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From: Minchan Kim <minchan.kim@gmail.com>
To: Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] mm: disallow direct reclaim page writeback
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 09:24:33 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <m2h28c262361004131724ycf9bf4a5xd9b1bad2b4797f50@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1271117878-19274-1-git-send-email-david@fromorbit.com>

Hi, Dave.

On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 9:17 AM, Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com> wrote:
> From: Dave Chinner <dchinner@redhat.com>
>
> When we enter direct reclaim we may have used an arbitrary amount of stack
> space, and hence enterring the filesystem to do writeback can then lead to
> stack overruns. This problem was recently encountered x86_64 systems with
> 8k stacks running XFS with simple storage configurations.
>
> Writeback from direct reclaim also adversely affects background writeback. The
> background flusher threads should already be taking care of cleaning dirty
> pages, and direct reclaim will kick them if they aren't already doing work. If
> direct reclaim is also calling ->writepage, it will cause the IO patterns from
> the background flusher threads to be upset by LRU-order writeback from
> pageout() which can be effectively random IO. Having competing sources of IO
> trying to clean pages on the same backing device reduces throughput by
> increasing the amount of seeks that the backing device has to do to write back
> the pages.
>
> Hence for direct reclaim we should not allow ->writepages to be entered at all.
> Set up the relevant scan_control structures to enforce this, and prevent
> sc->may_writepage from being set in other places in the direct reclaim path in
> response to other events.

I think your solution is rather aggressive change as Mel and Kosaki
already pointed out.
Do flush thread aware LRU of dirty pages in system level recency not
dirty pages recency?
Of course flush thread can clean dirty pages faster than direct reclaimer.
But if it don't aware LRUness, hot page thrashing can be happened by
corner case.
It could lost write merge.

And non-rotation storage might be not big of seek cost.
I think we have to consider that case if we decide to change direct reclaim I/O.

How do we separate the problem?

1. stack hogging problem.
2. direct reclaim random write.

And try to solve one by one instead of all at once.

-- 
Kind regards,
Minchan Kim

  parent reply	other threads:[~2010-04-14  0:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 115+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-04-13  0:17 [PATCH] mm: disallow direct reclaim page writeback Dave Chinner
2010-04-13  8:31 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-04-13 10:29   ` Dave Chinner
2010-04-13 11:39     ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-04-13 14:36       ` Dave Chinner
2010-04-14  3:12         ` Dave Chinner
2010-04-14  6:52           ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-04-15  1:56             ` Dave Chinner
2010-04-14  6:52         ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-04-14  7:36           ` Dave Chinner
2010-04-13  9:58 ` Mel Gorman
2010-04-13 11:19   ` Dave Chinner
2010-04-13 19:34     ` Mel Gorman
2010-04-13 20:20       ` Chris Mason
2010-04-14  1:40         ` Dave Chinner
2010-04-14  4:59           ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-04-14  5:41             ` Dave Chinner
2010-04-14  5:54               ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-04-14  6:13                 ` Minchan Kim
2010-04-14  7:19                   ` Minchan Kim
2010-04-14  9:42                     ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-04-14 10:01                       ` Minchan Kim
2010-04-14 10:07                         ` Mel Gorman
2010-04-14 10:16                           ` Minchan Kim
2010-04-14  7:06                 ` Dave Chinner
2010-04-14  6:52           ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-04-14  7:28             ` Dave Chinner
2010-04-14  8:51               ` Mel Gorman
2010-04-15  1:34                 ` Dave Chinner
2010-04-15  4:09                   ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-04-15  4:11                     ` [PATCH 1/4] vmscan: delegate pageout io to flusher thread if current is kswapd KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-04-15  8:05                       ` Suleiman Souhlal
2010-04-15  8:17                         ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-04-15  8:26                           ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-04-15 10:30                             ` Johannes Weiner
2010-04-15 17:24                               ` Suleiman Souhlal
2010-04-20  2:56                               ` Ying Han
2010-04-15  9:32                         ` Dave Chinner
2010-04-15  9:41                           ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-04-15 17:27                           ` Suleiman Souhlal
2010-04-15 23:33                             ` Dave Chinner
2010-04-15 23:41                               ` Suleiman Souhlal
2010-04-16  9:50                               ` Alan Cox
2010-04-17  3:06                                 ` Dave Chinner
2010-04-15  8:18                       ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-04-15 10:31                       ` Mel Gorman
2010-04-15 11:26                         ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-04-15  4:13                     ` [PATCH 2/4] vmscan: kill prev_priority completely KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-04-15  4:14                     ` [PATCH 3/4] vmscan: move priority variable into scan_control KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-04-15  4:15                     ` [PATCH 4/4] vmscan: delegate page cleaning io to flusher thread if VM pressure is low KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-04-15  4:35                     ` [PATCH] mm: disallow direct reclaim page writeback KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-04-15  6:32                       ` Dave Chinner
2010-04-15  6:44                         ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-04-15  6:58                           ` Dave Chinner
2010-04-15  6:20                     ` Dave Chinner
2010-04-15  6:35                       ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-04-15  8:54                         ` Dave Chinner
2010-04-15 10:21                           ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-04-15 10:23                             ` [PATCH 1/4] vmscan: simplify shrink_inactive_list() KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-04-15 13:15                               ` Mel Gorman
2010-04-15 15:01                                 ` Andi Kleen
2010-04-15 15:44                                   ` Mel Gorman
2010-04-15 16:54                                     ` Andi Kleen
2010-04-15 23:40                                       ` Dave Chinner
2010-04-16  7:13                                         ` Andi Kleen
2010-04-16 14:57                                         ` Mel Gorman
2010-04-17  2:37                                           ` Dave Chinner
2010-04-16 14:55                                       ` Mel Gorman
2010-04-15 18:22                                 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2010-04-16  9:39                                   ` Mel Gorman
2010-04-15 10:24                             ` [PATCH 2/4] [cleanup] mm: introduce free_pages_prepare KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-04-15 13:33                               ` Mel Gorman
2010-04-15 10:24                             ` [PATCH 3/4] mm: introduce free_pages_bulk KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-04-15 13:46                               ` Mel Gorman
2010-04-15 10:26                             ` [PATCH 4/4] vmscan: replace the pagevec in shrink_inactive_list() with list KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-04-15 10:28                   ` [PATCH] mm: disallow direct reclaim page writeback Mel Gorman
2010-04-15 13:42                     ` Chris Mason
2010-04-15 17:50                       ` tytso
2010-04-16 15:05                       ` Mel Gorman
2010-04-19 15:15                         ` Mel Gorman
2010-04-16  4:14                     ` Dave Chinner
2010-04-16 15:14                       ` Mel Gorman
2010-04-18  0:32                         ` Andrew Morton
2010-04-18 19:05                           ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-04-18 16:31                             ` Andrew Morton
2010-04-18 19:35                               ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-04-18 19:11                             ` Sorin Faibish
2010-04-18 19:10                           ` Sorin Faibish
2010-04-18 21:30                             ` James Bottomley
2010-04-18 23:34                               ` Sorin Faibish
2010-04-19  3:08                               ` tytso
2010-04-19  0:35                           ` Dave Chinner
2010-04-19  0:49                             ` Arjan van de Ven
2010-04-19  1:08                               ` Dave Chinner
2010-04-19  4:32                                 ` Arjan van de Ven
2010-04-19 15:20                         ` Mel Gorman
2010-04-23  1:06                           ` Dave Chinner
2010-04-23 10:50                             ` Mel Gorman
2010-04-15 14:57                   ` Andi Kleen
2010-04-15  2:37                 ` Johannes Weiner
2010-04-15  2:43                   ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-04-16 23:56                     ` Johannes Weiner
2010-04-14  6:52         ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-04-14 10:06         ` Andi Kleen
2010-04-14 11:20           ` Chris Mason
2010-04-14 12:15             ` Andi Kleen
2010-04-14 12:32               ` Alan Cox
2010-04-14 12:34                 ` Andi Kleen
2010-04-14 13:23             ` Mel Gorman
2010-04-14 14:07               ` Chris Mason
2010-04-14  0:24 ` Minchan Kim [this message]
2010-04-14  4:44   ` Dave Chinner
2010-04-14  7:54     ` Minchan Kim
2010-04-16  1:13 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-04-16  4:18   ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki

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