecki
2006-01-06  0:08                                                         ` Jesper Juhl
2006-01-06  1:36                                                         ` Hannu Savolainen
2006-01-06  9:54                                                           ` James Courtier-Dutton
2006-01-06 13:37                                                             ` Hannu Savolainen
2006-01-06 10:34                                                           ` Gabor Gombas
2006-01-06 12:48                                                             ` Hannu Savolainen
2006-01-07 14:09                                                           ` Takashi Iwai
2006-01-07 14:57                                                             ` Marcin Dalecki
2006-01-08  0:21                                                             ` Hannu Savolainen
2006-01-06  2:40                                             ` Diego Calleja
2006-01-06 14:57                                               ` Olivier Galibert
2006-01-06 20:26                                                 ` Jaroslav Kysela
2006-01-07  0:40                                                   ` Marcin Dalecki
2006-01-07  0:56                                                   ` Olivier Galibert
2006-01-05 23:19                                           ` Hannu Savolainen
2006-01-05 23:33                                             ` Lee Revell
2006-01-06 13:20                                               ` caszonyi
2006-01-06 13:43                                                 ` James Courtier-Dutton
2006-01-06 18:24                                                 ` Lee Revell
2006-01-06 18:27                                                 ` Lee Revell
2006-01-04 20:12                                   ` Kyle Moffett
2006-01-04 22:25                                     ` Olivier Galibert
2006-01-03 22:13                             ` Tomasz Torcz
2006-01-03 23:10                               ` Adrian Bunk
2006-01-03 23:51                                 ` Tomasz Kłoczko
2006-01-04  0:03                                   ` Adrian Bunk
2006-01-04  0:46                                     ` Tomasz Kłoczko
2006-01-04  1:01                                       ` Adrian Bunk
2006-01-04  2:51                                         ` Tomasz Kłoczko
2006-01-04  8:50                                           ` Alan Cox
2006-01-04 13:21                                             ` Greg Louis
2006-01-04 14:41                                               ` Adrian Bunk
2006-01-04 10:37                                           ` tapas
2006-01-04 17:28                                             ` Alistair John Strachan
2006-01-05  7:14                                               ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-01-04 17:54                                             ` Takashi Iwai
2006-01-04 18:17                                               ` Florian Schmidt
2006-01-04 19:28                                                 ` Marcin Dalecki
2006-01-04 19:52                                                   ` Florian Schmidt
2006-01-05  7:11                                                     ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-01-05 11:15                                                     ` Takashi Iwai
2006-01-05 21:20                                                   ` Jim Crilly
2006-01-05  7:11                                                 ` Lee Revell
2006-01-05 19:09                                                   ` Edgar Toernig
2006-01-05 19:29                                                     ` Lee Revell
2006-01-05 20:19                                                       ` Lee Revell
2006-01-05 21:05                                                         ` Edgar Toernig
2006-01-05 21:10                                                           ` Lee Revell
2006-01-05 20:24                                                       ` Edgar Toernig
2006-01-05 20:29                                                         ` Lee Revell
2006-01-05  7:16                                             ` Lee Revell
2006-01-05 11:43                                               ` Florian Schmidt
2006-01-05 17:48                                                 ` Lee Revell
2006-01-08 21:07                                                   ` Ville Herva
2006-01-08 21:44                                                     ` Lee Revell
2006-01-09  8:16                                                       ` Ville Herva
2006-01-09 13:52                                                         ` Lee Revell
2006-01-09 14:22                                                           ` Ville Herva
2006-01-09 15:18                                                             ` Lee Revell
2006-01-09 16:21                                                               ` Ville Herva
2006-01-09 16:22                                                                 ` Lee Revell
2006-01-05 18:36                                                 ` Lee Revell
2006-01-05 18:47                                                   ` Tomasz Torcz
2006-01-05 19:10                                                     ` Lee Revell
2006-01-05 19:15                                                   ` Florian Schmidt [this message]
2006-01-04  0:28                                   ` Stefan Smietanowski
2006-01-04  1:38                                     ` Tomasz Kłoczko
2006-01-04  9:48                                       ` Stefan Smietanowski
2006-01-05  3:03                                         ` Peter Bortas
2006-01-05  7:13                                           ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-01-05  7:19                                             ` Lee Revell
2006-01-05  8:41                                               ` Stefan Smietanowski
2006-01-05  9:57                                             ` Peter Bortas
2006-01-03 17:09             ` Jan Engelhardt
2005-10-30 10:51 Adrian Bunk
2005-10-30 13:41 ` Gene Heskett
2005-10-30 13:51   ` Adrian Bunk
2005-10-30 13:53   ` Alistair John Strachan
2005-10-30 14:27 ` Kyle McMartin
2005-10-30 15:12   ` Adrian Bunk
2005-10-30 15:19     ` Kyle McMartin
2005-10-31 16:50     ` Lee Revell
2005-11-01 14:55       ` Adrian Bunk
2005-10-30 18:06 ` Andi Kleen
2005-10-30 18:38   ` Adrian Bunk
2005-10-30 19:35     ` Andi Kleen
2005-10-30 19:49       ` Adrian Bunk
2005-10-31 11:09         ` Takashi Iwai
2005-10-31 15:59         ` Nix
2005-10-31 16:27           ` Michael Buesch
2005-10-31 16:36             ` Nix
2005-10-31  7:06   ` Lee Revell
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2006-01-04 14:03                     ` Patrizio Bassi

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