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From: Dave Airlie <airlied@gmail.com>
To: Greg KH <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>
Cc: Matthew Garrett <mjg59@srcf.ucam.org>,
	David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>,
	Florian Weimer <fw@deneb.enyo.de>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Josh Boyer <jwboyer@redhat.com>, Peter Jones <pjones@redhat.com>,
	Vivek Goyal <vgoyal@redhat.com>,
	Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>,
	keyrings@linux-nfs.org,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [GIT PULL] Load keys from signed PE binaries
Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 14:25:55 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAPM=9tzTXL_mystUa2=hGGzNZaYH==pMwt_PMLsWuqpRTs335g@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20130226041324.GA7241@kroah.com>

>>
>> Right. We've failed at creating an alternative. That doesn't mean that
>> we get to skip the responsibilities associated with the choice we've
>> made.
>
> Wait, who is "we" here?  The community?  The community over-all didn't
> agree with anything with Microsoft, that is between the people getting a
> signed key and Microsoft.  Again, you are trying to push your (prior)
> company's agreement between them and Microsoft onto the community, and
> now the community is pushing back, is that a surprise?

Do you not work for the LF?, Matthew doesn't work for RH, so please
leave the petty my employer said this, and he's better than your
employer and try and stick to technical details.

Maybe the LF can do something useful and get MS to sign an agreement
saying we don't require any of this extra security stuff and that if
Linux is used to root Windows Secureboot platforms, they won't revoke
the key for our bootloaders. Until then you aren't providing anything
more technical than FUD.

Its a simple argument, MS can revoke our keys for whatever reason,
reducing the surface area of reasons for them to do so seems like a
good idea. Unless someone can read the mind of the MS guy that
arbitrarily decides this in 5 years time, or has some sort of signed
agreement, I tend towards protecting the users from having their Linux
not work anymore, because we were scared of a PE loader in the kernel.

Dave.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2013-02-26  4:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 124+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-02-21 15:47 [GIT PULL] Load keys from signed PE binaries David Howells
2013-02-21 16:39 ` Linus Torvalds
2013-02-21 16:42   ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-21 16:58     ` Linus Torvalds
2013-02-21 17:49       ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-21 18:03         ` Linus Torvalds
2013-02-21 18:11           ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-22 14:05           ` Peter Jones
2013-02-25 14:46             ` Florian Weimer
2013-02-25 15:42               ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-25 15:50                 ` Florian Weimer
2013-02-25 16:14                   ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-25 16:20                     ` Chris Friesen
2013-02-26 21:40                       ` Florian Weimer
2013-02-26 22:19                         ` Chris Friesen
2013-02-21 18:17     ` David Howells
2013-02-21 18:25       ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-25 14:33         ` Florian Weimer
2013-02-25 15:42           ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-21 18:25       ` Linus Torvalds
2013-02-21 18:34         ` Peter Jones
2013-02-21 18:56           ` Linus Torvalds
2013-02-21 19:10             ` Peter Jones
2013-02-21 19:10             ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-21 20:31             ` Vivek Goyal
2013-02-21 20:32               ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-21 20:38                 ` Vivek Goyal
2013-03-18  2:12             ` Stephen Rothwell
2013-03-19 18:11             ` David Howells
2013-03-20 16:52             ` David Howells
2013-03-20 23:28               ` Stephen Rothwell
2013-02-21 20:08       ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-02-25 14:28     ` Florian Weimer
2013-02-25 15:45       ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-26 21:08         ` Florian Weimer
2013-02-25 23:51     ` David Howells
2013-02-26  0:59       ` Greg KH
2013-02-26  2:33         ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-26  3:02           ` Greg KH
2013-02-26  3:13             ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-26  3:25               ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-02-26  3:28                 ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-26  3:32                   ` Linus Torvalds
2013-02-26  3:42                     ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-26  3:45                       ` Linus Torvalds
2013-02-26  3:48                         ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-26  4:31                           ` Linus Torvalds
2013-02-26  4:57                             ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-26 15:30                               ` Vivek Goyal
2013-02-26 15:38                                 ` Vivek Goyal
2013-02-27 17:23                                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2013-02-26 21:30                             ` Florian Weimer
2013-02-26 21:40                               ` Peter Jones
2013-02-26 22:35                                 ` Al Viro
2013-02-26  3:40                   ` Greg KH
2013-02-26  3:45                     ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-26  3:49                   ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-02-26 19:30                   ` Florian Weimer
2013-02-26 19:41                     ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-26  3:31               ` Greg KH
2013-02-26  3:38                 ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-26  3:54                   ` Greg KH
2013-02-26  4:04                     ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-26  4:13                       ` Greg KH
2013-02-26  4:23                         ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-26  4:43                           ` Linus Torvalds
2013-02-26  4:59                             ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-26 21:57                             ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2013-02-26 22:06                               ` Peter Jones
2013-02-27 12:32                                 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2013-02-27 12:43                                   ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-27 14:14                                   ` Peter Jones
2013-02-26  4:25                         ` Dave Airlie [this message]
2013-02-26  4:45                           ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-02-26  4:55                             ` Dave Airlie
2013-02-26  6:04                               ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-02-26  6:38                                 ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-02-26 10:07                                   ` Raymond Jennings
2013-02-26 10:21                                     ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-26 16:45                                       ` Kent Yoder
2013-02-26 16:54                             ` Peter Jones
2013-02-27 15:24                               ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-02-27 17:36                                 ` Chris Friesen
2013-02-27 17:59                                   ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-02-27 19:21                                     ` Chris Friesen
2013-02-27 19:34                                       ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-02-27 19:14                                   ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-02-27 21:31                                 ` Dave Airlie
2013-02-28  6:27                                   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2013-02-28  7:48                                     ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-02-26 19:40                             ` Florian Weimer
2013-02-26 19:46                               ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-26  4:50                           ` Greg KH
2013-02-28  7:57                 ` Florian Weimer
2013-02-28 15:43                   ` Chris Friesen
2013-02-28 19:26                     ` Florian Weimer
2013-02-28 19:30                     ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-28 19:41                       ` Florian Weimer
2013-02-28 19:53                         ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-28 20:23                           ` Florian Weimer
2013-02-28 20:31                             ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-26 13:34       ` Jiri Kosina
2013-02-26 14:16         ` Raymond Jennings
2013-02-26 15:11       ` David Howells
2013-02-26 16:50         ` Greg KH
2013-02-27  9:35       ` ownssh
2013-02-27 10:17         ` James Courtier-Dutton
2013-02-27 11:27           ` Alexander Holler
2013-02-27 11:49             ` James Courtier-Dutton
2013-02-27 14:56         ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-27 20:35           ` ownssh
2013-03-01 18:21             ` Matthew Garrett
2013-03-01 18:39               ` Gene Heskett
2013-02-28 22:48 ` Jiri Kosina
2013-02-28 22:51   ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-28 23:02     ` Jiri Kosina
2013-02-28 23:05       ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-28 23:45         ` Jiri Kosina
2013-02-28 23:47           ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-28 23:52             ` Jiri Kosina
2013-03-01  0:00               ` Matthew Garrett
2013-03-01  0:08                 ` Jiri Kosina
2013-03-01 10:00     ` Vojtech Pavlik
2013-03-01 14:30       ` Theodore Ts'o

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