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From: Adrian Bunk <bunk@stusta.de>
To: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, tony.luck@intel.com,
	linux-ia64@vger.kernel.org, matthew@wil.cx,
	grundler@parisc-linux.org, parisc-linux@parisc-linux.org,
	paulus@samba.org, linuxppc-dev@ozlabs.org, lethal@linux-sh.org,
	kkojima@rr.iij4u.or.jp, dwmw2@infradead.org,
	linux-mtd@lists.infradead.org
Subject: Re: [2.6 patch] defconfig's shouldn't set CONFIG_BROKEN=y
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 01:10:28 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20051213001028.GS23349@stusta.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20051211194437.GB22537@flint.arm.linux.org.uk>

On Sun, Dec 11, 2005 at 07:44:37PM +0000, Russell King wrote:
> On Sun, Dec 11, 2005 at 08:31:18PM +0100, Adrian Bunk wrote:
> > On Sun, Dec 11, 2005 at 07:21:10PM +0000, Russell King wrote:
> > > On Sun, Dec 11, 2005 at 07:52:12PM +0100, Adrian Bunk wrote:
> > > > defconfig's shouldn't set CONFIG_BROKEN=y.
> > > 
> > > NACK.  This changes other configuration options in addition, for example
> > > in collie_defconfig:
> > > 
> > > -CONFIG_MTD_OBSOLETE_CHIPS=y
> > > -# CONFIG_MTD_AMDSTD is not set
> > > -CONFIG_MTD_SHARP=y
> > > -# CONFIG_MTD_JEDEC is not set
> > 
> > That's not a problem introduced by my patch.
> 
> It's a problem introduced by your patch because the resulting defconfig
> file becomes _wrong_ by your change, and other changes in the defconfig
> are thereby hidden.
>...


No, CONFIG_BROKEN=y in a defconfig file is a bug.

Either the defconfig doesn't use BROKEN code in which case it's simply 
wrong, or it's a wrong workaround (as in the CONFIG_MTD_SHARP case) for 
a wrong BROKEN dependency.


And it's a dangerous workaround:

Consider e.g. that "both marked as obsolete and BROKEN" are the best 
candidates for "remove obsolete code" cleanups - and there goes your 
driver to /dev/null ...


> Russell King

cu
Adrian

-- 

       "Is there not promise of rain?" Ling Tan asked suddenly out
        of the darkness. There had been need of rain for many days.
       "Only a promise," Lao Er said.
                                       Pearl S. Buck - Dragon Seed


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From: Adrian Bunk <bunk@stusta.de>
To: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, tony.luck@intel.com,
	linux-ia64@vger.kernel.org, matthew@wil.cx,
	grundler@parisc-linux.org, parisc-linux@parisc-linux.org,
	paulus@samba.org, linuxppc-dev@ozlabs.org, lethal@linux-sh.org,
	kkojima@rr.iij4u.or.jp, dwmw2@infradead.org,
	linux-mtd@lists.infradead.org
Subject: Re: [2.6 patch] defconfig's shouldn't set CONFIG_BROKEN=y
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 01:10:28 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20051213001028.GS23349@stusta.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20051211194437.GB22537@flint.arm.linux.org.uk>

On Sun, Dec 11, 2005 at 07:44:37PM +0000, Russell King wrote:
> On Sun, Dec 11, 2005 at 08:31:18PM +0100, Adrian Bunk wrote:
> > On Sun, Dec 11, 2005 at 07:21:10PM +0000, Russell King wrote:
> > > On Sun, Dec 11, 2005 at 07:52:12PM +0100, Adrian Bunk wrote:
> > > > defconfig's shouldn't set CONFIG_BROKEN=y.
> > > 
> > > NACK.  This changes other configuration options in addition, for example
> > > in collie_defconfig:
> > > 
> > > -CONFIG_MTD_OBSOLETE_CHIPS=y
> > > -# CONFIG_MTD_AMDSTD is not set
> > > -CONFIG_MTD_SHARP=y
> > > -# CONFIG_MTD_JEDEC is not set
> > 
> > That's not a problem introduced by my patch.
> 
> It's a problem introduced by your patch because the resulting defconfig
> file becomes _wrong_ by your change, and other changes in the defconfig
> are thereby hidden.
>...


No, CONFIG_BROKEN=y in a defconfig file is a bug.

Either the defconfig doesn't use BROKEN code in which case it's simply 
wrong, or it's a wrong workaround (as in the CONFIG_MTD_SHARP case) for 
a wrong BROKEN dependency.


And it's a dangerous workaround:

Consider e.g. that "both marked as obsolete and BROKEN" are the best 
candidates for "remove obsolete code" cleanups - and there goes your 
driver to /dev/null ...


> Russell King

cu
Adrian

-- 

       "Is there not promise of rain?" Ling Tan asked suddenly out
        of the darkness. There had been need of rain for many days.
       "Only a promise," Lao Er said.
                                       Pearl S. Buck - Dragon Seed

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Adrian Bunk <bunk@stusta.de>
To: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, tony.luck@intel.com,
	linux-ia64@vger.kernel.org, matthew@wil.cx,
	grundler@parisc-linux.org, parisc-linux@parisc-linux.org,
	paulus@samba.org, linuxppc-dev@ozlabs.org, lethal@linux-sh.org,
	kkojima@rr.iij4u.or.jp, dwmw2@infradead.org,
	linux-mtd@lists.infradead.org
Subject: Re: [2.6 patch] defconfig's shouldn't set CONFIG_BROKEN=y
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 00:10:28 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20051213001028.GS23349@stusta.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20051211194437.GB22537@flint.arm.linux.org.uk>

On Sun, Dec 11, 2005 at 07:44:37PM +0000, Russell King wrote:
> On Sun, Dec 11, 2005 at 08:31:18PM +0100, Adrian Bunk wrote:
> > On Sun, Dec 11, 2005 at 07:21:10PM +0000, Russell King wrote:
> > > On Sun, Dec 11, 2005 at 07:52:12PM +0100, Adrian Bunk wrote:
> > > > defconfig's shouldn't set CONFIG_BROKEN=y.
> > > 
> > > NACK.  This changes other configuration options in addition, for example
> > > in collie_defconfig:
> > > 
> > > -CONFIG_MTD_OBSOLETE_CHIPS=y
> > > -# CONFIG_MTD_AMDSTD is not set
> > > -CONFIG_MTD_SHARP=y
> > > -# CONFIG_MTD_JEDEC is not set
> > 
> > That's not a problem introduced by my patch.
> 
> It's a problem introduced by your patch because the resulting defconfig
> file becomes _wrong_ by your change, and other changes in the defconfig
> are thereby hidden.
>...


No, CONFIG_BROKEN=y in a defconfig file is a bug.

Either the defconfig doesn't use BROKEN code in which case it's simply 
wrong, or it's a wrong workaround (as in the CONFIG_MTD_SHARP case) for 
a wrong BROKEN dependency.


And it's a dangerous workaround:

Consider e.g. that "both marked as obsolete and BROKEN" are the best 
candidates for "remove obsolete code" cleanups - and there goes your 
driver to /dev/null ...


> Russell King

cu
Adrian

-- 

       "Is there not promise of rain?" Ling Tan asked suddenly out
        of the darkness. There had been need of rain for many days.
       "Only a promise," Lao Er said.
                                       Pearl S. Buck - Dragon Seed


  reply	other threads:[~2005-12-13  0:10 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 55+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-12-11 18:52 [2.6 patch] defconfig's shouldn't set CONFIG_BROKEN=y Adrian Bunk
2005-12-11 18:52 ` Adrian Bunk
2005-12-11 18:52 ` Adrian Bunk
2005-12-11 19:21 ` Russell King
2005-12-11 19:21   ` Russell King
2005-12-11 19:31   ` Adrian Bunk
2005-12-11 19:31     ` Adrian Bunk
2005-12-11 19:44     ` Russell King
2005-12-11 19:44       ` Russell King
2005-12-13  0:10       ` Adrian Bunk [this message]
2005-12-13  0:10         ` Adrian Bunk
2005-12-13  0:10         ` Adrian Bunk
2005-12-13 13:34         ` Simon Richter
2005-12-13 13:34           ` Simon Richter
2005-12-13 13:34           ` Simon Richter
2005-12-13 14:00           ` Adrian Bunk
2005-12-13 14:00             ` Adrian Bunk
2005-12-13 14:00             ` Adrian Bunk
2005-12-13 14:00             ` Adrian Bunk
2005-12-13 17:31             ` Russell King
2005-12-13 17:31               ` Russell King
2005-12-13 17:31               ` Russell King
2005-12-13 17:38               ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2005-12-13 19:53                 ` Russell King
2005-12-13 20:09                   ` Adrian Bunk
2005-12-13 18:05               ` [2.6 patch] don't allow users to " Adrian Bunk
2005-12-13 18:05                 ` Adrian Bunk
2005-12-13 18:05                 ` Adrian Bunk
2005-12-13 18:28                 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2005-12-13 18:28                   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2005-12-13 18:28                   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2005-12-13 18:28                   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2005-12-13 18:51                   ` Adrian Bunk
2005-12-13 18:51                     ` Adrian Bunk
2005-12-13 18:51                     ` Adrian Bunk
2005-12-13 18:51                     ` Adrian Bunk
2005-12-13 18:59                   ` Jesper Juhl
2005-12-13 18:59                     ` Jesper Juhl
2005-12-13 18:59                     ` Jesper Juhl
2005-12-13 18:59                     ` Jesper Juhl
2005-12-13 20:01                 ` Russell King
2005-12-13 20:01                   ` Russell King
2005-12-13 20:01                   ` Russell King
2005-12-13 20:19                   ` Adrian Bunk
2005-12-13 20:19                     ` Adrian Bunk
2005-12-13 20:19                     ` Adrian Bunk
2005-12-13 22:01                     ` Russell King
2005-12-13 22:01                       ` Russell King
2005-12-13 22:01                       ` Russell King
2005-12-12  9:38     ` [2.6 patch] defconfig's shouldn't " David Woodhouse
2005-12-12  9:38       ` David Woodhouse
2005-12-12  9:38       ` David Woodhouse
2005-12-13  0:05       ` [RFC: 2.6 patch] no longer mark MTD_OBSOLETE_CHIPS as BROKEN and remove broken MTD_OBSOLETE_CHIPS drivers Adrian Bunk
2005-12-13  0:06         ` Adrian Bunk
2005-12-14 11:50       ` [2.6 patch] defconfig's shouldn't set CONFIG_BROKEN=y Richard Purdie

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