From: "Luck, Tony" <tony.luck@intel.com>
To: Felipe Contreras <felipe.contreras@gmail.com>,
Sarah Sharp <sarah.a.sharp@linux.intel.com>
Cc: David Lang <david@lang.hm>,
"ksummit-2013-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org"
<ksummit-2013-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org>,
Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
Darren Hart <dvhart@linux.intel.com>,
"Olivier Galibert" <galibert@pobox.com>,
Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>, stable <stable@vger.kernel.org>,
Casey Schaufler <casey@schaufler-ca.com>,
"Linus Torvalds" <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
Willy Tarreau <w@1wt.eu>
Subject: RE: [Ksummit-2013-discuss] [ATTEND] How to act on LKML
Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2013 18:24:07 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <3908561D78D1C84285E8C5FCA982C28F31C8FE9D@ORSMSX106.amr.corp.intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAMP44s0rPF-ERDiGWkB4Ph9t=7ws7Q63g6Oe5h4WTdkNrnQsKw@mail.gmail.com>
> Those are just stories; things that happened. What you need to provide
> is *evidence* that if the community changes, things will be better,
> and unless you have a study of series of collaborative groups like the
> Linux kernel, that demonstrates that suppressing swearing has a
> positive effect in the community, I'd say all you have is an
> *opinion*.
1) There isn't going to be any hard evidence - this isn't a physics problem,
or even an engineering problem. It's a social problem. There are no other
collaborative groups sufficiently similar to the Linux kernel community, so there
are no studies that would be relevant. Asking for the impossible is just a
lame delaying tactic.
2) Sarah hasn't even asked to cut down on the swearing - so why mention
it at all? Did you even read the thread?
So I shall (for comedic effect) indulge in my own (uncharacteristic) bit
of name calling and dub thee a troll (and every other bad thing that anyone
is ever alleged of calling another on LKML, just to be sure).
-Tony
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2013-07-17 18:24 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 280+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2013-07-15 15:52 [ 00/19] 3.10.1-stable review Sarah Sharp
2013-07-15 17:08 ` Linus Torvalds
2013-07-15 17:46 ` Sarah Sharp
2013-07-15 17:50 ` Linus Torvalds
2013-07-15 18:04 ` Sarah Sharp
2013-07-15 18:17 ` Linus Torvalds
2013-07-15 18:46 ` Sarah Sharp
2013-07-15 19:07 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-15 19:07 ` Linus Torvalds
2013-07-15 19:53 ` Sarah Sharp
2013-07-15 20:41 ` Sarah Sharp
2013-07-15 21:01 ` Kees Cook
2013-07-15 21:50 ` Linus Torvalds
2013-07-15 22:08 ` [ATTEND] How to act on LKML (was: [ 00/19] 3.10.1-stable review) Steven Rostedt
2013-07-15 22:27 ` [ATTEND] How to act on LKML Randy Dunlap
2013-07-15 22:36 ` [ATTEND] How to act on LKML (was: [ 00/19] 3.10.1-stable review) Sarah Sharp
2013-07-15 23:15 ` Guenter Roeck
2013-07-16 0:17 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-16 3:14 ` NeilBrown
2013-07-16 3:34 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-16 3:37 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-16 4:12 ` Darren Hart
2013-07-16 5:12 ` Willy Tarreau
2013-07-17 7:46 ` [Ksummit-2013-discuss] " Dan Carpenter
2013-07-15 23:49 ` Darren Hart
2013-07-16 2:43 ` [ATTEND] How to act on LKML Chris Ball
2013-07-16 3:06 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-16 3:36 ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-07-16 15:49 ` Stefano Stabellini
2013-07-16 16:16 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-16 16:58 ` Stefano Stabellini
2013-07-16 17:16 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-17 11:48 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2013-07-16 19:31 ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-07-17 9:17 ` Stefano Stabellini
2013-07-17 14:01 ` Felipe Contreras
2013-07-17 14:40 ` Sarah Sharp
2013-07-17 14:43 ` Willy Tarreau
2013-07-19 11:59 ` Ingo Molnar
2013-07-17 14:43 ` Kurt H Maier
2013-07-17 15:04 ` Anca Emanuel
2013-07-17 15:12 ` Felipe Contreras
2013-07-19 12:08 ` Ingo Molnar
2013-07-19 18:42 ` Felipe Contreras
2013-07-19 18:56 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-19 20:33 ` [Ksummit-2013-discuss] " James Bottomley
2013-07-19 20:43 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-19 23:46 ` NeilBrown
2013-07-19 20:03 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2013-07-20 12:35 ` Felipe Contreras
2013-07-21 1:02 ` [Ksummit-2013-discuss] " Daniel Phillips
2013-07-21 1:02 ` Daniel Phillips
2013-07-24 0:51 ` Felipe Contreras
2013-07-24 0:51 ` Felipe Contreras
2013-07-24 1:26 ` James Bottomley
2013-07-24 1:26 ` James Bottomley
2013-07-24 1:38 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-24 1:38 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-24 16:23 ` James Bottomley
2013-07-24 16:23 ` James Bottomley
2013-07-24 16:50 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-24 16:50 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-24 1:48 ` Paul Gortmaker
2013-07-24 1:48 ` Paul Gortmaker
2013-07-24 1:53 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-24 1:53 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-24 8:57 ` Daniel Phillips
2013-07-24 8:57 ` Daniel Phillips
2013-07-25 14:00 ` Felipe Contreras
2013-07-25 14:00 ` Felipe Contreras
2013-07-25 14:33 ` Willy Tarreau
2013-07-25 14:33 ` Willy Tarreau
2013-07-25 14:49 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-25 14:49 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-25 22:51 ` Daniel Phillips
2013-07-25 22:51 ` Daniel Phillips
2013-07-25 23:30 ` Willy Tarreau
2013-07-25 23:30 ` Willy Tarreau
2013-07-25 23:44 ` Daniel Phillips
2013-07-25 23:44 ` Daniel Phillips
2013-07-26 5:22 ` Willy Tarreau
2013-07-26 5:22 ` Willy Tarreau
2013-07-20 17:04 ` Ben Hutchings
2013-07-21 13:22 ` Ric Wheeler
2013-07-23 1:26 ` Li Zefan
2013-07-23 1:39 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-23 2:04 ` Li Zefan
2013-07-17 19:05 ` David Miller
2013-07-17 22:02 ` Guenter Roeck
2013-07-17 22:49 ` Randy Dunlap
2013-07-17 23:08 ` [Ksummit-2013-discuss] " Paul E. McKenney
2013-07-17 23:19 ` Guenter Roeck
2013-07-18 0:57 ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-07-16 22:54 ` Jiri Kosina
2013-07-16 23:03 ` Randy Dunlap
2013-07-16 23:11 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-16 23:14 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-17 9:38 ` Stefano Stabellini
2013-07-17 12:39 ` Al Viro
2013-07-17 8:04 ` [Ksummit-2013-discuss] " Dan Carpenter
2013-07-16 7:32 ` [ATTEND] How to act on LKML (was: [ 00/19] 3.10.1-stable review) David Lang
2013-07-16 9:14 ` Olivier Galibert
2013-07-16 21:12 ` Sarah Sharp
2013-07-16 21:27 ` [Ksummit-2013-discuss] " Theodore Ts'o
2013-07-16 22:43 ` Sarah Sharp
2013-07-16 22:54 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-16 23:12 ` Sarah Sharp
2013-07-16 23:20 ` Joe Perches
2013-07-16 23:31 ` [Ksummit-2013-discuss] [ATTEND] How to act on LKML Ric Wheeler
2013-07-16 23:53 ` Myklebust, Trond
2013-07-16 23:53 ` Myklebust, Trond
2013-07-17 1:21 ` Ric Wheeler
2013-07-17 1:21 ` Ric Wheeler
2013-07-17 7:36 ` CAI Qian
2013-07-17 14:48 ` Sarah Sharp
2013-07-17 15:09 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-17 17:00 ` Stefano Stabellini
2013-07-17 17:15 ` Felipe Contreras
2013-07-17 17:56 ` Stefano Stabellini
2013-07-17 18:05 ` Felipe Contreras
2013-07-17 18:42 ` Al Viro
2013-07-17 22:24 ` Sarah Sharp
2013-07-18 0:29 ` Felipe Contreras
2013-07-18 4:59 ` Al Viro
2013-07-17 17:28 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-17 19:02 ` Sarah Sharp
2013-07-17 17:57 ` Al Viro
2013-07-17 17:52 ` Willy Tarreau
2013-07-17 18:51 ` Sarah Sharp
2013-07-17 19:04 ` David Lang
2013-07-17 19:29 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-17 20:18 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2013-07-19 10:54 ` Ingo Molnar
2013-07-17 19:40 ` Willy Tarreau
2013-07-17 22:38 ` David Woodhouse
2013-07-17 23:05 ` Ramkumar Ramachandra
2013-07-18 2:40 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2013-07-18 3:00 ` CAI Qian
2013-07-16 23:38 ` [Ksummit-2013-discuss] [ATTEND] How to act on LKML (was: [ 00/19] 3.10.1-stable review) Steven Rostedt
2013-07-16 23:46 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-17 14:01 ` [Ksummit-2013-discuss] [ATTEND] How to act on LKML Paul Gortmaker
2013-07-17 0:32 ` Jeff Liu
2013-07-17 0:51 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-17 1:23 ` Sarah Sharp
2013-07-17 5:51 ` Willy Tarreau
2013-07-17 12:21 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-17 12:30 ` Ricardo Ferreira
2013-07-17 13:03 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-17 13:10 ` Willy Tarreau
2013-07-17 15:02 ` Sarah Sharp
2013-07-17 15:16 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-17 22:55 ` Guenter Roeck
2013-07-17 9:15 ` Jeff Liu
2013-07-17 10:58 ` James Bottomley
2013-07-17 11:13 ` Jeff Liu
2013-07-16 23:01 ` Randy Dunlap
2013-07-16 23:50 ` [Ksummit-2013-discuss] [ATTEND] How to act on LKML (was: [ 00/19] 3.10.1-stable review) Theodore Ts'o
2013-07-17 0:04 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-17 1:34 ` NeilBrown
2013-07-17 2:18 ` Ben Hutchings
2013-07-17 3:02 ` Linus Torvalds
2013-07-17 3:16 ` Ben Hutchings
2013-07-17 4:48 ` Linus Torvalds
2013-07-17 5:22 ` Darren Hart
2013-07-17 5:32 ` Sarah Sharp
2013-07-17 17:41 ` [Ksummit-2013-discuss] [ATTEND] How to act on LKML Randy Dunlap
2013-07-17 17:59 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-16 22:18 ` [ATTEND] How to act on LKML (was: [ 00/19] 3.10.1-stable review) Willy Tarreau
2013-07-16 22:39 ` Sarah Sharp
2013-07-16 23:46 ` [ATTEND] How to act on LKML Casey Schaufler
2013-07-17 1:02 ` Sarah Sharp
2013-07-17 10:10 ` Ramkumar Ramachandra
2013-07-17 14:27 ` Felipe Contreras
2013-07-17 18:24 ` Luck, Tony [this message]
2013-07-17 18:24 ` [Ksummit-2013-discuss] " Luck, Tony
2013-07-17 18:46 ` Felipe Contreras
2013-07-17 18:46 ` Felipe Contreras
2013-07-16 18:11 ` [ATTEND] How to act on LKML (was: [ 00/19] 3.10.1-stable review) Guenter Roeck
2013-07-15 22:38 ` Linus Torvalds
2013-07-15 22:50 ` Sarah Sharp
2013-07-16 4:03 ` [ATTEND] How to act on LKML David Ahern
2013-07-16 20:03 ` [ATTEND] How to act on LKML (was: [ 00/19] 3.10.1-stable review) Martin Steigerwald
2013-07-16 1:02 ` Raymond Jennings
2013-07-16 18:27 ` [Ksummit-2013-discuss] " James Bottomley
2013-07-16 21:18 ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-07-17 6:14 ` James Bottomley
2013-07-17 21:51 ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-07-18 2:01 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2013-07-19 6:03 ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-07-19 16:58 ` [Ksummit-2013-discuss] [ATTEND] How to act on LKML H. Peter Anvin
2013-07-16 22:13 ` [Ksummit-2013-discuss] [ATTEND] How to act on LKML (was: [ 00/19] 3.10.1-stable review) NeilBrown
2013-07-18 9:05 ` [Ksummit-2013-discuss] [ATTEND] How to act on LKML Paolo Bonzini
2013-07-19 8:21 ` Dave Chiluk
2013-07-16 3:27 ` Li Zefan
2013-07-16 3:46 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-16 16:51 ` [Ksummit-2013-discuss] [ATTEND] How to act on LKML (was: [ 00/19] 3.10.1-stable review) David Howells
2013-07-18 10:39 ` [ 00/19] 3.10.1-stable review Ingo Molnar
2013-07-18 14:32 ` J. Bruce Fields
2013-07-18 16:07 ` Sarah Sharp
2013-07-18 16:16 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-18 17:39 ` Felipe Contreras
2013-07-19 9:22 ` mistakes in code vs. maintainer flow mistakes (was: [ 00/19] 3.10.1-stable review) Ingo Molnar
2013-07-19 10:03 ` Ingo Molnar
2013-07-19 12:16 ` Kurt H Maier
2013-07-19 19:01 ` Sarah Sharp
2013-07-19 19:16 ` Martin Steigerwald
2013-07-19 19:17 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-19 20:03 ` Kurt H Maier
2013-07-22 10:55 ` Ingo Molnar
2013-07-23 1:07 ` mistakes in code vs. maintainer flow mistakes Li Zefan
2013-07-23 1:16 ` Joe Perches
2013-07-22 11:04 ` mistakes in code vs. maintainer flow mistakes (was: [ 00/19] 3.10.1-stable review) Ingo Molnar
2013-07-16 14:30 ` [ 00/19] 3.10.1-stable review Geert Uytterhoeven
2013-07-16 15:00 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-16 15:09 ` Kees Cook
2013-07-16 15:27 ` Darren Hart
2013-07-17 18:14 ` open conflicts vs. hidden conflicts (was: [ 00/19] 3.10.1-stable review) Ingo Molnar
2013-07-17 22:42 ` NeilBrown
2013-07-18 9:32 ` Ingo Molnar
2013-07-18 0:42 ` [ 00/19] 3.10.1-stable review Thomas Gleixner
2013-07-18 3:16 ` CAI Qian
2013-07-18 3:47 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-18 4:01 ` CAI Qian
2013-07-18 5:03 ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-07-18 6:06 ` CAI Qian
2013-07-18 10:21 ` Ingo Molnar
2013-07-18 11:35 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-18 13:23 ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-07-18 13:30 ` Maybe it's time to shut this thread down (Was: Re: [ 00/19] 3.10.1-stable review) Theodore Ts'o
2013-07-18 15:54 ` Sarah Sharp
2013-07-20 21:35 ` [Ksummit-2013-discuss] " Daniel Phillips
2013-07-20 21:35 ` Daniel Phillips
2013-07-22 21:02 ` Luck, Tony
2013-07-22 21:02 ` Luck, Tony
2013-07-22 21:29 ` Daniel Phillips
2013-07-22 21:29 ` Daniel Phillips
2013-07-19 21:44 ` Sarah Sharp
2013-07-22 16:45 ` Kurt H Maier
2013-07-18 4:15 ` [ 00/19] 3.10.1-stable review CAI Qian
2013-07-18 15:48 ` Sarah Sharp
2013-07-19 10:35 ` Ingo Molnar
2013-07-24 10:43 ` Florian Holz
2013-07-16 14:45 ` Alex Elder
2013-07-15 19:17 ` Willy Tarreau
2013-07-15 19:23 ` Linus Torvalds
2013-07-15 19:39 ` Willy Tarreau
2013-07-15 22:50 ` Raymond Jennings
2013-07-16 4:52 ` Rusty Russell
2013-07-16 21:08 ` Sarah Sharp
2013-07-16 21:23 ` Linus Torvalds
2013-07-16 21:58 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2013-07-16 22:12 ` Linus Torvalds
2013-07-17 5:22 ` Sarah Sharp
2013-07-19 11:10 ` Ingo Molnar
2013-07-16 21:27 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-16 22:11 ` Willy Tarreau
2013-07-17 1:02 ` Rusty Russell
2013-07-17 1:37 ` Linus Torvalds
2013-07-17 1:54 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-17 3:28 ` Darren Hart
2013-07-15 22:40 ` NeilBrown
2013-07-16 6:13 ` Willy Tarreau
2013-07-16 15:40 ` Darren Hart
2013-07-16 18:18 ` Willy Tarreau
2013-07-16 2:44 ` Li Zefan
2013-07-15 19:05 ` J. Bruce Fields
2013-07-15 19:19 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-15 23:42 ` NeilBrown
2013-07-15 23:50 ` Joe Perches
2013-07-16 1:54 ` NeilBrown
2013-07-16 2:01 ` Joe Perches
2013-07-21 4:15 ` Rob Landley
2013-07-17 7:01 ` CAI Qian
2013-07-17 8:39 ` Janne Karhunen
2013-07-15 18:22 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-15 17:33 ` Darren Hart
2013-07-15 19:04 ` Rob Landley
2013-07-19 11:25 ` Ingo Molnar
2013-07-23 8:26 ` Rogelio Serrano
2013-07-17 20:07 [Ksummit-2013-discuss] [ATTEND] How to act on LKML George Spelvin
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