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From: Olivier Galibert <galibert@pobox.com>
To: David Lang <david@lang.hm>
Cc: Sarah Sharp <sarah.a.sharp@linux.intel.com>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>,
	Guenter Roeck <linux@roeck-us.net>,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	Dave Jones <davej@redhat.com>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	stable <stable@vger.kernel.org>,
	Darren Hart <dvhart@linux.intel.com>,
	ksummit-2013-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org,
	Willy Tarreau <w@1wt.eu>
Subject: Re: [ATTEND] How to act on LKML (was: [ 00/19] 3.10.1-stable review)
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 11:14:51 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAMFK0gseVAyCNwM6+-5ChJP5ReodjBA-estzB0u_pEhk2bAQsw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.02.1307160025250.16723@nftneq.ynat.uz>

On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 9:32 AM, David Lang <david@lang.hm> wrote:
> On Mon, 15 Jul 2013, Sarah Sharp wrote:
>
>> The people who want to work together in a civil manner should get
>> together and create a "Kernel maintainer's code of conduct" that
>> outlines what they expect from fellow kernel developers.  The people who
>> want to continue acting "unprofessionally" should document what
>> behaviors set off their cursing streaks, so that others can avoid that
>> behavior.  Somewhere in the middle is the community behavior all
>> developers can thrive in.
>
>
> By defining your viewpoint as being "professional" and the other viewpoint
> as being "unprofessional" you have already started using very loaded terms
> and greatly reduces the probability of actually getting the other group to
> agree and participate.

Especially since you can very easily translate these terms into
"American" and "non-American".

The stereotypical american professionalism attitude is to be polite at
the word choice level the best to hide a profund disrespect under
them.  There's no meaning taken into account, it's just keyword
spotting.  "Your code is crap" is considered unprofessional, while
"Let's leverage my fifth grade nephew's capabilities to assist you in
fixing the code" is perfectly professional, somehow.  That's more
often than not an unacceptable attitude in europe.

  OG.

  reply	other threads:[~2013-07-16  9:28 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 279+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-07-15 15:52 [ 00/19] 3.10.1-stable review Sarah Sharp
2013-07-15 17:08 ` Linus Torvalds
2013-07-15 17:46   ` Sarah Sharp
2013-07-15 17:50     ` Linus Torvalds
2013-07-15 18:04       ` Sarah Sharp
2013-07-15 18:17         ` Linus Torvalds
2013-07-15 18:46           ` Sarah Sharp
2013-07-15 19:07             ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-15 19:07             ` Linus Torvalds
2013-07-15 19:53               ` Sarah Sharp
2013-07-15 20:41                 ` Sarah Sharp
2013-07-15 21:01                   ` Kees Cook
2013-07-15 21:50                   ` Linus Torvalds
2013-07-15 22:08                     ` [ATTEND] How to act on LKML (was: [ 00/19] 3.10.1-stable review) Steven Rostedt
2013-07-15 22:27                       ` [ATTEND] How to act on LKML Randy Dunlap
2013-07-15 22:36                       ` [ATTEND] How to act on LKML (was: [ 00/19] 3.10.1-stable review) Sarah Sharp
2013-07-15 23:15                         ` Guenter Roeck
2013-07-16  0:17                           ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-16  3:14                             ` NeilBrown
2013-07-16  3:34                               ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-16  3:37                                 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-16  4:12                                   ` Darren Hart
2013-07-16  5:12                             ` Willy Tarreau
2013-07-17  7:46                           ` [Ksummit-2013-discuss] " Dan Carpenter
2013-07-15 23:49                         ` Darren Hart
2013-07-16  2:43                           ` [ATTEND] How to act on LKML Chris Ball
2013-07-16  3:06                             ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-16  3:36                               ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-07-16 15:49                                 ` Stefano Stabellini
2013-07-16 16:16                                   ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-16 16:58                                     ` Stefano Stabellini
2013-07-16 17:16                                       ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-17 11:48                                         ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2013-07-16 19:31                                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-07-17  9:17                                         ` Stefano Stabellini
2013-07-17 14:01                                           ` Felipe Contreras
2013-07-17 14:40                                             ` Sarah Sharp
2013-07-17 14:43                                               ` Willy Tarreau
2013-07-19 11:59                                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2013-07-17 14:43                                               ` Kurt H Maier
2013-07-17 15:04                                               ` Anca Emanuel
2013-07-17 15:12                                               ` Felipe Contreras
2013-07-19 12:08                                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2013-07-19 18:42                                                   ` Felipe Contreras
2013-07-19 18:56                                                     ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-19 20:33                                                       ` [Ksummit-2013-discuss] " James Bottomley
2013-07-19 20:43                                                         ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-19 23:46                                                           ` NeilBrown
2013-07-19 20:03                                                     ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2013-07-20 12:35                                                       ` Felipe Contreras
2013-07-21  1:02                                                         ` [Ksummit-2013-discuss] " Daniel Phillips
2013-07-21  1:02                                                           ` Daniel Phillips
2013-07-24  0:51                                                           ` Felipe Contreras
2013-07-24  0:51                                                             ` Felipe Contreras
2013-07-24  1:26                                                             ` James Bottomley
2013-07-24  1:26                                                               ` James Bottomley
2013-07-24  1:38                                                               ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-24  1:38                                                                 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-24 16:23                                                                 ` James Bottomley
2013-07-24 16:23                                                                   ` James Bottomley
2013-07-24 16:50                                                                   ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-24 16:50                                                                     ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-24  1:48                                                               ` Paul Gortmaker
2013-07-24  1:48                                                                 ` Paul Gortmaker
2013-07-24  1:53                                                                 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-24  1:53                                                                   ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-24  8:57                                                             ` Daniel Phillips
2013-07-24  8:57                                                               ` Daniel Phillips
2013-07-25 14:00                                                               ` Felipe Contreras
2013-07-25 14:00                                                                 ` Felipe Contreras
2013-07-25 14:33                                                                 ` Willy Tarreau
2013-07-25 14:33                                                                   ` Willy Tarreau
2013-07-25 14:49                                                                   ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-25 14:49                                                                     ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-25 22:51                                                                   ` Daniel Phillips
2013-07-25 22:51                                                                     ` Daniel Phillips
2013-07-25 23:30                                                                     ` Willy Tarreau
2013-07-25 23:30                                                                       ` Willy Tarreau
2013-07-25 23:44                                                                       ` Daniel Phillips
2013-07-25 23:44                                                                         ` Daniel Phillips
2013-07-26  5:22                                                                         ` Willy Tarreau
2013-07-26  5:22                                                                           ` Willy Tarreau
2013-07-20 17:04                                                     ` Ben Hutchings
2013-07-21 13:22                                                       ` Ric Wheeler
2013-07-23  1:26                                                         ` Li Zefan
2013-07-23  1:39                                                           ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-23  2:04                                                             ` Li Zefan
2013-07-17 19:05                                               ` David Miller
2013-07-17 22:02                                               ` Guenter Roeck
2013-07-17 22:49                                                 ` Randy Dunlap
2013-07-17 23:08                                                   ` [Ksummit-2013-discuss] " Paul E. McKenney
2013-07-17 23:19                                                     ` Guenter Roeck
2013-07-18  0:57                                                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-07-16 22:54                                       ` Jiri Kosina
2013-07-16 23:03                                         ` Randy Dunlap
2013-07-16 23:11                                         ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-16 23:14                                           ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-17  9:38                                         ` Stefano Stabellini
2013-07-17 12:39                                           ` Al Viro
2013-07-17  8:04                                   ` [Ksummit-2013-discuss] " Dan Carpenter
2013-07-16  7:32                         ` [ATTEND] How to act on LKML (was: [ 00/19] 3.10.1-stable review) David Lang
2013-07-16  9:14                           ` Olivier Galibert [this message]
2013-07-16 21:12                             ` Sarah Sharp
2013-07-16 21:27                               ` [Ksummit-2013-discuss] " Theodore Ts'o
2013-07-16 22:43                                 ` Sarah Sharp
2013-07-16 22:54                                   ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-16 23:12                                     ` Sarah Sharp
2013-07-16 23:20                                       ` Joe Perches
2013-07-16 23:31                                       ` [Ksummit-2013-discuss] [ATTEND] How to act on LKML Ric Wheeler
2013-07-16 23:53                                         ` Myklebust, Trond
2013-07-16 23:53                                           ` Myklebust, Trond
2013-07-17  1:21                                           ` Ric Wheeler
2013-07-17  1:21                                             ` Ric Wheeler
2013-07-17  7:36                                           ` CAI Qian
2013-07-17 14:48                                             ` Sarah Sharp
2013-07-17 15:09                                               ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-17 17:00                                                 ` Stefano Stabellini
2013-07-17 17:15                                                   ` Felipe Contreras
2013-07-17 17:56                                                     ` Stefano Stabellini
2013-07-17 18:05                                                       ` Felipe Contreras
2013-07-17 18:42                                                       ` Al Viro
2013-07-17 22:24                                                         ` Sarah Sharp
2013-07-18  0:29                                                           ` Felipe Contreras
2013-07-18  4:59                                                           ` Al Viro
2013-07-17 17:28                                                   ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-17 19:02                                                     ` Sarah Sharp
2013-07-17 17:57                                                   ` Al Viro
2013-07-17 17:52                                                 ` Willy Tarreau
2013-07-17 18:51                                                 ` Sarah Sharp
2013-07-17 19:04                                                   ` David Lang
2013-07-17 19:29                                                   ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-17 20:18                                                     ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2013-07-19 10:54                                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2013-07-17 19:40                                                   ` Willy Tarreau
2013-07-17 22:38                                                   ` David Woodhouse
2013-07-17 23:05                                                   ` Ramkumar Ramachandra
2013-07-18  2:40                                                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2013-07-18  3:00                                               ` CAI Qian
2013-07-16 23:38                                       ` [Ksummit-2013-discuss] [ATTEND] How to act on LKML (was: [ 00/19] 3.10.1-stable review) Steven Rostedt
2013-07-16 23:46                                         ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-17 14:01                                         ` [Ksummit-2013-discuss] [ATTEND] How to act on LKML Paul Gortmaker
2013-07-17  0:32                                       ` Jeff Liu
2013-07-17  0:51                                         ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-17  1:23                                           ` Sarah Sharp
2013-07-17  5:51                                           ` Willy Tarreau
2013-07-17 12:21                                             ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-17 12:30                                               ` Ricardo Ferreira
2013-07-17 13:03                                                 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-17 13:10                                                   ` Willy Tarreau
2013-07-17 15:02                                                   ` Sarah Sharp
2013-07-17 15:16                                                     ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-17 22:55                                                   ` Guenter Roeck
2013-07-17  9:15                                           ` Jeff Liu
2013-07-17 10:58                                             ` James Bottomley
2013-07-17 11:13                                               ` Jeff Liu
2013-07-16 23:01                                   ` Randy Dunlap
2013-07-16 23:50                                   ` [Ksummit-2013-discuss] [ATTEND] How to act on LKML (was: [ 00/19] 3.10.1-stable review) Theodore Ts'o
2013-07-17  0:04                                     ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-17  1:34                                     ` NeilBrown
2013-07-17  2:18                                     ` Ben Hutchings
2013-07-17  3:02                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2013-07-17  3:16                                         ` Ben Hutchings
2013-07-17  4:48                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2013-07-17  5:22                                             ` Darren Hart
2013-07-17  5:32                                               ` Sarah Sharp
2013-07-17 17:41                                                 ` [Ksummit-2013-discuss] [ATTEND] How to act on LKML Randy Dunlap
2013-07-17 17:59                                                   ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-16 22:18                               ` [ATTEND] How to act on LKML (was: [ 00/19] 3.10.1-stable review) Willy Tarreau
2013-07-16 22:39                                 ` Sarah Sharp
2013-07-16 23:46                                   ` [ATTEND] How to act on LKML Casey Schaufler
2013-07-17  1:02                                     ` Sarah Sharp
2013-07-17 10:10                                       ` Ramkumar Ramachandra
2013-07-17 14:27                                       ` Felipe Contreras
2013-07-17 18:24                                         ` [Ksummit-2013-discuss] " Luck, Tony
2013-07-17 18:24                                           ` Luck, Tony
2013-07-17 18:46                                           ` Felipe Contreras
2013-07-17 18:46                                             ` Felipe Contreras
2013-07-16 18:11                           ` [ATTEND] How to act on LKML (was: [ 00/19] 3.10.1-stable review) Guenter Roeck
2013-07-15 22:38                       ` Linus Torvalds
2013-07-15 22:50                         ` Sarah Sharp
2013-07-16  4:03                           ` [ATTEND] How to act on LKML David Ahern
2013-07-16 20:03                           ` [ATTEND] How to act on LKML (was: [ 00/19] 3.10.1-stable review) Martin Steigerwald
2013-07-16  1:02                         ` Raymond Jennings
2013-07-16 18:27                         ` [Ksummit-2013-discuss] " James Bottomley
2013-07-16 21:18                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-07-17  6:14                             ` James Bottomley
2013-07-17 21:51                               ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-07-18  2:01                               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2013-07-19  6:03                                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-07-19 16:58                                   ` [Ksummit-2013-discuss] [ATTEND] How to act on LKML H. Peter Anvin
2013-07-16 22:13                           ` [Ksummit-2013-discuss] [ATTEND] How to act on LKML (was: [ 00/19] 3.10.1-stable review) NeilBrown
2013-07-18  9:05                           ` [Ksummit-2013-discuss] [ATTEND] How to act on LKML Paolo Bonzini
2013-07-19  8:21                         ` Dave Chiluk
2013-07-16  3:27                       ` Li Zefan
2013-07-16  3:46                         ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-16 16:51                       ` [Ksummit-2013-discuss] [ATTEND] How to act on LKML (was: [ 00/19] 3.10.1-stable review) David Howells
2013-07-18 10:39                     ` [ 00/19] 3.10.1-stable review Ingo Molnar
2013-07-18 14:32                       ` J. Bruce Fields
2013-07-18 16:07                       ` Sarah Sharp
2013-07-18 16:16                         ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-18 17:39                         ` Felipe Contreras
2013-07-19  9:22                         ` mistakes in code vs. maintainer flow mistakes (was: [ 00/19] 3.10.1-stable review) Ingo Molnar
2013-07-19 10:03                           ` Ingo Molnar
2013-07-19 12:16                           ` Kurt H Maier
2013-07-19 19:01                           ` Sarah Sharp
2013-07-19 19:16                             ` Martin Steigerwald
2013-07-19 19:17                             ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-19 20:03                             ` Kurt H Maier
2013-07-22 10:55                             ` Ingo Molnar
2013-07-23  1:07                             ` mistakes in code vs. maintainer flow mistakes Li Zefan
2013-07-23  1:16                               ` Joe Perches
2013-07-22 11:04                           ` mistakes in code vs. maintainer flow mistakes (was: [ 00/19] 3.10.1-stable review) Ingo Molnar
2013-07-16 14:30                   ` [ 00/19] 3.10.1-stable review Geert Uytterhoeven
2013-07-16 15:00                     ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-16 15:09                     ` Kees Cook
2013-07-16 15:27                       ` Darren Hart
2013-07-17 18:14                 ` open conflicts vs. hidden conflicts (was: [ 00/19] 3.10.1-stable review) Ingo Molnar
2013-07-17 22:42                   ` NeilBrown
2013-07-18  9:32                     ` Ingo Molnar
2013-07-18  0:42                 ` [ 00/19] 3.10.1-stable review Thomas Gleixner
2013-07-18  3:16                   ` CAI Qian
2013-07-18  3:47                     ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-18  4:01                       ` CAI Qian
2013-07-18  5:03                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-07-18  6:06                           ` CAI Qian
2013-07-18 10:21                             ` Ingo Molnar
2013-07-18 11:35                         ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-18 13:23                         ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-07-18 13:30                           ` Maybe it's time to shut this thread down (Was: Re: [ 00/19] 3.10.1-stable review) Theodore Ts'o
2013-07-18 15:54                             ` Sarah Sharp
2013-07-20 21:35                               ` [Ksummit-2013-discuss] " Daniel Phillips
2013-07-20 21:35                                 ` Daniel Phillips
2013-07-22 21:02                                 ` Luck, Tony
2013-07-22 21:02                                   ` Luck, Tony
2013-07-22 21:29                                   ` Daniel Phillips
2013-07-22 21:29                                     ` Daniel Phillips
2013-07-19 21:44                             ` Sarah Sharp
2013-07-22 16:45                               ` Kurt H Maier
2013-07-18  4:15                       ` [ 00/19] 3.10.1-stable review CAI Qian
2013-07-18 15:48                   ` Sarah Sharp
2013-07-19 10:35                     ` Ingo Molnar
2013-07-24 10:43                 ` Florian Holz
2013-07-16 14:45               ` Alex Elder
2013-07-15 19:17             ` Willy Tarreau
2013-07-15 19:23               ` Linus Torvalds
2013-07-15 19:39                 ` Willy Tarreau
2013-07-15 22:50                 ` Raymond Jennings
2013-07-16  4:52                 ` Rusty Russell
2013-07-16 21:08                   ` Sarah Sharp
2013-07-16 21:23                     ` Linus Torvalds
2013-07-16 21:58                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2013-07-16 22:12                         ` Linus Torvalds
2013-07-17  5:22                           ` Sarah Sharp
2013-07-19 11:10                             ` Ingo Molnar
2013-07-16 21:27                     ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-16 22:11                     ` Willy Tarreau
2013-07-17  1:02                     ` Rusty Russell
2013-07-17  1:37                       ` Linus Torvalds
2013-07-17  1:54                         ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-17  3:28                         ` Darren Hart
2013-07-15 22:40               ` NeilBrown
2013-07-16  6:13                 ` Willy Tarreau
2013-07-16 15:40                   ` Darren Hart
2013-07-16 18:18                     ` Willy Tarreau
2013-07-16  2:44             ` Li Zefan
2013-07-15 19:05           ` J. Bruce Fields
2013-07-15 19:19             ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-15 23:42               ` NeilBrown
2013-07-15 23:50                 ` Joe Perches
2013-07-16  1:54                   ` NeilBrown
2013-07-16  2:01                     ` Joe Perches
2013-07-21  4:15                       ` Rob Landley
2013-07-17  7:01                   ` CAI Qian
2013-07-17  8:39           ` Janne Karhunen
2013-07-15 18:22   ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-15 17:33 ` Darren Hart
2013-07-15 19:04 ` Rob Landley
2013-07-19 11:25   ` Ingo Molnar
2013-07-23  8:26 ` Rogelio Serrano

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