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From: Ulrich Drepper <drepper@redhat.com>
To: fdavis@si.rr.com
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: kernel support for non-english user messages
Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 15:55:52 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3E94A4F8.8060304@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <3E94A1B4.6020602@si.rr.com>

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Frank Davis wrote:

> "My suggestion would be to add the required i18n support to klogd, so
> that kernel messages are translated as they are removed from dmesg into
> syslog. Then, like any i18n support,

This is _not_ like any i18n support.  The problem is that normal
translation support a la gettext or catgets() see the format strings and
not the results.  Translating format strings is easy, translating
results isn't since the translation part has to take the expansion of
the format elements into account.

For numeric format elements this might be possible.  But not without
major problems with %s.  Take hostnames or filenames, which could in
theory contain spaces <U0020>.  You'd have to match using complex
regular expressions.

Another problem is the explosion of messages.  Message lines are often
composed from different sources.  If you see only the end result you'll
have to account for all the different combinations.


I don't say this is impossible, but it is a lot more work, a much more
complex and slower translation mechanism, and (most critical) requires
very strict rules for the creation of messages in the kernel.  I think
the latter point is the killer.

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  reply	other threads:[~2003-04-09 22:44 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 137+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-04-09  5:02 kernel support for non-english user messages Frank Davis
2003-04-09  5:29 ` Oliver Neukum
2003-04-09  5:50   ` Frank Davis
2003-04-09  9:37     ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2003-04-09 11:04   ` Alan Cox
2003-04-09  5:53 ` Andreas Dilger
2003-04-09  8:08 ` Matti Aarnio
2003-04-09  9:33   ` Oliver Neukum
2003-04-09 10:24     ` Matti Aarnio
2003-04-09 22:07   ` Werner Almesberger
2003-04-09 22:41     ` Frank Davis
2003-04-09 22:55       ` Ulrich Drepper [this message]
2003-04-09 23:53         ` Johannes Ruscheinski
2003-04-10  1:43       ` Richard B. Johnson
2003-04-10 18:57         ` Alan Cox
2003-04-10 20:13           ` Trond Myklebust
2003-04-10 19:42             ` Alan Cox
2003-04-11  0:48               ` Christer Weinigel
2003-04-11 15:56                 ` Daniel Stekloff
2003-04-10 20:53             ` Richard B. Johnson
2003-04-10 23:05               ` Jon Portnoy
2003-04-11  5:39                 ` DevilKin
2003-04-11  5:49                   ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2003-04-11  6:17                     ` DevilKin
2003-04-11 17:51                     ` Randy.Dunlap
2003-04-11 11:57               ` Helge Hafting
2003-04-11 17:55                 ` David Lang
2003-04-10 20:36           ` John Bradford
2003-04-10 22:20             ` Shaya Potter
2003-04-11  4:19               ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2003-04-11  4:23                 ` Shaya Potter
2003-04-11  8:40                   ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2003-04-11  9:09                 ` John Bradford
2003-04-11 10:59                   ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2003-04-11 11:11                     ` John Bradford
2003-04-11 11:40                 ` Helge Hafting
2003-04-24 23:25             ` versioned filesystems in linux (was Re: kernel support for non-english user messages) Stewart Smith
2003-04-25  7:14               ` John Bradford
2003-04-25 15:20               ` Matthew Sell
2003-04-25 15:45                 ` Richard B. Johnson
2003-04-25 16:18                   ` versioned filesystems in linux (was Re: kernel support for John Bradford
2003-04-25 17:06                     ` Richard B. Johnson
2003-04-25 17:48                       ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2003-04-25 19:38                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2003-04-25 21:21                           ` 9-track tape drive (Was: Re: versioned filesystems in linux) John Bradford
2003-04-25 21:22                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2003-04-25 21:31                               ` Mike Dresser
2003-04-26  6:32                                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2003-04-26  6:57                                   ` John Bradford
2003-04-25 18:13                       ` versioned filesystems in linux (was Re: kernel support for John Bradford
2003-04-25 18:34                         ` Richard B. Johnson
2003-04-10  8:19       ` kernel support for non-english user messages Oliver Neukum
2003-04-09 13:11 ` Giuliano Pochini
2003-04-10  3:08 ` Linus Torvalds
2003-04-10  9:05   ` kernel support for non-English " Riley Williams
2003-04-10 17:35     ` Linus Torvalds
2003-04-10 18:32       ` John Bradford
2003-04-12  2:55       ` Chris Wedgwood
2003-04-09 19:01 kernel support for non-english " Perez-Gonzalez, Inaky
2003-04-09 19:25 Perez-Gonzalez, Inaky
2003-04-09 23:31 Jim Keniston[UNIX]
2003-04-10 19:01 ` Alan Cox
2003-04-11  9:21   ` kernel support for non-English " Riley Williams
2003-04-11 12:16     ` Alan Cox
2003-04-11 13:39       ` John Bradford
2003-04-11 13:11         ` Alan Cox
2003-04-11 14:48           ` John Bradford
2003-04-10 10:47 kernel support for non-english " Ruth Ivimey-Cook
2003-04-10 19:21 Perez-Gonzalez, Inaky
2003-04-10 20:41 ` Robert White
2003-04-11  9:21   ` kernel support for non-English " Riley Williams
2003-04-11 20:49     ` Robert White
2003-04-11 22:53       ` Riley Williams
2003-04-15  3:44         ` Robert White
2003-04-15 11:08           ` Alan Cox
2003-04-15 11:08           ` Alan Cox
2003-04-15 14:07           ` Timothy Miller
2003-04-11 21:04     ` Ruth Ivimey-Cook
2003-04-11 21:31       ` Daniel Stekloff
2003-04-10 20:54 kernel support for non-english " Chuck Ebbert
2003-04-10 21:08 ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2003-04-10 21:20 Perez-Gonzalez, Inaky
2003-04-10 22:06 ` Andreas Dilger
2003-04-11  7:38   ` Ville Herva
2003-04-10 22:13 Chuck Ebbert
2003-04-10 22:33 ` Stephen Hemminger
2003-04-10 23:23 Chuck Ebbert
2003-04-11 10:10 Chuck Ebbert
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     [not found]   ` <20030409221017$6c98@gated-at.bofh.it>
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2003-04-11 11:29             ` Tim Connors
2003-04-11 13:17 kernel support for non-English " Chuck Ebbert
2003-04-11 13:40 ` John Bradford
2003-04-16  1:59   ` Gerrit Huizenga
2003-04-16 14:28     ` Timothy Miller
2003-04-16 14:37       ` Alan Cox
2003-04-16 16:20         ` Timothy Miller
2003-04-16 17:04       ` Bruce Harada
2003-04-16 18:34         ` Timothy Miller
2003-04-16 18:37           ` Bruce Harada
2003-04-11 14:37 ` Richard B. Johnson
2003-04-11 16:00 ` Linus Torvalds
2003-04-12  8:22 ` Kai Henningsen
2003-04-12 11:08   ` John Bradford
2003-04-11 14:52 Paolo Ciarrocchi
2003-04-11 16:57 Chuck Ebbert
2003-04-11 17:38 ` Richard B. Johnson
2003-04-11 18:10 ` Matti Aarnio
2003-04-11 20:02 kernel support for non-english " Perez-Gonzalez, Inaky
     [not found] <A46BBDB345A7D5118EC90002A5072C780BEBA7DD@orsmsx116.jf.inte l.com>
2003-04-11 20:55 ` Ruth Ivimey-Cook
2003-04-11 22:21 kernel support for non-English " Chuck Ebbert
2003-04-11 22:53 ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-04-12  7:55   ` John Bradford
2003-04-12  7:48 ` John Bradford
2003-04-14 11:40 ` Denis Vlasenko
2003-04-14 12:55   ` John Bradford
2003-04-14 17:29     ` Linus Torvalds
2003-04-14 18:15       ` John Bradford
2003-04-14 23:04       ` Felipe Alfaro Solana
2003-04-15 13:21       ` Alex Combas
2003-04-15 18:02       ` Eric Altendorf
2003-04-17 13:46         ` Alan Cox
2003-04-17 15:07         ` Randolph Bentson
2003-04-17 18:49           ` Eric Altendorf
2003-04-14 13:18   ` Sean Neakums
2003-04-14 14:23   ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2003-04-16  5:03     ` Denis Vlasenko
2003-04-11 23:36 Jim Keniston[UNIX]
2003-04-11 23:38 Chuck Ebbert
2003-04-12  9:52 Chuck Ebbert
2003-04-12 15:20 Chuck Ebbert
2003-04-12 15:34 ` Alan Cox
2003-04-12 17:22   ` Robert P. J. Day
2003-04-13  3:59     ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-04-13  6:21   ` John Bradford
2003-04-12 16:47 Chuck Ebbert
2003-04-12 20:31 Chuck Ebbert
2003-04-14  9:07 ` Denis Vlasenko
2003-04-14 21:27 Chuck Ebbert

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