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From: Konstantin Ryabitsev <konstantin@linuxfoundation.org>
To: Greg KH <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>
Cc: Eric Wong <e@80x24.org>,
	patchwork@lists.ozlabs.org, workflows@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: RFE: use patchwork to submit a patch
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2019 12:11:41 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20191015161141.GD11491@chatter.i7.local> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20191012071911.GA2034802@kroah.com>

On Sat, Oct 12, 2019 at 09:19:11AM +0200, Greg KH wrote:
>> This is basically why SMTP sucks in my view -- and it's worthless 
>> trying to
>> pick fights with IT departments, because they are told to do so by lawyers.
>> So, I want to take SMTP out of the equation:
>>
>> 1. provide a way for someone to submit a patch using a web interface   (but
>> still in a way that From: is their corporate ID)
>
>If you do this, what happens when a maintainer/reviewer responds to that
>patch and says "looks good, but can you change X and resend it?"
>
>How will they get that message if it didn't go through their email
>system?  How will they be able to respond to it?

The magic of git and email headers. Only the initial submission will go 
out of this web service -- the follow-up is expected to arrive into 
their mailbox.

>> 2. use individual git feeds as a way to send out patches instead of   always
>> being secondary to SMTP
>
>Sending patches that way is one thing, the interaction based on those
>patches is another.
>
>Everyone needs to remember that only 1/3 of the patches submitted are
>applied.  The "normal" path of development is at least a review/resend
>cycle for submissions (2/3 of patches).  So that 2/3 can't be ignored as
>the "new/drive-by submissions" are probably more in that category than
>not.

Right, the idea is that the imaginary tool that is backed by 
public-inbox will use multiple sources of content:

- the mailing list repository
- individual developer feeds
- the person's imap folder

Anything that shows up in the individual feeds should have a 
corresponding entry in the mailing list repository, but the latter is 
also cryptographically signed and therefore end-to-end attestable.  
Mailing lists and SMTP continue to be the fallback delivery method for 
the vast majority of the content.

I expect to lay this out in more detail as I prepare the "kthul MVP" 
roadplan.

-K

  parent reply	other threads:[~2019-10-15 16:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 96+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-10-10 14:41 RFE: use patchwork to submit a patch Konstantin Ryabitsev
2019-10-10 18:07 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-10-10 19:42   ` Steven Rostedt
2019-10-10 19:53   ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2019-10-10 20:05     ` Eric Wong
2019-10-10 20:21       ` Jonathan Nieder
2019-10-10 20:36         ` Eric Wong
2019-10-11 18:05     ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-10-10 20:20 ` Jonathan Nieder
2019-10-10 21:38 ` Daniel Axtens
2019-10-10 22:05   ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2019-10-11  8:57 ` Greg KH
2019-10-11 17:20   ` Shuah Khan
2019-10-11 17:37     ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-10-11 18:01       ` Steven Rostedt
2019-10-11 18:32         ` David Miller
2019-10-11 18:44           ` Steven Rostedt
2019-10-11 18:51             ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-10-11 18:59           ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-10-11 19:02             ` Drew DeVault
2019-10-11 19:11             ` David Miller
2019-10-11 21:19               ` Stephen Hemminger
2019-10-11 21:47                 ` Steven Rostedt
2019-10-11 22:54                   ` Dave Airlie
2019-10-11 23:00                     ` Steven Rostedt
2019-10-12  0:08                       ` Stephen Hemminger
2019-10-12  0:14                         ` Steven Rostedt
2019-10-13 23:38                         ` Daniel Axtens
2019-10-14 10:42                           ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2019-10-14 12:26                             ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2019-10-14 13:18                               ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2019-10-14 13:41                               ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-10-14 13:53                                 ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2019-10-14 14:28                                   ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2019-10-14 15:25                                     ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2019-10-14 12:27                             ` Daniel Axtens
2019-10-14 13:19                           ` Steven Rostedt
2019-10-14 14:58     ` Dmitry Vyukov
2019-10-14 15:12       ` Laurent Pinchart
2019-10-15  4:49         ` Dmitry Vyukov
2019-10-15 16:30           ` Laurent Pinchart
2019-10-14 15:17       ` Greg KH
2019-10-14 15:27         ` Laurent Pinchart
2019-10-15  4:41         ` Dmitry Vyukov
2019-10-15 16:07           ` Greg KH
2019-10-14 20:56       ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2019-10-15  4:39         ` Dmitry Vyukov
2019-10-15 12:37         ` Steven Rostedt
2019-10-15 13:35           ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2019-10-15 14:05             ` Steven Rostedt
2019-10-15 15:21             ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2019-10-15 16:37           ` Laurent Pinchart
2019-10-15 16:47             ` Steven Rostedt
2019-10-21 15:39               ` Laurent Pinchart
2019-10-24 13:15                 ` Steven Rostedt
2019-10-24 13:33                   ` Dmitry Vyukov
2019-10-24 13:58                     ` Steven Rostedt
2019-10-24 14:12                       ` Dmitry Vyukov
2019-10-15  8:57       ` Eric Wong
2019-10-15  9:11         ` Dmitry Vyukov
2019-10-15 16:24           ` Laurent Pinchart
2019-10-15 16:27           ` Laurent Pinchart
2019-10-21 11:16       ` Dmitry Vyukov
2019-11-08  9:44       ` Dmitry Vyukov
2019-11-08 14:02         ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2019-11-08 14:11           ` Dmitry Vyukov
2019-11-08 14:12             ` Dmitry Vyukov
2019-11-08 14:17               ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2019-11-08 14:25                 ` Dmitry Vyukov
2019-11-09  4:31                   ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2019-11-11  9:35                     ` Dmitry Vyukov
2019-11-11 12:08                       ` Mark Brown
2019-11-11 16:17                       ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2019-11-11 20:38                   ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2019-11-08 14:17           ` Laurent Pinchart
2019-10-11 20:02   ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2019-10-11 21:23     ` Eric Wong
2019-10-11 21:35       ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2019-10-12  7:19         ` Greg KH
2019-10-14 11:31           ` Mark Brown
2019-10-15 16:11           ` Konstantin Ryabitsev [this message]
2019-10-13 23:39         ` Eric Wong
2019-10-14  7:30           ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2019-10-14 22:18             ` Eric Wong
2019-10-15 15:34           ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2019-10-14 15:33         ` Laurent Pinchart
2019-10-15 15:40           ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2019-10-15 16:32             ` Laurent Pinchart
2019-10-15 16:34               ` Drew DeVault
2019-10-15 16:44                 ` Laurent Pinchart
2019-10-15 17:07                   ` Drew DeVault
2019-10-15 17:24               ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2019-10-11 22:57     ` Dave Airlie
2019-10-12  7:31     ` Greg KH
2019-10-12 13:16 ` Stephen Finucane
2019-10-12 16:13   ` Stephen Finucane

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