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From: Jaroslav Kysela <perex@suse.cz>
To: Hannu Savolainen <hannu@opensound.com>
Cc: Takashi Iwai <tiwai@suse.de>,
	linux-sound@vger.kernel.org,
	ALSA development <alsa-devel@alsa-project.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [Alsa-devel] Re: [OT] ALSA userspace API complexity
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 15:17:21 +0100 (CET)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0601101508560.10330@tm8103.perex-int.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0601101550390.24146@zeus.compusonic.fi>

On Tue, 10 Jan 2006, Hannu Savolainen wrote:

> On Tue, 10 Jan 2006, Jaroslav Kysela wrote:
> 
> > > 
> > > Then you can include a libOSSlib.o library in ALSA with all the OSS 
> > > emulation stuf inside.
> > 
> > You should do the clear statement that the direct using of syscalls is not 
> > recommented for application developers. Unfortunately at this time, I 
> > admit, it would be very difficult to change the existing applications.

> Sorry. That breaks backward compatibility with systems that don't have 
> libOSSlib (all current and past Linux distros, all BSD variants, 
> everything but systems with our official OSS package installed). Such 
> statement can be added in 2010 but provided that all Linux distros and 
> other environments having OSS compatible implementations add the osslib_* 
> routines within this year.

I meant that you can originate to move the OSS entry point to somewhere 
else (library) and try to persuade developers to use library than direct 
calls.

Of course, we cannot change current applications, but we can start the 
movement now. I just ask you to do it now. Nothing else. It will be a slow 
process but it should be started now.

Also, I don't think that it will break something. The application 
developers can use your code in their applications directly when the 
distribution does not have the OSS access library package.

Note that your words clearly states your attitude to change something.

						Jaroslav

-----
Jaroslav Kysela <perex@suse.cz>
Linux Kernel Sound Maintainer
ALSA Project, SUSE Labs

  parent reply	other threads:[~2006-01-10 14:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 270+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-07-26 15:08 [2.6 patch] schedule obsolete OSS drivers for removal Adrian Bunk
2005-07-26 15:41 ` Jesper Juhl
2005-07-26 15:46   ` Adrian Bunk
2005-07-26 15:41 ` Thomas Sailer
2005-07-26 15:48 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-07-26 16:04   ` Adrian Bunk
2005-07-26 16:49   ` Lee Revell
2005-07-26 17:49     ` John W. Linville
2005-07-26 17:03   ` Gene Heskett
2005-07-26 18:13     ` Adrian Bunk
2005-07-27  3:19       ` Gene Heskett
2005-07-26 15:51 ` Lee Revell
2005-07-26 15:57   ` Jeff Garzik
2005-07-26 16:02     ` Lee Revell
2005-07-27 18:24     ` Adrian Bunk
2005-07-27 20:31       ` John W. Linville
2005-07-27 20:43         ` Jeff Garzik
2005-07-28 14:00           ` Alan Cox
2005-07-28 13:43             ` Jaroslav Kysela
2005-07-28 14:15               ` Adrian Bunk
2006-01-03 13:14               ` Adrian Bunk
2005-07-26 16:30   ` Adrian Bunk
2005-07-26 16:17 ` Andrew Haninger
2005-07-31 19:29   ` Adrian Bunk
2005-07-26 16:27 ` Zach Brown
2005-07-26 21:41   ` Krzysztof Halasa
2005-07-26 23:38   ` Zoran Dzelajlija
2005-07-27 23:28     ` Lee Revell
2005-07-27 23:58       ` Rogério Brito
2005-07-28  8:09     ` Takashi Iwai
2005-07-31 19:36     ` Adrian Bunk
2005-07-27 18:39 ` Kyle McMartin
2005-07-28  3:01   ` [parisc-linux] " Randolph Chung
2005-07-28 14:14   ` Adrian Bunk
2005-07-28 15:04 ` Thorsten Knabe
2005-07-28 15:46   ` Adrian Bunk
2005-07-28 18:33   ` [Alsa-devel] " Lee Revell
2005-07-29  6:52   ` Jaroslav Kysela
2005-07-29 15:16     ` Adrian Bunk
2005-07-29 15:58     ` Thorsten Knabe
2005-07-31 19:39       ` Adrian Bunk
2005-08-01 14:26         ` Andrew Haninger
2005-08-02  0:13           ` Thorsten Knabe
2005-08-02  5:05             ` Lee Revell
2005-08-02 12:59             ` James Courtier-Dutton
2005-08-02 15:55             ` Thorsten Knabe
2005-07-31 13:38 ` James Courtier-Dutton
2006-01-03 13:21 ` Andi Kleen
2006-01-03 13:47   ` Alistair John Strachan
2006-01-03 13:52     ` Andi Kleen
2006-01-03 13:58       ` David Lang
2006-01-03 14:33         ` Alistair John Strachan
2006-01-03 14:34           ` Alistair John Strachan
2006-01-03 14:01       ` Alistair John Strachan
2006-01-03 18:24       ` Lee Revell
     [not found]       ` <mailman.1136300646.6679.linux-kernel2news@redhat.com>
2006-01-04 11:13         ` Pete Zaitcev
2006-01-04 11:16           ` Jaroslav Kysela
2006-01-03 14:38     ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-01-03 14:41       ` Alistair John Strachan
2006-01-03 14:50         ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-01-03 15:22           ` Alistair John Strachan
2006-01-03 16:05             ` Tomasz Torcz
2006-01-03 16:29               ` Alistair John Strachan
2006-01-03 17:03                 ` Olivier Galibert
2006-01-03 17:16                   ` Alistair John Strachan
2006-01-03 19:24                     ` Olivier Galibert
2006-01-03 19:37                       ` Adrian Bunk
2006-01-03 21:40                         ` Olivier Galibert
2006-01-03 23:10                         ` Tomasz Kłoczko
2006-01-04  0:33                           ` Thomas Sailer
2006-01-04  1:48                             ` Olivier Galibert
2006-01-04  9:03                           ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-01-04  9:37                           ` [OT] ALSA userspace API complexity Alistair John Strachan
     [not found]                           ` <mailman.1136368805.14661.linux-kernel2news@redhat.com>
2006-01-04 11:00                             ` Pete Zaitcev
2006-01-04 11:35                               ` Jaroslav Kysela
2006-01-04 11:47                                 ` Pete Zaitcev
2006-01-04 14:23                                 ` Alistair John Strachan
2006-01-05 11:41                                   ` Olivier Galibert
2006-01-05 12:01                                 ` Tomasz Kłoczko
2006-01-05 12:23                                   ` Jaroslav Kysela
2006-01-05 14:21                                     ` Olivier Galibert
2006-01-05 14:56                                       ` [parisc-linux] " Alan Cox
2006-01-05 21:14                                         ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-01-05 15:07                                     ` Tomasz Kłoczko
2006-01-05 16:14                                       ` Takashi Iwai
2006-01-05 17:19                                         ` Marcin Dalecki
2006-01-05 20:13                                         ` Tomasz Kłoczko
2006-01-07 14:32                                           ` Takashi Iwai
2006-01-08  2:03                                             ` Olivier Galibert
2006-01-08  2:26                                               ` Martin Drab
2006-01-08 13:21                                                 ` Olivier Galibert
2006-01-08 13:32                                                   ` Jaroslav Kysela
2006-01-08 23:18                                                     ` Pavel Machek
2006-01-09  0:33                                                     ` [Alsa-devel] " Hannu Savolainen
2006-01-09 12:24                                                       ` Takashi Iwai
2006-01-09 17:49                                                   ` Thierry Vignaud
2006-01-08  9:42                                               ` Jaroslav Kysela
2006-01-08 13:04                                                 ` Olivier Galibert
2006-01-08 13:23                                                   ` Jaroslav Kysela
2006-01-08 13:38                                                 ` Marcin Dalecki
2006-01-09  0:30                                                 ` [Alsa-devel] " Hannu Savolainen
2006-01-05 23:06                                         ` Hannu Savolainen
2006-01-05 23:39                                           ` Lee Revell
2006-01-05 23:56                                             ` Hannu Savolainen
2006-01-06  0:03                                               ` Lee Revell
2006-01-05 23:40                                           ` Lee Revell
2006-01-05 23:59                                             ` Hannu Savolainen
2006-01-06 15:03                                               ` Stefan Smietanowski
2006-01-06 15:48                                                 ` Erik Mouw
2006-01-06 18:37                                                 ` Lee Revell
2006-01-10  9:43                                               ` Jaroslav Kysela
2006-01-10 13:42                                                 ` Hannu Savolainen
2006-01-10 14:08                                                   ` Jaroslav Kysela
2006-01-10 14:17                                                     ` Hannu Savolainen
2006-01-10 20:13                                                     ` Marcin Dalecki
2006-01-06  0:14                                             ` Marcin Dalecki
2006-01-06  0:29                                               ` Martin Drab
2006-01-06  0:57                                                 ` Marcin Dalecki
2006-01-06  1:49                                                   ` Martin Drab
2006-01-06  1:21                                               ` Zan Lynx
2006-01-06 15:17                                                 ` Stefan Smietanowski
2006-01-09 23:55                                                   ` jerome lacoste
2006-01-10  2:29                                                     ` Stefan Smietanowski
2006-01-06  3:14                                           ` Edgar Toernig
2006-01-06  3:33                                             ` Hannu Savolainen
2006-01-06 11:34                                               ` Florian Schmidt
2006-01-06  7:47                                           ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-01-07 14:45                                           ` Takashi Iwai
     [not found]                                             ` <Pine.LNX.4.61.0601080225500.17252@zeus.compusonic.fi>
2006-01-08  9:24                                               ` [Alsa-devel] " Jaroslav Kysela
2006-01-09 13:05                                                 ` René Rebe
2006-01-09 15:10                                                   ` Hannu Savolainen
2006-01-09 17:12                                                     ` René Rebe
2006-01-09 21:58                                                       ` David Lang
2006-01-09 23:20                                                         ` John Rigg
2006-01-09 23:21                                                           ` David Lang
2006-01-10  0:16                                                             ` John Rigg
2006-01-10  0:29                                                               ` David Lang
2006-01-10  0:44                                                                 ` Alan Cox
2006-01-10  1:56                                                                   ` Lee Revell
2006-01-10  1:27                                                                 ` John Rigg
2006-01-10  1:02                                                               ` John Rigg
2006-01-10  0:48                                                           ` Hannu Savolainen
2006-01-10  2:00                                                             ` John Rigg
2006-01-10  2:17                                                               ` Hannu Savolainen
     [not found]                                                 ` <Pine.LNX.4.61.0601090010090.31763@zeus.compusonic.fi>
2006-01-10 10:51                                                   ` Jaroslav Kysela
     [not found]                                                     ` <Pine.LNX.4.61.0601101550390.24146@zeus.compusonic.fi>
2006-01-10 14:17                                                       ` Jaroslav Kysela [this message]
2006-01-10 14:39                                                         ` Adam Tlałka
2006-01-05 18:56                                       ` Lee Revell
2006-01-05 22:39                                       ` Joern Nettingsmeier
2006-01-05 23:44                                         ` Tomasz Kłoczko
2006-01-05 23:49                                         ` Olivier Galibert
2006-01-06  0:22                                           ` Joern Nettingsmeier
2006-01-06  1:30                                             ` Olivier Galibert
2006-01-06  2:20                                             ` Hannu Savolainen
2006-01-10  9:54                                               ` Jaroslav Kysela
2006-01-10 13:50                                                 ` Hannu Savolainen
2006-01-06  0:00                                         ` Marcin Dalecki
2006-01-05 12:47                                   ` Leonard Milcin Jr.
2006-01-04 12:13                           ` [2.6 patch] schedule obsolete OSS drivers for removal Joern Nettingsmeier
2006-01-04 12:35                             ` Andi Kleen
2006-01-04 12:41                               ` Jaroslav Kysela
2006-01-04 17:31                                 ` Alistair John Strachan
2006-01-04 17:48                                   ` Takashi Iwai
2006-01-05  6:42                       ` Lee Revell
2006-01-03 18:28                   ` Lee Revell
2006-01-03 19:30                     ` Thomas Sailer
2006-01-03 19:37                       ` Jaroslav Kysela
2006-01-03 19:56                         ` Thomas Sailer
2006-01-03 20:06                           ` Jaroslav Kysela
2006-01-04  0:23                             ` Thomas Sailer
2006-01-03 22:39                           ` James Courtier-Dutton
2006-01-03 20:22                   ` Takashi Iwai
2006-01-03 20:37                     ` Tomasz Torcz
2006-01-03 20:44                       ` Takashi Iwai
2006-01-03 20:56                         ` Jesper Juhl
2006-01-03 21:56                           ` Adrian Bunk
2006-01-03 22:11                             ` Jesper Juhl
2006-01-04 11:46                               ` Takashi Iwai
2006-01-04 14:46                                 ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-01-04 16:43                                   ` Marcin Dalecki
2006-01-05 10:57                                     ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-01-05 12:44                                       ` Marcin Dalecki
2006-01-05 18:33                                         ` Lee Revell
2006-01-05 20:03                                           ` Marcin Dalecki
2006-01-05 20:05                                             ` Lee Revell
2006-01-05 20:18                                               ` Marcin Dalecki
2006-01-05 20:28                                                 ` Lee Revell
2006-01-05 20:32                                                   ` Marcin Dalecki
2006-01-05 20:39                                                     ` Lee Revell
2006-01-05 20:32                                                 ` Lee Revell
2006-01-05 20:54                                                   ` Marcin Dalecki
2006-01-05 21:01                                                     ` Lee Revell
2006-01-05 21:43                                                       ` Marcin Dalecki
2006-01-05 21:47                                                         ` Lee Revell
2006-01-05 23:35                                                     ` Jesper Juhl
2006-01-06  0:04                                                       ` Marcin Dalecki
2006-01-06  0:08                                                         ` Jesper Juhl
2006-01-06  1:36                                                         ` Hannu Savolainen
2006-01-06  9:54                                                           ` James Courtier-Dutton
2006-01-06 13:37                                                             ` Hannu Savolainen
2006-01-06 10:34                                                           ` Gabor Gombas
2006-01-06 12:48                                                             ` Hannu Savolainen
2006-01-07 14:09                                                           ` Takashi Iwai
2006-01-07 14:57                                                             ` Marcin Dalecki
2006-01-08  0:21                                                             ` Hannu Savolainen
2006-01-06  2:40                                             ` Diego Calleja
2006-01-06 14:57                                               ` Olivier Galibert
2006-01-06 20:26                                                 ` Jaroslav Kysela
2006-01-07  0:40                                                   ` Marcin Dalecki
2006-01-07  0:56                                                   ` Olivier Galibert
2006-01-05 23:19                                           ` Hannu Savolainen
2006-01-05 23:33                                             ` Lee Revell
2006-01-06 13:20                                               ` caszonyi
2006-01-06 13:43                                                 ` James Courtier-Dutton
2006-01-06 18:24                                                 ` Lee Revell
2006-01-06 18:27                                                 ` Lee Revell
2006-01-04 20:12                                   ` Kyle Moffett
2006-01-04 22:25                                     ` Olivier Galibert
2006-01-03 22:13                             ` Tomasz Torcz
2006-01-03 23:10                               ` Adrian Bunk
2006-01-03 23:51                                 ` Tomasz Kłoczko
2006-01-04  0:03                                   ` Adrian Bunk
2006-01-04  0:46                                     ` Tomasz Kłoczko
2006-01-04  1:01                                       ` Adrian Bunk
2006-01-04  2:51                                         ` Tomasz Kłoczko
2006-01-04  8:50                                           ` Alan Cox
2006-01-04 13:21                                             ` Greg Louis
2006-01-04 14:41                                               ` Adrian Bunk
2006-01-04 10:37                                           ` tapas
2006-01-04 17:28                                             ` Alistair John Strachan
2006-01-05  7:14                                               ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-01-04 17:54                                             ` Takashi Iwai
2006-01-04 18:17                                               ` Florian Schmidt
2006-01-04 19:28                                                 ` Marcin Dalecki
2006-01-04 19:52                                                   ` Florian Schmidt
2006-01-05  7:11                                                     ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-01-05 11:15                                                     ` Takashi Iwai
2006-01-05 21:20                                                   ` Jim Crilly
2006-01-05  7:11                                                 ` Lee Revell
2006-01-05 19:09                                                   ` Edgar Toernig
2006-01-05 19:29                                                     ` Lee Revell
2006-01-05 20:19                                                       ` Lee Revell
2006-01-05 21:05                                                         ` Edgar Toernig
2006-01-05 21:10                                                           ` Lee Revell
2006-01-05 20:24                                                       ` Edgar Toernig
2006-01-05 20:29                                                         ` Lee Revell
2006-01-05  7:16                                             ` Lee Revell
2006-01-05 11:43                                               ` Florian Schmidt
2006-01-05 17:48                                                 ` Lee Revell
2006-01-08 21:07                                                   ` Ville Herva
2006-01-08 21:44                                                     ` Lee Revell
2006-01-09  8:16                                                       ` Ville Herva
2006-01-09 13:52                                                         ` Lee Revell
2006-01-09 14:22                                                           ` Ville Herva
2006-01-09 15:18                                                             ` Lee Revell
2006-01-09 16:21                                                               ` Ville Herva
2006-01-09 16:22                                                                 ` Lee Revell
2006-01-05 18:36                                                 ` Lee Revell
2006-01-05 18:47                                                   ` Tomasz Torcz
2006-01-05 19:10                                                     ` Lee Revell
2006-01-05 19:15                                                   ` Florian Schmidt
2006-01-04  0:28                                   ` Stefan Smietanowski
2006-01-04  1:38                                     ` Tomasz Kłoczko
2006-01-04  9:48                                       ` Stefan Smietanowski
2006-01-05  3:03                                         ` Peter Bortas
2006-01-05  7:13                                           ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-01-05  7:19                                             ` Lee Revell
2006-01-05  8:41                                               ` Stefan Smietanowski
2006-01-05  9:57                                             ` Peter Bortas
2006-01-03 17:09             ` Jan Engelhardt

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