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From: Vivek Goyal <vgoyal@redhat.com>
To: Matthew Garrett <mjg59@srcf.ucam.org>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	"Theodore Ts'o" <tytso@mit.edu>,
	Greg KH <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>,
	Florian Weimer <fw@deneb.enyo.de>,
	Josh Boyer <jwboyer@redhat.com>, Peter Jones <pjones@redhat.com>,
	Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>,
	keyrings@linux-nfs.org,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [GIT PULL] Load keys from signed PE binaries
Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 10:30:45 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20130226153045.GA10535@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20130226045747.GA31181@srcf.ucam.org>

On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 04:57:47AM +0000, Matthew Garrett wrote:

[..]
> >  - encourage things like per-host random keys - with the stupid UEFI
> > checks disabled entirely if required. They are almost certainly going
> > to be *more* secure than depending on some crazy root of trust based
> > on a big company, with key signing authorities that trust anybody with
> > a credit card. Try to teach people about things like that instead.
> > Encourage people to do their own (random) keys, and adding those to
> > their UEFI setups (or not: the whole UEFI thing is more about control
> > than security), and strive to do things like one-time signing with the
> > private key thrown out entirely. IOW try to encourage *that* kind of
> > "we made sure to ask the user very explicitly with big warnings and
> > create his own key for that particular module" security. Real
> > security, not "we control the user" security.
> 
> Yes, ideally people will engage in self-signing and distributions will 
> have mechanisms for dealing with that.

So even if a user installs its own keys in UEFI to boot self signed
shim, kernel and modules, I am assuming that we will still need to
make sure kexec does not load and run an unsigned kernel? (Otherwise
there is no point in installing user keys in UEFI and there is an
easy way to bypass it). 

Thanks
Vivek

  reply	other threads:[~2013-02-26 15:31 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 124+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-02-21 15:47 [GIT PULL] Load keys from signed PE binaries David Howells
2013-02-21 16:39 ` Linus Torvalds
2013-02-21 16:42   ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-21 16:58     ` Linus Torvalds
2013-02-21 17:49       ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-21 18:03         ` Linus Torvalds
2013-02-21 18:11           ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-22 14:05           ` Peter Jones
2013-02-25 14:46             ` Florian Weimer
2013-02-25 15:42               ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-25 15:50                 ` Florian Weimer
2013-02-25 16:14                   ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-25 16:20                     ` Chris Friesen
2013-02-26 21:40                       ` Florian Weimer
2013-02-26 22:19                         ` Chris Friesen
2013-02-21 18:17     ` David Howells
2013-02-21 18:25       ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-25 14:33         ` Florian Weimer
2013-02-25 15:42           ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-21 18:25       ` Linus Torvalds
2013-02-21 18:34         ` Peter Jones
2013-02-21 18:56           ` Linus Torvalds
2013-02-21 19:10             ` Peter Jones
2013-02-21 19:10             ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-21 20:31             ` Vivek Goyal
2013-02-21 20:32               ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-21 20:38                 ` Vivek Goyal
2013-03-18  2:12             ` Stephen Rothwell
2013-03-19 18:11             ` David Howells
2013-03-20 16:52             ` David Howells
2013-03-20 23:28               ` Stephen Rothwell
2013-02-21 20:08       ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-02-25 14:28     ` Florian Weimer
2013-02-25 15:45       ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-26 21:08         ` Florian Weimer
2013-02-25 23:51     ` David Howells
2013-02-26  0:59       ` Greg KH
2013-02-26  2:33         ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-26  3:02           ` Greg KH
2013-02-26  3:13             ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-26  3:25               ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-02-26  3:28                 ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-26  3:32                   ` Linus Torvalds
2013-02-26  3:42                     ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-26  3:45                       ` Linus Torvalds
2013-02-26  3:48                         ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-26  4:31                           ` Linus Torvalds
2013-02-26  4:57                             ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-26 15:30                               ` Vivek Goyal [this message]
2013-02-26 15:38                                 ` Vivek Goyal
2013-02-27 17:23                                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2013-02-26 21:30                             ` Florian Weimer
2013-02-26 21:40                               ` Peter Jones
2013-02-26 22:35                                 ` Al Viro
2013-02-26  3:40                   ` Greg KH
2013-02-26  3:45                     ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-26  3:49                   ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-02-26 19:30                   ` Florian Weimer
2013-02-26 19:41                     ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-26  3:31               ` Greg KH
2013-02-26  3:38                 ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-26  3:54                   ` Greg KH
2013-02-26  4:04                     ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-26  4:13                       ` Greg KH
2013-02-26  4:23                         ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-26  4:43                           ` Linus Torvalds
2013-02-26  4:59                             ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-26 21:57                             ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2013-02-26 22:06                               ` Peter Jones
2013-02-27 12:32                                 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2013-02-27 12:43                                   ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-27 14:14                                   ` Peter Jones
2013-02-26  4:25                         ` Dave Airlie
2013-02-26  4:45                           ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-02-26  4:55                             ` Dave Airlie
2013-02-26  6:04                               ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-02-26  6:38                                 ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-02-26 10:07                                   ` Raymond Jennings
2013-02-26 10:21                                     ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-26 16:45                                       ` Kent Yoder
2013-02-26 16:54                             ` Peter Jones
2013-02-27 15:24                               ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-02-27 17:36                                 ` Chris Friesen
2013-02-27 17:59                                   ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-02-27 19:21                                     ` Chris Friesen
2013-02-27 19:34                                       ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-02-27 19:14                                   ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-02-27 21:31                                 ` Dave Airlie
2013-02-28  6:27                                   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2013-02-28  7:48                                     ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-02-26 19:40                             ` Florian Weimer
2013-02-26 19:46                               ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-26  4:50                           ` Greg KH
2013-02-28  7:57                 ` Florian Weimer
2013-02-28 15:43                   ` Chris Friesen
2013-02-28 19:26                     ` Florian Weimer
2013-02-28 19:30                     ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-28 19:41                       ` Florian Weimer
2013-02-28 19:53                         ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-28 20:23                           ` Florian Weimer
2013-02-28 20:31                             ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-26 13:34       ` Jiri Kosina
2013-02-26 14:16         ` Raymond Jennings
2013-02-26 15:11       ` David Howells
2013-02-26 16:50         ` Greg KH
2013-02-27  9:35       ` ownssh
2013-02-27 10:17         ` James Courtier-Dutton
2013-02-27 11:27           ` Alexander Holler
2013-02-27 11:49             ` James Courtier-Dutton
2013-02-27 14:56         ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-27 20:35           ` ownssh
2013-03-01 18:21             ` Matthew Garrett
2013-03-01 18:39               ` Gene Heskett
2013-02-28 22:48 ` Jiri Kosina
2013-02-28 22:51   ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-28 23:02     ` Jiri Kosina
2013-02-28 23:05       ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-28 23:45         ` Jiri Kosina
2013-02-28 23:47           ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-28 23:52             ` Jiri Kosina
2013-03-01  0:00               ` Matthew Garrett
2013-03-01  0:08                 ` Jiri Kosina
2013-03-01 10:00     ` Vojtech Pavlik
2013-03-01 14:30       ` Theodore Ts'o

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