From: Darren Hart <dvhart@linux.intel.com>
To: Willy Tarreau <w@1wt.eu>
Cc: NeilBrown <neilb@suse.de>,
Sarah Sharp <sarah.a.sharp@linux.intel.com>,
Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>,
Guenter Roeck <linux@roeck-us.net>,
Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
Dave Jones <davej@redhat.com>,
Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
stable <stable@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [ 00/19] 3.10.1-stable review
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 08:40:15 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1373989215.12825.25.camel@envy.home> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20130716061341.GD12242@1wt.eu>
On Tue, 2013-07-16 at 08:13 +0200, Willy Tarreau wrote:
> It can seem counter-producting first (as Sarah thinks) but I think that
> the competent people find their way in this simply because they're backed
> up by other ones. That's how I think we get that number of skilled people
> at the top of each subsystem.
>
Hi Will,
I think you've made some excellent points and have done a good job
relating the mostly digital interactions to more direct and tangible
ones.
You have postulated (I believe) that because we have top-quality
maintainers (and I agree, we do), the process must be working. Perhaps
that was my interpretation and not your intent, but others have voiced
such opinions as well, so the following is still relevant.
What that argument fails to take into account are the top-quality
maintainers and contributors who are not present because of the
sometimes caustic environment of Linux kernel development: "survivor's
bias". There is a great article on the subject I read recently here:
http://youarenotsosmart.com/2013/05/23/survivorship-bias/
--
Darren Hart
Intel Open Source Technology Center
Yocto Project - Linux Kernel
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2013-07-15 15:52 [ 00/19] 3.10.1-stable review Sarah Sharp
2013-07-15 17:08 ` Linus Torvalds
2013-07-15 17:46 ` Sarah Sharp
2013-07-15 17:50 ` Linus Torvalds
2013-07-15 18:04 ` Sarah Sharp
2013-07-15 18:17 ` Linus Torvalds
2013-07-15 18:46 ` Sarah Sharp
2013-07-15 19:07 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-15 19:07 ` Linus Torvalds
2013-07-15 19:53 ` Sarah Sharp
2013-07-15 20:41 ` Sarah Sharp
2013-07-15 21:01 ` Kees Cook
2013-07-15 21:50 ` Linus Torvalds
2013-07-15 22:08 ` [ATTEND] How to act on LKML (was: [ 00/19] 3.10.1-stable review) Steven Rostedt
2013-07-15 22:27 ` [ATTEND] How to act on LKML Randy Dunlap
2013-07-15 22:36 ` [ATTEND] How to act on LKML (was: [ 00/19] 3.10.1-stable review) Sarah Sharp
2013-07-15 23:15 ` Guenter Roeck
2013-07-16 0:17 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-16 3:14 ` NeilBrown
2013-07-16 3:34 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-16 3:37 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-16 4:12 ` Darren Hart
2013-07-16 5:12 ` Willy Tarreau
2013-07-17 7:46 ` [Ksummit-2013-discuss] " Dan Carpenter
2013-07-15 23:49 ` Darren Hart
2013-07-16 2:43 ` [ATTEND] How to act on LKML Chris Ball
2013-07-16 3:06 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-16 3:36 ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-07-16 15:49 ` Stefano Stabellini
2013-07-16 16:16 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-16 16:58 ` Stefano Stabellini
2013-07-16 17:16 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-17 11:48 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2013-07-16 19:31 ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-07-17 9:17 ` Stefano Stabellini
2013-07-17 14:01 ` Felipe Contreras
2013-07-17 14:40 ` Sarah Sharp
2013-07-17 14:43 ` Willy Tarreau
2013-07-19 11:59 ` Ingo Molnar
2013-07-17 14:43 ` Kurt H Maier
2013-07-17 15:04 ` Anca Emanuel
2013-07-17 15:12 ` Felipe Contreras
2013-07-19 12:08 ` Ingo Molnar
2013-07-19 18:42 ` Felipe Contreras
2013-07-19 18:56 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-19 20:33 ` [Ksummit-2013-discuss] " James Bottomley
2013-07-19 20:43 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-19 23:46 ` NeilBrown
2013-07-19 20:03 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2013-07-20 12:35 ` Felipe Contreras
2013-07-21 1:02 ` [Ksummit-2013-discuss] " Daniel Phillips
2013-07-21 1:02 ` Daniel Phillips
2013-07-24 0:51 ` Felipe Contreras
2013-07-24 0:51 ` Felipe Contreras
2013-07-24 1:26 ` James Bottomley
2013-07-24 1:26 ` James Bottomley
2013-07-24 1:38 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-24 1:38 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-24 16:23 ` James Bottomley
2013-07-24 16:23 ` James Bottomley
2013-07-24 16:50 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-24 16:50 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-24 1:48 ` Paul Gortmaker
2013-07-24 1:48 ` Paul Gortmaker
2013-07-24 1:53 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-24 1:53 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-24 8:57 ` Daniel Phillips
2013-07-24 8:57 ` Daniel Phillips
2013-07-25 14:00 ` Felipe Contreras
2013-07-25 14:00 ` Felipe Contreras
2013-07-25 14:33 ` Willy Tarreau
2013-07-25 14:33 ` Willy Tarreau
2013-07-25 14:49 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-25 14:49 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-25 22:51 ` Daniel Phillips
2013-07-25 22:51 ` Daniel Phillips
2013-07-25 23:30 ` Willy Tarreau
2013-07-25 23:30 ` Willy Tarreau
2013-07-25 23:44 ` Daniel Phillips
2013-07-25 23:44 ` Daniel Phillips
2013-07-26 5:22 ` Willy Tarreau
2013-07-26 5:22 ` Willy Tarreau
2013-07-20 17:04 ` Ben Hutchings
2013-07-21 13:22 ` Ric Wheeler
2013-07-23 1:26 ` Li Zefan
2013-07-23 1:39 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-23 2:04 ` Li Zefan
2013-07-17 19:05 ` David Miller
2013-07-17 22:02 ` Guenter Roeck
2013-07-17 22:49 ` Randy Dunlap
2013-07-17 23:08 ` [Ksummit-2013-discuss] " Paul E. McKenney
2013-07-17 23:19 ` Guenter Roeck
2013-07-18 0:57 ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-07-16 22:54 ` Jiri Kosina
2013-07-16 23:03 ` Randy Dunlap
2013-07-16 23:11 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-16 23:14 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-17 9:38 ` Stefano Stabellini
2013-07-17 12:39 ` Al Viro
2013-07-17 8:04 ` [Ksummit-2013-discuss] " Dan Carpenter
2013-07-16 7:32 ` [ATTEND] How to act on LKML (was: [ 00/19] 3.10.1-stable review) David Lang
2013-07-16 9:14 ` Olivier Galibert
2013-07-16 21:12 ` Sarah Sharp
2013-07-16 21:27 ` [Ksummit-2013-discuss] " Theodore Ts'o
2013-07-16 22:43 ` Sarah Sharp
2013-07-16 22:54 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-16 23:12 ` Sarah Sharp
2013-07-16 23:20 ` Joe Perches
2013-07-16 23:31 ` [Ksummit-2013-discuss] [ATTEND] How to act on LKML Ric Wheeler
2013-07-16 23:53 ` Myklebust, Trond
2013-07-16 23:53 ` Myklebust, Trond
2013-07-17 1:21 ` Ric Wheeler
2013-07-17 1:21 ` Ric Wheeler
2013-07-17 7:36 ` CAI Qian
2013-07-17 14:48 ` Sarah Sharp
2013-07-17 15:09 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-17 17:00 ` Stefano Stabellini
2013-07-17 17:15 ` Felipe Contreras
2013-07-17 17:56 ` Stefano Stabellini
2013-07-17 18:05 ` Felipe Contreras
2013-07-17 18:42 ` Al Viro
2013-07-17 22:24 ` Sarah Sharp
2013-07-18 0:29 ` Felipe Contreras
2013-07-18 4:59 ` Al Viro
2013-07-17 17:28 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-17 19:02 ` Sarah Sharp
2013-07-17 17:57 ` Al Viro
2013-07-17 17:52 ` Willy Tarreau
2013-07-17 18:51 ` Sarah Sharp
2013-07-17 19:04 ` David Lang
2013-07-17 19:29 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-17 20:18 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2013-07-19 10:54 ` Ingo Molnar
2013-07-17 19:40 ` Willy Tarreau
2013-07-17 22:38 ` David Woodhouse
2013-07-17 23:05 ` Ramkumar Ramachandra
2013-07-18 2:40 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2013-07-18 3:00 ` CAI Qian
2013-07-16 23:38 ` [Ksummit-2013-discuss] [ATTEND] How to act on LKML (was: [ 00/19] 3.10.1-stable review) Steven Rostedt
2013-07-16 23:46 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-17 14:01 ` [Ksummit-2013-discuss] [ATTEND] How to act on LKML Paul Gortmaker
2013-07-17 0:32 ` Jeff Liu
2013-07-17 0:51 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-17 1:23 ` Sarah Sharp
2013-07-17 5:51 ` Willy Tarreau
2013-07-17 12:21 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-17 12:30 ` Ricardo Ferreira
2013-07-17 13:03 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-17 13:10 ` Willy Tarreau
2013-07-17 15:02 ` Sarah Sharp
2013-07-17 15:16 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-17 22:55 ` Guenter Roeck
2013-07-17 9:15 ` Jeff Liu
2013-07-17 10:58 ` James Bottomley
2013-07-17 11:13 ` Jeff Liu
2013-07-16 23:01 ` Randy Dunlap
2013-07-16 23:50 ` [Ksummit-2013-discuss] [ATTEND] How to act on LKML (was: [ 00/19] 3.10.1-stable review) Theodore Ts'o
2013-07-17 0:04 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-17 1:34 ` NeilBrown
2013-07-17 2:18 ` Ben Hutchings
2013-07-17 3:02 ` Linus Torvalds
2013-07-17 3:16 ` Ben Hutchings
2013-07-17 4:48 ` Linus Torvalds
2013-07-17 5:22 ` Darren Hart
2013-07-17 5:32 ` Sarah Sharp
2013-07-17 17:41 ` [Ksummit-2013-discuss] [ATTEND] How to act on LKML Randy Dunlap
2013-07-17 17:59 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-16 22:18 ` [ATTEND] How to act on LKML (was: [ 00/19] 3.10.1-stable review) Willy Tarreau
2013-07-16 22:39 ` Sarah Sharp
2013-07-16 23:46 ` [ATTEND] How to act on LKML Casey Schaufler
2013-07-17 1:02 ` Sarah Sharp
2013-07-17 10:10 ` Ramkumar Ramachandra
2013-07-17 14:27 ` Felipe Contreras
2013-07-17 18:24 ` [Ksummit-2013-discuss] " Luck, Tony
2013-07-17 18:24 ` Luck, Tony
2013-07-17 18:46 ` Felipe Contreras
2013-07-17 18:46 ` Felipe Contreras
2013-07-16 18:11 ` [ATTEND] How to act on LKML (was: [ 00/19] 3.10.1-stable review) Guenter Roeck
2013-07-15 22:38 ` Linus Torvalds
2013-07-15 22:50 ` Sarah Sharp
2013-07-16 4:03 ` [ATTEND] How to act on LKML David Ahern
2013-07-16 20:03 ` [ATTEND] How to act on LKML (was: [ 00/19] 3.10.1-stable review) Martin Steigerwald
2013-07-16 1:02 ` Raymond Jennings
2013-07-16 18:27 ` [Ksummit-2013-discuss] " James Bottomley
2013-07-16 21:18 ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-07-17 6:14 ` James Bottomley
2013-07-17 21:51 ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-07-18 2:01 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2013-07-19 6:03 ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-07-19 16:58 ` [Ksummit-2013-discuss] [ATTEND] How to act on LKML H. Peter Anvin
2013-07-16 22:13 ` [Ksummit-2013-discuss] [ATTEND] How to act on LKML (was: [ 00/19] 3.10.1-stable review) NeilBrown
2013-07-18 9:05 ` [Ksummit-2013-discuss] [ATTEND] How to act on LKML Paolo Bonzini
2013-07-19 8:21 ` Dave Chiluk
2013-07-16 3:27 ` Li Zefan
2013-07-16 3:46 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-16 16:51 ` [Ksummit-2013-discuss] [ATTEND] How to act on LKML (was: [ 00/19] 3.10.1-stable review) David Howells
2013-07-18 10:39 ` [ 00/19] 3.10.1-stable review Ingo Molnar
2013-07-18 14:32 ` J. Bruce Fields
2013-07-18 16:07 ` Sarah Sharp
2013-07-18 16:16 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-18 17:39 ` Felipe Contreras
2013-07-19 9:22 ` mistakes in code vs. maintainer flow mistakes (was: [ 00/19] 3.10.1-stable review) Ingo Molnar
2013-07-19 10:03 ` Ingo Molnar
2013-07-19 12:16 ` Kurt H Maier
2013-07-19 19:01 ` Sarah Sharp
2013-07-19 19:16 ` Martin Steigerwald
2013-07-19 19:17 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-19 20:03 ` Kurt H Maier
2013-07-22 10:55 ` Ingo Molnar
2013-07-23 1:07 ` mistakes in code vs. maintainer flow mistakes Li Zefan
2013-07-23 1:16 ` Joe Perches
2013-07-22 11:04 ` mistakes in code vs. maintainer flow mistakes (was: [ 00/19] 3.10.1-stable review) Ingo Molnar
2013-07-16 14:30 ` [ 00/19] 3.10.1-stable review Geert Uytterhoeven
2013-07-16 15:00 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-16 15:09 ` Kees Cook
2013-07-16 15:27 ` Darren Hart
2013-07-17 18:14 ` open conflicts vs. hidden conflicts (was: [ 00/19] 3.10.1-stable review) Ingo Molnar
2013-07-17 22:42 ` NeilBrown
2013-07-18 9:32 ` Ingo Molnar
2013-07-18 0:42 ` [ 00/19] 3.10.1-stable review Thomas Gleixner
2013-07-18 3:16 ` CAI Qian
2013-07-18 3:47 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-18 4:01 ` CAI Qian
2013-07-18 5:03 ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-07-18 6:06 ` CAI Qian
2013-07-18 10:21 ` Ingo Molnar
2013-07-18 11:35 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-18 13:23 ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-07-18 13:30 ` Maybe it's time to shut this thread down (Was: Re: [ 00/19] 3.10.1-stable review) Theodore Ts'o
2013-07-18 15:54 ` Sarah Sharp
2013-07-20 21:35 ` [Ksummit-2013-discuss] " Daniel Phillips
2013-07-20 21:35 ` Daniel Phillips
2013-07-22 21:02 ` Luck, Tony
2013-07-22 21:02 ` Luck, Tony
2013-07-22 21:29 ` Daniel Phillips
2013-07-22 21:29 ` Daniel Phillips
2013-07-19 21:44 ` Sarah Sharp
2013-07-22 16:45 ` Kurt H Maier
2013-07-18 4:15 ` [ 00/19] 3.10.1-stable review CAI Qian
2013-07-18 15:48 ` Sarah Sharp
2013-07-19 10:35 ` Ingo Molnar
2013-07-24 10:43 ` Florian Holz
2013-07-16 14:45 ` Alex Elder
2013-07-15 19:17 ` Willy Tarreau
2013-07-15 19:23 ` Linus Torvalds
2013-07-15 19:39 ` Willy Tarreau
2013-07-15 22:50 ` Raymond Jennings
2013-07-16 4:52 ` Rusty Russell
2013-07-16 21:08 ` Sarah Sharp
2013-07-16 21:23 ` Linus Torvalds
2013-07-16 21:58 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2013-07-16 22:12 ` Linus Torvalds
2013-07-17 5:22 ` Sarah Sharp
2013-07-19 11:10 ` Ingo Molnar
2013-07-16 21:27 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-16 22:11 ` Willy Tarreau
2013-07-17 1:02 ` Rusty Russell
2013-07-17 1:37 ` Linus Torvalds
2013-07-17 1:54 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-17 3:28 ` Darren Hart
2013-07-15 22:40 ` NeilBrown
2013-07-16 6:13 ` Willy Tarreau
2013-07-16 15:40 ` Darren Hart [this message]
2013-07-16 18:18 ` Willy Tarreau
2013-07-16 2:44 ` Li Zefan
2013-07-15 19:05 ` J. Bruce Fields
2013-07-15 19:19 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-15 23:42 ` NeilBrown
2013-07-15 23:50 ` Joe Perches
2013-07-16 1:54 ` NeilBrown
2013-07-16 2:01 ` Joe Perches
2013-07-21 4:15 ` Rob Landley
2013-07-17 7:01 ` CAI Qian
2013-07-17 8:39 ` Janne Karhunen
2013-07-15 18:22 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-15 17:33 ` Darren Hart
2013-07-15 19:04 ` Rob Landley
2013-07-19 11:25 ` Ingo Molnar
2013-07-23 8:26 ` Rogelio Serrano
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2013-07-23 1:42 Regina Obe
2013-07-23 3:43 ` Mike Galbraith
2013-07-23 4:16 ` Regina Obe
2013-07-23 4:49 ` Regina Obe
2013-07-18 3:50 George Spelvin
2013-07-11 22:01 Greg Kroah-Hartman
2013-07-11 22:14 ` Josh Boyer
2013-07-14 22:54 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2013-07-11 22:29 ` Dave Jones
2013-07-11 22:44 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2013-07-12 1:51 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-12 14:15 ` Guenter Roeck
2013-07-12 15:22 ` Linus Torvalds
2013-07-12 15:47 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-12 15:55 ` Linus Torvalds
2013-07-12 16:17 ` Ingo Molnar
2013-07-12 16:35 ` Josh Boyer
2013-07-12 16:36 ` Josh Boyer
2013-07-12 17:05 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2013-07-14 22:40 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2013-07-12 16:48 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-12 17:31 ` Guenter Roeck
2013-07-12 17:50 ` Linus Torvalds
2013-07-12 18:11 ` Guenter Roeck
2013-07-12 19:35 ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-07-12 19:49 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-12 19:55 ` Willy Tarreau
2013-07-12 20:19 ` Dave Jones
2013-07-12 20:28 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-12 20:31 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-12 21:19 ` Justin M. Forbes
2013-07-13 0:47 ` Jochen Striepe
2013-07-13 11:11 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-13 15:10 ` Dave Jones
2013-07-13 15:54 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-12 19:50 ` Willy Tarreau
2013-07-12 20:47 ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-07-12 21:02 ` Guenter Roeck
2013-07-13 6:22 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2013-07-13 6:36 ` Willy Tarreau
2013-07-13 6:48 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2013-07-13 7:12 ` Willy Tarreau
2013-07-15 4:12 ` Li Zefan
2013-07-15 4:43 ` Willy Tarreau
2013-07-13 11:42 ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-07-13 18:27 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2013-07-14 2:22 ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-07-14 3:51 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2013-07-14 5:24 ` Guenter Roeck
2013-07-14 20:31 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2013-07-13 6:43 ` Guenter Roeck
2013-07-13 6:58 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2013-07-14 23:52 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2013-07-15 1:40 ` Linus Torvalds
2013-07-15 2:08 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2013-07-14 22:58 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2013-07-12 17:20 ` Shuah Khan
2013-07-12 17:29 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2013-07-13 4:14 ` Satoru Takeuchi
2013-07-14 23:06 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
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