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From: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
To: Ben Hutchings <ben@decadent.org.uk>
Cc: "Theodore Ts'o" <tytso@mit.edu>,
	Sarah Sharp <sarah.a.sharp@linux.intel.com>,
	David Lang <david@lang.hm>,
	ksummit-2013-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	Darren Hart <dvhart@linux.intel.com>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>,
	Olivier Galibert <galibert@pobox.com>,
	stable <stable@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Willy Tarreau <w@1wt.eu>
Subject: Re: [Ksummit-2013-discuss] [ATTEND] How to act on LKML (was: [ 00/19] 3.10.1-stable review)
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 21:48:40 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CA+55aFyE0c6DQVn9Unbjriya27W-8nJQcZwUM7vc_1Hk0n38WQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1374031004.2537.84.camel@deadeye.wl.decadent.org.uk>

On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 8:16 PM, Ben Hutchings <ben@decadent.org.uk> wrote:
> On Tue, 2013-07-16 at 20:02 -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote:
>>
>> Umm. Notice how the "Joseph" I replied to had deleted all the comments he wrote?
>
> Sorry, that completely escaped me.
>
>> That should tell you something. I smacked down a troll.
>>
>> If I was polite to you all those years ago, and I was polite but firm
>> in the two first responses, please give me credit for when I smack
>> somebody down. There may be a reason for it. The fact that the person
>> deleted his messages (or github deleted them for him - I have no idea
>> what their comment policy is) and you cannot see that context any more
>> online should not make you think that I suddenly went crazy.
>
> Unfortunately, it seems I'm not the only one to be confused by this.

Heh.

I think this one is a pretty extreme example (because the context
simply is no longer *there*), but the fact is, it's not uncommon.

People think I get all the credit (and hey, I do), but here's a
somewhat darker side to the story too. I get a lot of grief too, and
usually from people who don't have the context. In the blog you
posted, it was because the context simply wasn't there any more, but
let's be honest: even when the context is there, how many people read
it? It's a cesspool out there (*cough*slashdot*cough*).

And hey, I think Sarah's outburst itself was due to a similar "I know
Linus curses at people, and who cares about context, it's never
acceptable". Because I guarantee that it was *not* because of the
actual email she replied to, or anything I've written her. Feel free
to go back and check.

I'm really not complaining. It's part of my job, and I'm quite used to
it. This is not new. Certain people and places love to hate on Linus,
the egotistical ass. And hey, on the whole I can honestly say that I'm
*way* ahead. They aren't exactly wrong - it's not like I have a weak
ego. I get most annoyed when people say it's "new" and due to the
success of Linux. Dammit, I had a strong ego when I started this whole
thing, so don't try to chalk it all up to success.

Guys, I love my job. The kernel developer community is great. But I
suspect that some of you don't necessarily think about the other side.
I had slashdot discussing my abusive relationship with my wife and
kids thanks to Sarah's comments. Talk about having a thick skin -
trust me when I tell you that I get as well as I give out.

                 Linus

  reply	other threads:[~2013-07-17  4:48 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 279+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-07-15 15:52 [ 00/19] 3.10.1-stable review Sarah Sharp
2013-07-15 17:08 ` Linus Torvalds
2013-07-15 17:46   ` Sarah Sharp
2013-07-15 17:50     ` Linus Torvalds
2013-07-15 18:04       ` Sarah Sharp
2013-07-15 18:17         ` Linus Torvalds
2013-07-15 18:46           ` Sarah Sharp
2013-07-15 19:07             ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-15 19:07             ` Linus Torvalds
2013-07-15 19:53               ` Sarah Sharp
2013-07-15 20:41                 ` Sarah Sharp
2013-07-15 21:01                   ` Kees Cook
2013-07-15 21:50                   ` Linus Torvalds
2013-07-15 22:08                     ` [ATTEND] How to act on LKML (was: [ 00/19] 3.10.1-stable review) Steven Rostedt
2013-07-15 22:27                       ` [ATTEND] How to act on LKML Randy Dunlap
2013-07-15 22:36                       ` [ATTEND] How to act on LKML (was: [ 00/19] 3.10.1-stable review) Sarah Sharp
2013-07-15 23:15                         ` Guenter Roeck
2013-07-16  0:17                           ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-16  3:14                             ` NeilBrown
2013-07-16  3:34                               ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-16  3:37                                 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-16  4:12                                   ` Darren Hart
2013-07-16  5:12                             ` Willy Tarreau
2013-07-17  7:46                           ` [Ksummit-2013-discuss] " Dan Carpenter
2013-07-15 23:49                         ` Darren Hart
2013-07-16  2:43                           ` [ATTEND] How to act on LKML Chris Ball
2013-07-16  3:06                             ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-16  3:36                               ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-07-16 15:49                                 ` Stefano Stabellini
2013-07-16 16:16                                   ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-16 16:58                                     ` Stefano Stabellini
2013-07-16 17:16                                       ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-17 11:48                                         ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2013-07-16 19:31                                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-07-17  9:17                                         ` Stefano Stabellini
2013-07-17 14:01                                           ` Felipe Contreras
2013-07-17 14:40                                             ` Sarah Sharp
2013-07-17 14:43                                               ` Willy Tarreau
2013-07-19 11:59                                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2013-07-17 14:43                                               ` Kurt H Maier
2013-07-17 15:04                                               ` Anca Emanuel
2013-07-17 15:12                                               ` Felipe Contreras
2013-07-19 12:08                                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2013-07-19 18:42                                                   ` Felipe Contreras
2013-07-19 18:56                                                     ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-19 20:33                                                       ` [Ksummit-2013-discuss] " James Bottomley
2013-07-19 20:43                                                         ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-19 23:46                                                           ` NeilBrown
2013-07-19 20:03                                                     ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2013-07-20 12:35                                                       ` Felipe Contreras
2013-07-21  1:02                                                         ` [Ksummit-2013-discuss] " Daniel Phillips
2013-07-21  1:02                                                           ` Daniel Phillips
2013-07-24  0:51                                                           ` Felipe Contreras
2013-07-24  0:51                                                             ` Felipe Contreras
2013-07-24  1:26                                                             ` James Bottomley
2013-07-24  1:26                                                               ` James Bottomley
2013-07-24  1:38                                                               ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-24  1:38                                                                 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-24 16:23                                                                 ` James Bottomley
2013-07-24 16:23                                                                   ` James Bottomley
2013-07-24 16:50                                                                   ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-24 16:50                                                                     ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-24  1:48                                                               ` Paul Gortmaker
2013-07-24  1:48                                                                 ` Paul Gortmaker
2013-07-24  1:53                                                                 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-24  1:53                                                                   ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-24  8:57                                                             ` Daniel Phillips
2013-07-24  8:57                                                               ` Daniel Phillips
2013-07-25 14:00                                                               ` Felipe Contreras
2013-07-25 14:00                                                                 ` Felipe Contreras
2013-07-25 14:33                                                                 ` Willy Tarreau
2013-07-25 14:33                                                                   ` Willy Tarreau
2013-07-25 14:49                                                                   ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-25 14:49                                                                     ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-25 22:51                                                                   ` Daniel Phillips
2013-07-25 22:51                                                                     ` Daniel Phillips
2013-07-25 23:30                                                                     ` Willy Tarreau
2013-07-25 23:30                                                                       ` Willy Tarreau
2013-07-25 23:44                                                                       ` Daniel Phillips
2013-07-25 23:44                                                                         ` Daniel Phillips
2013-07-26  5:22                                                                         ` Willy Tarreau
2013-07-26  5:22                                                                           ` Willy Tarreau
2013-07-20 17:04                                                     ` Ben Hutchings
2013-07-21 13:22                                                       ` Ric Wheeler
2013-07-23  1:26                                                         ` Li Zefan
2013-07-23  1:39                                                           ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-23  2:04                                                             ` Li Zefan
2013-07-17 19:05                                               ` David Miller
2013-07-17 22:02                                               ` Guenter Roeck
2013-07-17 22:49                                                 ` Randy Dunlap
2013-07-17 23:08                                                   ` [Ksummit-2013-discuss] " Paul E. McKenney
2013-07-17 23:19                                                     ` Guenter Roeck
2013-07-18  0:57                                                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-07-16 22:54                                       ` Jiri Kosina
2013-07-16 23:03                                         ` Randy Dunlap
2013-07-16 23:11                                         ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-16 23:14                                           ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-17  9:38                                         ` Stefano Stabellini
2013-07-17 12:39                                           ` Al Viro
2013-07-17  8:04                                   ` [Ksummit-2013-discuss] " Dan Carpenter
2013-07-16  7:32                         ` [ATTEND] How to act on LKML (was: [ 00/19] 3.10.1-stable review) David Lang
2013-07-16  9:14                           ` Olivier Galibert
2013-07-16 21:12                             ` Sarah Sharp
2013-07-16 21:27                               ` [Ksummit-2013-discuss] " Theodore Ts'o
2013-07-16 22:43                                 ` Sarah Sharp
2013-07-16 22:54                                   ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-16 23:12                                     ` Sarah Sharp
2013-07-16 23:20                                       ` Joe Perches
2013-07-16 23:31                                       ` [Ksummit-2013-discuss] [ATTEND] How to act on LKML Ric Wheeler
2013-07-16 23:53                                         ` Myklebust, Trond
2013-07-16 23:53                                           ` Myklebust, Trond
2013-07-17  1:21                                           ` Ric Wheeler
2013-07-17  1:21                                             ` Ric Wheeler
2013-07-17  7:36                                           ` CAI Qian
2013-07-17 14:48                                             ` Sarah Sharp
2013-07-17 15:09                                               ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-17 17:00                                                 ` Stefano Stabellini
2013-07-17 17:15                                                   ` Felipe Contreras
2013-07-17 17:56                                                     ` Stefano Stabellini
2013-07-17 18:05                                                       ` Felipe Contreras
2013-07-17 18:42                                                       ` Al Viro
2013-07-17 22:24                                                         ` Sarah Sharp
2013-07-18  0:29                                                           ` Felipe Contreras
2013-07-18  4:59                                                           ` Al Viro
2013-07-17 17:28                                                   ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-17 19:02                                                     ` Sarah Sharp
2013-07-17 17:57                                                   ` Al Viro
2013-07-17 17:52                                                 ` Willy Tarreau
2013-07-17 18:51                                                 ` Sarah Sharp
2013-07-17 19:04                                                   ` David Lang
2013-07-17 19:29                                                   ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-17 20:18                                                     ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2013-07-19 10:54                                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2013-07-17 19:40                                                   ` Willy Tarreau
2013-07-17 22:38                                                   ` David Woodhouse
2013-07-17 23:05                                                   ` Ramkumar Ramachandra
2013-07-18  2:40                                                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2013-07-18  3:00                                               ` CAI Qian
2013-07-16 23:38                                       ` [Ksummit-2013-discuss] [ATTEND] How to act on LKML (was: [ 00/19] 3.10.1-stable review) Steven Rostedt
2013-07-16 23:46                                         ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-17 14:01                                         ` [Ksummit-2013-discuss] [ATTEND] How to act on LKML Paul Gortmaker
2013-07-17  0:32                                       ` Jeff Liu
2013-07-17  0:51                                         ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-17  1:23                                           ` Sarah Sharp
2013-07-17  5:51                                           ` Willy Tarreau
2013-07-17 12:21                                             ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-17 12:30                                               ` Ricardo Ferreira
2013-07-17 13:03                                                 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-17 13:10                                                   ` Willy Tarreau
2013-07-17 15:02                                                   ` Sarah Sharp
2013-07-17 15:16                                                     ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-17 22:55                                                   ` Guenter Roeck
2013-07-17  9:15                                           ` Jeff Liu
2013-07-17 10:58                                             ` James Bottomley
2013-07-17 11:13                                               ` Jeff Liu
2013-07-16 23:01                                   ` Randy Dunlap
2013-07-16 23:50                                   ` [Ksummit-2013-discuss] [ATTEND] How to act on LKML (was: [ 00/19] 3.10.1-stable review) Theodore Ts'o
2013-07-17  0:04                                     ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-17  1:34                                     ` NeilBrown
2013-07-17  2:18                                     ` Ben Hutchings
2013-07-17  3:02                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2013-07-17  3:16                                         ` Ben Hutchings
2013-07-17  4:48                                           ` Linus Torvalds [this message]
2013-07-17  5:22                                             ` Darren Hart
2013-07-17  5:32                                               ` Sarah Sharp
2013-07-17 17:41                                                 ` [Ksummit-2013-discuss] [ATTEND] How to act on LKML Randy Dunlap
2013-07-17 17:59                                                   ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-16 22:18                               ` [ATTEND] How to act on LKML (was: [ 00/19] 3.10.1-stable review) Willy Tarreau
2013-07-16 22:39                                 ` Sarah Sharp
2013-07-16 23:46                                   ` [ATTEND] How to act on LKML Casey Schaufler
2013-07-17  1:02                                     ` Sarah Sharp
2013-07-17 10:10                                       ` Ramkumar Ramachandra
2013-07-17 14:27                                       ` Felipe Contreras
2013-07-17 18:24                                         ` [Ksummit-2013-discuss] " Luck, Tony
2013-07-17 18:24                                           ` Luck, Tony
2013-07-17 18:46                                           ` Felipe Contreras
2013-07-17 18:46                                             ` Felipe Contreras
2013-07-16 18:11                           ` [ATTEND] How to act on LKML (was: [ 00/19] 3.10.1-stable review) Guenter Roeck
2013-07-15 22:38                       ` Linus Torvalds
2013-07-15 22:50                         ` Sarah Sharp
2013-07-16  4:03                           ` [ATTEND] How to act on LKML David Ahern
2013-07-16 20:03                           ` [ATTEND] How to act on LKML (was: [ 00/19] 3.10.1-stable review) Martin Steigerwald
2013-07-16  1:02                         ` Raymond Jennings
2013-07-16 18:27                         ` [Ksummit-2013-discuss] " James Bottomley
2013-07-16 21:18                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-07-17  6:14                             ` James Bottomley
2013-07-17 21:51                               ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-07-18  2:01                               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2013-07-19  6:03                                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-07-19 16:58                                   ` [Ksummit-2013-discuss] [ATTEND] How to act on LKML H. Peter Anvin
2013-07-16 22:13                           ` [Ksummit-2013-discuss] [ATTEND] How to act on LKML (was: [ 00/19] 3.10.1-stable review) NeilBrown
2013-07-18  9:05                           ` [Ksummit-2013-discuss] [ATTEND] How to act on LKML Paolo Bonzini
2013-07-19  8:21                         ` Dave Chiluk
2013-07-16  3:27                       ` Li Zefan
2013-07-16  3:46                         ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-16 16:51                       ` [Ksummit-2013-discuss] [ATTEND] How to act on LKML (was: [ 00/19] 3.10.1-stable review) David Howells
2013-07-18 10:39                     ` [ 00/19] 3.10.1-stable review Ingo Molnar
2013-07-18 14:32                       ` J. Bruce Fields
2013-07-18 16:07                       ` Sarah Sharp
2013-07-18 16:16                         ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-18 17:39                         ` Felipe Contreras
2013-07-19  9:22                         ` mistakes in code vs. maintainer flow mistakes (was: [ 00/19] 3.10.1-stable review) Ingo Molnar
2013-07-19 10:03                           ` Ingo Molnar
2013-07-19 12:16                           ` Kurt H Maier
2013-07-19 19:01                           ` Sarah Sharp
2013-07-19 19:16                             ` Martin Steigerwald
2013-07-19 19:17                             ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-19 20:03                             ` Kurt H Maier
2013-07-22 10:55                             ` Ingo Molnar
2013-07-23  1:07                             ` mistakes in code vs. maintainer flow mistakes Li Zefan
2013-07-23  1:16                               ` Joe Perches
2013-07-22 11:04                           ` mistakes in code vs. maintainer flow mistakes (was: [ 00/19] 3.10.1-stable review) Ingo Molnar
2013-07-16 14:30                   ` [ 00/19] 3.10.1-stable review Geert Uytterhoeven
2013-07-16 15:00                     ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-16 15:09                     ` Kees Cook
2013-07-16 15:27                       ` Darren Hart
2013-07-17 18:14                 ` open conflicts vs. hidden conflicts (was: [ 00/19] 3.10.1-stable review) Ingo Molnar
2013-07-17 22:42                   ` NeilBrown
2013-07-18  9:32                     ` Ingo Molnar
2013-07-18  0:42                 ` [ 00/19] 3.10.1-stable review Thomas Gleixner
2013-07-18  3:16                   ` CAI Qian
2013-07-18  3:47                     ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-18  4:01                       ` CAI Qian
2013-07-18  5:03                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-07-18  6:06                           ` CAI Qian
2013-07-18 10:21                             ` Ingo Molnar
2013-07-18 11:35                         ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-18 13:23                         ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-07-18 13:30                           ` Maybe it's time to shut this thread down (Was: Re: [ 00/19] 3.10.1-stable review) Theodore Ts'o
2013-07-18 15:54                             ` Sarah Sharp
2013-07-20 21:35                               ` [Ksummit-2013-discuss] " Daniel Phillips
2013-07-20 21:35                                 ` Daniel Phillips
2013-07-22 21:02                                 ` Luck, Tony
2013-07-22 21:02                                   ` Luck, Tony
2013-07-22 21:29                                   ` Daniel Phillips
2013-07-22 21:29                                     ` Daniel Phillips
2013-07-19 21:44                             ` Sarah Sharp
2013-07-22 16:45                               ` Kurt H Maier
2013-07-18  4:15                       ` [ 00/19] 3.10.1-stable review CAI Qian
2013-07-18 15:48                   ` Sarah Sharp
2013-07-19 10:35                     ` Ingo Molnar
2013-07-24 10:43                 ` Florian Holz
2013-07-16 14:45               ` Alex Elder
2013-07-15 19:17             ` Willy Tarreau
2013-07-15 19:23               ` Linus Torvalds
2013-07-15 19:39                 ` Willy Tarreau
2013-07-15 22:50                 ` Raymond Jennings
2013-07-16  4:52                 ` Rusty Russell
2013-07-16 21:08                   ` Sarah Sharp
2013-07-16 21:23                     ` Linus Torvalds
2013-07-16 21:58                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2013-07-16 22:12                         ` Linus Torvalds
2013-07-17  5:22                           ` Sarah Sharp
2013-07-19 11:10                             ` Ingo Molnar
2013-07-16 21:27                     ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-16 22:11                     ` Willy Tarreau
2013-07-17  1:02                     ` Rusty Russell
2013-07-17  1:37                       ` Linus Torvalds
2013-07-17  1:54                         ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-17  3:28                         ` Darren Hart
2013-07-15 22:40               ` NeilBrown
2013-07-16  6:13                 ` Willy Tarreau
2013-07-16 15:40                   ` Darren Hart
2013-07-16 18:18                     ` Willy Tarreau
2013-07-16  2:44             ` Li Zefan
2013-07-15 19:05           ` J. Bruce Fields
2013-07-15 19:19             ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-15 23:42               ` NeilBrown
2013-07-15 23:50                 ` Joe Perches
2013-07-16  1:54                   ` NeilBrown
2013-07-16  2:01                     ` Joe Perches
2013-07-21  4:15                       ` Rob Landley
2013-07-17  7:01                   ` CAI Qian
2013-07-17  8:39           ` Janne Karhunen
2013-07-15 18:22   ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-15 17:33 ` Darren Hart
2013-07-15 19:04 ` Rob Landley
2013-07-19 11:25   ` Ingo Molnar
2013-07-23  8:26 ` Rogelio Serrano

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