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From: Florian Weimer <fw@deneb.enyo.de>
To: "Theodore Ts'o" <tytso@mit.edu>
Cc: Dave Airlie <airlied@gmail.com>,
	Greg KH <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	Matthew Garrett <mjg59@srcf.ucam.org>,
	David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Josh Boyer <jwboyer@redhat.com>, Peter Jones <pjones@redhat.com>,
	Vivek Goyal <vgoyal@redhat.com>,
	Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>,
	keyrings@linux-nfs.org,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [GIT PULL] Load keys from signed PE binaries
Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 20:40:53 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87621esw1m.fsf@mid.deneb.enyo.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20130226044521.GC12906@thunk.org> (Theodore Ts'o's message of "Mon, 25 Feb 2013 23:45:21 -0500")

* Theodore Ts'o:

> On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 02:25:55PM +1000, Dave Airlie wrote:
>> 
>> Its a simple argument, MS can revoke our keys for whatever reason,
>> reducing the surface area of reasons for them to do so seems like a
>> good idea. Unless someone can read the mind of the MS guy that
>> arbitrarily decides this in 5 years time, or has some sort of signed
>> agreement, I tend towards protecting the users from having their Linux
>> not work anymore, because we were scared of a PE loader in the kernel.
>
> If Microsoft will revoke keys for whatever reason they want, without
> any regard to the potential PR and legal consequences to Microsoft,
> there's absolutely **nothing** you can do, short of choosing to use
> more open hardware (for example, like the Chromebook Pixel).

| No, there's no way to set the legacy boot as the default option.

<https://plus.google.com/100479847213284361344/posts/QhmBpn5GNE9>

So non-interactive booting of alternative operating systems is *not*
supported.  This is way more restrictive than any x86 UEFI device I've
heard of (even in the face of a potential revocation of the boot
loader by Microsoft).

  parent reply	other threads:[~2013-02-26 19:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 124+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-02-21 15:47 [GIT PULL] Load keys from signed PE binaries David Howells
2013-02-21 16:39 ` Linus Torvalds
2013-02-21 16:42   ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-21 16:58     ` Linus Torvalds
2013-02-21 17:49       ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-21 18:03         ` Linus Torvalds
2013-02-21 18:11           ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-22 14:05           ` Peter Jones
2013-02-25 14:46             ` Florian Weimer
2013-02-25 15:42               ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-25 15:50                 ` Florian Weimer
2013-02-25 16:14                   ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-25 16:20                     ` Chris Friesen
2013-02-26 21:40                       ` Florian Weimer
2013-02-26 22:19                         ` Chris Friesen
2013-02-21 18:17     ` David Howells
2013-02-21 18:25       ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-25 14:33         ` Florian Weimer
2013-02-25 15:42           ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-21 18:25       ` Linus Torvalds
2013-02-21 18:34         ` Peter Jones
2013-02-21 18:56           ` Linus Torvalds
2013-02-21 19:10             ` Peter Jones
2013-02-21 19:10             ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-21 20:31             ` Vivek Goyal
2013-02-21 20:32               ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-21 20:38                 ` Vivek Goyal
2013-03-18  2:12             ` Stephen Rothwell
2013-03-19 18:11             ` David Howells
2013-03-20 16:52             ` David Howells
2013-03-20 23:28               ` Stephen Rothwell
2013-02-21 20:08       ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-02-25 14:28     ` Florian Weimer
2013-02-25 15:45       ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-26 21:08         ` Florian Weimer
2013-02-25 23:51     ` David Howells
2013-02-26  0:59       ` Greg KH
2013-02-26  2:33         ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-26  3:02           ` Greg KH
2013-02-26  3:13             ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-26  3:25               ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-02-26  3:28                 ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-26  3:32                   ` Linus Torvalds
2013-02-26  3:42                     ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-26  3:45                       ` Linus Torvalds
2013-02-26  3:48                         ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-26  4:31                           ` Linus Torvalds
2013-02-26  4:57                             ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-26 15:30                               ` Vivek Goyal
2013-02-26 15:38                                 ` Vivek Goyal
2013-02-27 17:23                                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2013-02-26 21:30                             ` Florian Weimer
2013-02-26 21:40                               ` Peter Jones
2013-02-26 22:35                                 ` Al Viro
2013-02-26  3:40                   ` Greg KH
2013-02-26  3:45                     ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-26  3:49                   ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-02-26 19:30                   ` Florian Weimer
2013-02-26 19:41                     ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-26  3:31               ` Greg KH
2013-02-26  3:38                 ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-26  3:54                   ` Greg KH
2013-02-26  4:04                     ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-26  4:13                       ` Greg KH
2013-02-26  4:23                         ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-26  4:43                           ` Linus Torvalds
2013-02-26  4:59                             ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-26 21:57                             ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2013-02-26 22:06                               ` Peter Jones
2013-02-27 12:32                                 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2013-02-27 12:43                                   ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-27 14:14                                   ` Peter Jones
2013-02-26  4:25                         ` Dave Airlie
2013-02-26  4:45                           ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-02-26  4:55                             ` Dave Airlie
2013-02-26  6:04                               ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-02-26  6:38                                 ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-02-26 10:07                                   ` Raymond Jennings
2013-02-26 10:21                                     ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-26 16:45                                       ` Kent Yoder
2013-02-26 16:54                             ` Peter Jones
2013-02-27 15:24                               ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-02-27 17:36                                 ` Chris Friesen
2013-02-27 17:59                                   ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-02-27 19:21                                     ` Chris Friesen
2013-02-27 19:34                                       ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-02-27 19:14                                   ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-02-27 21:31                                 ` Dave Airlie
2013-02-28  6:27                                   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2013-02-28  7:48                                     ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-02-26 19:40                             ` Florian Weimer [this message]
2013-02-26 19:46                               ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-26  4:50                           ` Greg KH
2013-02-28  7:57                 ` Florian Weimer
2013-02-28 15:43                   ` Chris Friesen
2013-02-28 19:26                     ` Florian Weimer
2013-02-28 19:30                     ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-28 19:41                       ` Florian Weimer
2013-02-28 19:53                         ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-28 20:23                           ` Florian Weimer
2013-02-28 20:31                             ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-26 13:34       ` Jiri Kosina
2013-02-26 14:16         ` Raymond Jennings
2013-02-26 15:11       ` David Howells
2013-02-26 16:50         ` Greg KH
2013-02-27  9:35       ` ownssh
2013-02-27 10:17         ` James Courtier-Dutton
2013-02-27 11:27           ` Alexander Holler
2013-02-27 11:49             ` James Courtier-Dutton
2013-02-27 14:56         ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-27 20:35           ` ownssh
2013-03-01 18:21             ` Matthew Garrett
2013-03-01 18:39               ` Gene Heskett
2013-02-28 22:48 ` Jiri Kosina
2013-02-28 22:51   ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-28 23:02     ` Jiri Kosina
2013-02-28 23:05       ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-28 23:45         ` Jiri Kosina
2013-02-28 23:47           ` Matthew Garrett
2013-02-28 23:52             ` Jiri Kosina
2013-03-01  0:00               ` Matthew Garrett
2013-03-01  0:08                 ` Jiri Kosina
2013-03-01 10:00     ` Vojtech Pavlik
2013-03-01 14:30       ` Theodore Ts'o

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