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From: Florian Weimer <fw@deneb.enyo.de>
To: Matthew Garrett <mjg59@srcf.ucam.org>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>,
	Josh Boyer <jwboyer@redhat.com>, Peter Jones <pjones@redhat.com>,
	Vivek Goyal <vgoyal@redhat.com>,
	Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>,
	keyrings@linux-nfs.org,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [GIT PULL] Load keys from signed PE binaries
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 15:28:32 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87ppzo79in.fsf@mid.deneb.enyo.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20130221164244.GA19625@srcf.ucam.org> (Matthew Garrett's message of "Thu, 21 Feb 2013 16:42:44 +0000")

* Matthew Garrett:

> There's only one signing authority, and they only sign PE binaries.

There are at least two, with different policies, albeit run by the
same organization.  Actually, we don't know how many authorities are
out there which have non-localized reach, so it's ... interesting to
attempt to construct any form of security based on that.

But what puzzles me most is why anyone would assume that the UEFI
application signing process somehow ensures that the embedded
certificate is non-malicious.  We cannot even track it back to the
submitter because the third-pary market place UEFI authority only
issues pseudonymous proxy certificates.  This utterly useless for any
purpose whatsoever, with the notable exception of avoding one
additional step when setting up a dual-boot machine (which will not
even work reliably until we switch to overwriting the Windows boot
loader, like in the pre-UEFI days).

Seriously, folks, can we go back one step and discuss what problem you
are trying to solve?  Is it about allowing third-party kernel modules
in an environment which does not allow unsigned ring 0 code execution?

  parent reply	other threads:[~2013-02-25 14:28 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 124+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-02-21 15:47 [GIT PULL] Load keys from signed PE binaries David Howells
2013-02-21 16:39 ` Linus Torvalds
2013-02-21 16:42   ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-21 16:58     ` Linus Torvalds
2013-02-21 17:49       ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-21 18:03         ` Linus Torvalds
2013-02-21 18:11           ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-22 14:05           ` Peter Jones
2013-02-25 14:46             ` Florian Weimer
2013-02-25 15:42               ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-25 15:50                 ` Florian Weimer
2013-02-25 16:14                   ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-25 16:20                     ` Chris Friesen
2013-02-26 21:40                       ` Florian Weimer
2013-02-26 22:19                         ` Chris Friesen
2013-02-21 18:17     ` David Howells
2013-02-21 18:25       ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-25 14:33         ` Florian Weimer
2013-02-25 15:42           ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-21 18:25       ` Linus Torvalds
2013-02-21 18:34         ` Peter Jones
2013-02-21 18:56           ` Linus Torvalds
2013-02-21 19:10             ` Peter Jones
2013-02-21 19:10             ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-21 20:31             ` Vivek Goyal
2013-02-21 20:32               ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-21 20:38                 ` Vivek Goyal
2013-03-18  2:12             ` Stephen Rothwell
2013-03-19 18:11             ` David Howells
2013-03-20 16:52             ` David Howells
2013-03-20 23:28               ` Stephen Rothwell
2013-02-21 20:08       ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-02-25 14:28     ` Florian Weimer [this message]
2013-02-25 15:45       ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-26 21:08         ` Florian Weimer
2013-02-25 23:51     ` David Howells
2013-02-26  0:59       ` Greg KH
2013-02-26  2:33         ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-26  3:02           ` Greg KH
2013-02-26  3:13             ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-26  3:25               ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-02-26  3:28                 ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-26  3:32                   ` Linus Torvalds
2013-02-26  3:42                     ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-26  3:45                       ` Linus Torvalds
2013-02-26  3:48                         ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-26  4:31                           ` Linus Torvalds
2013-02-26  4:57                             ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-26 15:30                               ` Vivek Goyal
2013-02-26 15:38                                 ` Vivek Goyal
2013-02-27 17:23                                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2013-02-26 21:30                             ` Florian Weimer
2013-02-26 21:40                               ` Peter Jones
2013-02-26 22:35                                 ` Al Viro
2013-02-26  3:40                   ` Greg KH
2013-02-26  3:45                     ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-26  3:49                   ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-02-26 19:30                   ` Florian Weimer
2013-02-26 19:41                     ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-26  3:31               ` Greg KH
2013-02-26  3:38                 ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-26  3:54                   ` Greg KH
2013-02-26  4:04                     ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-26  4:13                       ` Greg KH
2013-02-26  4:23                         ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-26  4:43                           ` Linus Torvalds
2013-02-26  4:59                             ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-26 21:57                             ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2013-02-26 22:06                               ` Peter Jones
2013-02-27 12:32                                 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2013-02-27 12:43                                   ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-27 14:14                                   ` Peter Jones
2013-02-26  4:25                         ` Dave Airlie
2013-02-26  4:45                           ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-02-26  4:55                             ` Dave Airlie
2013-02-26  6:04                               ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-02-26  6:38                                 ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-02-26 10:07                                   ` Raymond Jennings
2013-02-26 10:21                                     ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-26 16:45                                       ` Kent Yoder
2013-02-26 16:54                             ` Peter Jones
2013-02-27 15:24                               ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-02-27 17:36                                 ` Chris Friesen
2013-02-27 17:59                                   ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-02-27 19:21                                     ` Chris Friesen
2013-02-27 19:34                                       ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-02-27 19:14                                   ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-02-27 21:31                                 ` Dave Airlie
2013-02-28  6:27                                   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2013-02-28  7:48                                     ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-02-26 19:40                             ` Florian Weimer
2013-02-26 19:46                               ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-26  4:50                           ` Greg KH
2013-02-28  7:57                 ` Florian Weimer
2013-02-28 15:43                   ` Chris Friesen
2013-02-28 19:26                     ` Florian Weimer
2013-02-28 19:30                     ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-28 19:41                       ` Florian Weimer
2013-02-28 19:53                         ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-28 20:23                           ` Florian Weimer
2013-02-28 20:31                             ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-26 13:34       ` Jiri Kosina
2013-02-26 14:16         ` Raymond Jennings
2013-02-26 15:11       ` David Howells
2013-02-26 16:50         ` Greg KH
2013-02-27  9:35       ` ownssh
2013-02-27 10:17         ` James Courtier-Dutton
2013-02-27 11:27           ` Alexander Holler
2013-02-27 11:49             ` James Courtier-Dutton
2013-02-27 14:56         ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-27 20:35           ` ownssh
2013-03-01 18:21             ` Matthew Garrett
2013-03-01 18:39               ` Gene Heskett
2013-02-28 22:48 ` Jiri Kosina
2013-02-28 22:51   ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-28 23:02     ` Jiri Kosina
2013-02-28 23:05       ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-28 23:45         ` Jiri Kosina
2013-02-28 23:47           ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-28 23:52             ` Jiri Kosina
2013-03-01  0:00               ` Matthew Garrett
2013-03-01  0:08                 ` Jiri Kosina
2013-03-01 10:00     ` Vojtech Pavlik
2013-03-01 14:30       ` Theodore Ts'o

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