From: michael chang <thenewme91@gmail.com>
To: Kyle Moffett <mrmacman_g4@mac.com>
Cc: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
Denis Vlasenko <vda@ilport.com.ua>,
chriswhite@gentoo.org, Hans Reiser <reiser@namesys.com>,
LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
ReiserFS List <reiserfs-list@namesys.com>
Subject: Re: I request inclusion of reiser4 in the mainline kernel
Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 20:56:57 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <b14e81f00509181756275e435c@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <D039E613-2D78-4034-A1E9-8D21DCE796E3@mac.com>
On 9/18/05, Kyle Moffett <mrmacman_g4@mac.com> wrote:
> On Sep 18, 2005, at 13:22:27, michael chang wrote:
> > On 9/18/05, Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org> wrote:
> >
> >> On Sun, Sep 18, 2005 at 01:21:23PM +0300, Denis Vlasenko wrote:
> >>
> >>> This is it. I do not say "accept reiser4 NOW", I am saying "give
> >>> Hans good code review".
> >>
> >> that and there's much more exciting filesystems like ocfs2 around
> >> that
> >
> > This is exciting to... whom?
>
> To the people that review the code. We're all volunteers here; if
> your filesystem is so ugly and hard to read that the code reviewers
> don't feel like finding time to slog through the mess, then it
> probably means that you need to clean the code, document it better,
> make it simpler to understand, fix the coding-style, etc.
>
> > The only thing that appears remotely interesting about it is that
> > it's made by Oracle and apparently is supposed to be geared toward
> > parallel server whatsits. This might be helpful to corporations,
> > but seems senseless toward many consumers. (I'm assuming there's
> > still at least one consumer left who still uses Linux.)
>
> Like I said above, we're all volunteers. Personally, I find OCFS2
> _much_ more interesting than reiser4, because it has a lot of cool
> networked lock-managing algorithms that (given my current limited
> understanding), work black magic. Given this, I'm a lot more likely
> to spend time reading the OCFS2 code because its interesting than I
> am reading reiser4 code, even though somebody eventually probably
> needs to do said review. Hans' personal attacks on the people who
> have criticized his code make such tasks even less personally
> gratifying (IE: less interesting). I think some people are likely
> hoping right now that if they put off the reiser4 code review long
> enough, maybe the authors will take a hint and have it a bit cleaner
> by the time they finally do get around to the review.
>
> > Give Hans a chance; and please try to understand, even if he's hard
> > to work with. Discriminate him because he's not a developer you
> > can talk with, and I believe that's like discriminating a guy in a
> > wheelchair because he can't run with you when you jog in the morning.
>
> When you start getting into obscure discrimination analogies, the
> discussion has become _way_ nontechnical. If this goes this goes any
> further, somebody's probably going to compare a kernel developer to a
> Nazi or Hitler, invoking Godwin's law and effectively killing the
> thread. Please get this back onto a technical bent or drop it.
>
> > Not everyone has the same "common sense" that you do. Explain,
> > fully, with reasoning, and reproducable back-up statistics on
> > common hardware, what code is wrong, and what must be written
> > instead. We'd like to be efficient, and it's not being efficient
> > to play a guessing
> > game with us. If you don't have the time to review, then please
> > hold off on replying until you have a through review of at least
> > part of the code.
>
> Christoph has noted a number of things in previous emails. I just
> looked through the latest released code and several of them are still
> valid. I would look through the latest code to see what is still
> missing, but I can't get it on account of it being in bitkeeper,
> which I don't have installed and don't intend to install.
>
> > I'm willing to go compare... [massive nontechnical rhetoric snipped]
>
> Unless you have technical arguments to contribute (and you indicate
> that you do not), please to not spam the LKML with useless rhetoric-
> filled emails that most of us will delete because we have too many
> other things to do to bother reading or responding to.
>
Alright, I concede.
Personally, I'm not much of a techie compared to you guys; I'm only in
High School, and I have a mental disorder
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asperger's_Syndrome), so I'll stop here,
and hope that you guys can resolve this yourselves. Good luck to all,
and hopefully there will be a peaceful resolution here.
--
~Mike
- Just my two cents
- No man is an island, and no man is unable.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2005-09-19 0:56 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 143+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2005-09-16 17:05 I request inclusion of reiser4 in the mainline kernel Hans Reiser
2005-09-16 17:15 ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-09-16 17:40 ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-09-16 19:39 ` Hans Reiser
2005-09-16 19:52 ` Kyle Moffett
2005-09-17 10:51 ` Denis Vlasenko
2005-09-19 5:01 ` Hans Reiser
2005-09-16 20:50 ` Lennart Sorensen
2005-09-16 20:53 ` Lennart Sorensen
2005-09-19 5:09 ` Hans Reiser
2005-09-17 9:22 ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-09-17 10:56 ` Denis Vlasenko
2005-09-17 11:15 ` Denis Vlasenko
2005-09-18 0:34 ` Chris White
2005-09-18 10:21 ` Denis Vlasenko
2005-09-18 10:26 ` Christoph Hellwig
[not found] ` <200509181406.25922.chrivers@iversen-net.dk>
2005-09-18 12:32 ` Denis Vlasenko
2005-09-18 18:25 ` David Masover
2005-09-19 5:16 ` Hans Reiser
2005-09-19 5:56 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2005-09-19 6:53 ` Hans Reiser
2005-09-18 17:22 ` michael chang
2005-09-18 19:16 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2005-09-18 20:04 ` Horst von Brand
2005-09-18 20:29 ` David Masover
2005-09-18 21:43 ` Dan Oglesby
2005-09-19 1:37 ` PFC
2005-09-19 1:53 ` Kyle Moffett
2005-09-19 2:48 ` Dr.Dre
2005-09-19 4:37 ` Marc Perkel
2005-09-18 20:33 ` Marc Perkel
2005-09-19 5:44 ` Hans Reiser
2005-09-19 10:39 ` Nikita Danilov
2005-09-19 18:51 ` Hans Reiser
2005-09-19 10:51 ` Alan Cox
2005-09-19 23:03 ` Horst von Brand
2005-09-20 8:00 ` Hans Reiser
2005-09-20 7:51 ` Pavel Machek
2005-09-20 14:41 ` David Masover
2005-09-20 17:25 ` Hans Reiser
2005-09-20 18:17 ` Horst von Brand
[not found] ` <20050920175727.GA17820@thunk.org>
[not found] ` <1127240326.10407.22.camel@localhost>
2005-09-20 21:11 ` Theodore Ts'o
2005-09-21 0:08 ` Hans Reiser
2005-09-21 9:05 ` Vitaly Fertman
2005-09-20 17:46 ` Hans Reiser
[not found] ` <200509202328.28501.rik@osrc.info>
2005-09-20 20:15 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2005-09-20 21:17 ` Theodore Ts'o
2005-09-20 21:33 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2005-09-20 21:37 ` Pavel Machek
[not found] ` <200509210133.41710.rik@osrc.info>
2005-09-20 22:10 ` Pavel Machek
2005-09-21 0:22 ` Hans Reiser
2005-09-21 0:04 ` Theodore Ts'o
2005-09-21 0:13 ` Hans Reiser
2005-09-21 0:27 ` Ric Wheeler
2005-09-21 0:44 ` Hans Reiser
2005-09-21 1:12 ` Ric Wheeler
2005-09-21 3:05 ` Hans Reiser
2005-09-21 4:55 ` Gregory Maxwell
2005-09-21 11:21 ` Ric Wheeler
2005-09-21 17:36 ` Hans Reiser
2005-09-21 18:12 ` Ric Wheeler
2005-09-21 10:16 ` Vitaly Fertman
2005-09-21 1:01 ` Gregory Maxwell
2005-09-21 1:15 ` Ric Wheeler
2005-09-23 6:21 ` David Greaves
2005-09-23 11:37 ` Gregory Maxwell
2005-09-18 20:52 ` Kyle Moffett
2005-09-19 0:56 ` michael chang [this message]
2005-09-18 21:38 ` Alan Cox
2005-09-19 5:07 ` Hans Reiser
2005-09-19 9:01 ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-09-19 9:16 ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-09-19 9:21 ` Andrew Morton
2005-09-19 10:43 ` Alan Cox
2005-09-19 18:50 ` Hans Reiser
2005-09-19 18:51 ` Hans Reiser
2005-09-19 12:45 ` Jens Axboe
2005-09-20 4:16 ` Nick Piggin
2005-09-20 6:28 ` Hans Reiser
2005-09-20 7:16 ` Nick Piggin
2005-09-20 7:59 ` Hans Reiser
2005-09-20 8:31 ` elevators (was Re: I request inclusion of reiser4 in the mainline kernel) Nick Piggin
2005-09-20 17:18 ` Hans Reiser
2005-09-20 11:42 ` I request inclusion of reiser4 in the mainline kernel Jens Axboe
2005-09-20 13:30 ` Lorenzo Allegrucci
2005-09-20 13:41 ` Jens Axboe
2005-09-20 13:55 ` Nikita Danilov
2005-09-20 17:46 ` Hans Reiser
2005-09-20 15:25 ` Randy.Dunlap
2005-09-20 17:21 ` Hans Reiser
2005-09-20 18:18 ` Jens Axboe
2005-09-20 15:42 ` Horst von Brand
2005-09-20 17:46 ` Hans Reiser
2005-09-20 18:25 ` Jens Axboe
2005-09-20 18:27 ` Nikita Danilov
2005-09-21 21:16 ` Hans Reiser
2005-09-21 21:37 ` Nikita Danilov
2005-09-21 22:07 ` Hans Reiser
2005-09-20 17:55 ` Hans Reiser
2005-09-19 20:00 ` Bill Davidsen
2005-09-19 21:55 ` Hans Reiser
2005-09-18 10:23 ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-09-18 18:10 ` David Masover
2005-09-19 20:41 ` Alexander Zarochentsev
2005-09-26 15:03 ` Vladimir V. Saveliev
2005-10-04 19:00 ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-10-04 21:10 ` Hans Reiser
2005-11-11 16:15 ` Vladimir V. Saveliev
2006-01-09 9:54 ` What's the state of Reiser4 inclusion " Giovanni A. Orlando
2006-01-09 9:15 ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-09-17 11:16 ` I request inclusion of reiser4 " Denis Vlasenko
2005-09-18 3:06 ` George Garvey
2005-09-18 10:02 ` Nikita Danilov
2005-09-19 19:36 ` Stephen Pollei
2005-09-19 21:10 ` Nikita Danilov
2005-09-19 21:47 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2005-09-19 22:01 ` Hans Reiser
2005-09-19 23:15 ` Horst von Brand
2005-09-20 3:57 ` Stephen Pollei
2005-09-20 9:30 ` Nikita Danilov
2005-09-20 15:36 ` Horst von Brand
2005-09-20 17:43 ` Hans Reiser
2005-09-20 18:36 ` Horst von Brand
2005-09-20 22:08 ` Stephen Pollei
2005-09-21 0:21 ` Hans Reiser
2005-09-21 10:47 ` Nikita Danilov
2005-09-21 17:34 ` Hans Reiser
2005-09-21 18:31 ` Nikita Danilov
2005-09-21 18:39 ` Hans Reiser
2005-09-20 17:53 ` Alexandre Oliva
2005-09-20 22:57 ` Stephen Pollei
2005-09-21 8:15 ` Alexandre Oliva
2005-09-18 22:12 ` Hans Reiser
2005-09-18 11:06 ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-09-19 9:18 ` Vladimir V. Saveliev
2005-09-19 9:24 ` Christoph Hellwig
[not found] ` <43302CF7.2010901@namesys.com>
[not found] ` <20050920154711.GA6698@infradead.org>
2005-09-30 12:10 ` Vladimir V. Saveliev
2005-09-30 17:27 ` Nikita Danilov
2005-10-04 18:12 ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-09-19 9:40 ` Alexey Dobriyan
2005-09-20 22:40 James Lamanna
2005-09-20 23:46 ` Vadim Lobanov
2005-09-20 23:51 ` James Lamanna
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