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From: Adrian Bunk <bunk@stusta.de>
To: Simon Richter <Simon.Richter@hogyros.de>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, tony.luck@intel.com,
	linux-ia64@vger.kernel.org, matthew@wil.cx,
	grundler@parisc-linux.org, parisc-linux@parisc-linux.org,
	paulus@samba.org, linuxppc-dev@ozlabs.org, lethal@linux-sh.org,
	kkojima@rr.iij4u.or.jp, dwmw2@infradead.org,
	linux-mtd@lists.infradead.org
Subject: Re: [2.6 patch] defconfig's shouldn't set CONFIG_BROKEN=y
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 15:00:01 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20051213140001.GG23349@stusta.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <439ECDCC.80707@hogyros.de>

On Tue, Dec 13, 2005 at 02:34:04PM +0100, Simon Richter wrote:

> Hi,

Hi Simon,

> Adrian Bunk wrote:
> 
> >>It's a problem introduced by your patch because the resulting defconfig
> >>file becomes _wrong_ by your change, and other changes in the defconfig
> >>are thereby hidden.
> >>...
> 
> >No, CONFIG_BROKEN=y in a defconfig file is a bug.
> 
> Indeed, but that's not the point. A defconfig file should be the result 
> of running one of the various configuration targets; yours are 
> hand-patched. If you run the defconfig target, it will copy the config 
> file and run oldconfig, thus resulting in a different configuration file 
> (because options may now be gone and hence disabled) than what was in 
> the defconfig, and thus people may come to the wrong conclusion that if 
> a driver is enabled in a defconfig file, it will be built.

defconfig files are virtually never a configuration for the kernel they 
are shipped with since they aren't updated every time some configuration 
option is changed.

Consider a defconfig with CONFIG_BROKEN=n, and a driver that is enabled 
in this defconfig gets for some reason marked as broken in the Kconfig 
file - this will give exactly the same result as the one you describe.

>    Simon

cu
Adrian

-- 

       "Is there not promise of rain?" Ling Tan asked suddenly out
        of the darkness. There had been need of rain for many days.
       "Only a promise," Lao Er said.
                                       Pearl S. Buck - Dragon Seed


WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Adrian Bunk <bunk@stusta.de>
To: Simon Richter <Simon.Richter@hogyros.de>
Cc: tony.luck@intel.com, linux-ia64@vger.kernel.org,
	grundler@parisc-linux.org, matthew@wil.cx,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linuxppc-dev@ozlabs.org,
	lethal@linux-sh.org, linux-mtd@lists.infradead.org,
	dwmw2@infradead.org, kkojima@rr.iij4u.or.jp,
	parisc-linux@parisc-linux.org
Subject: Re: [2.6 patch] defconfig's shouldn't set CONFIG_BROKEN=y
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 15:00:01 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20051213140001.GG23349@stusta.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <439ECDCC.80707@hogyros.de>

On Tue, Dec 13, 2005 at 02:34:04PM +0100, Simon Richter wrote:

> Hi,

Hi Simon,

> Adrian Bunk wrote:
> 
> >>It's a problem introduced by your patch because the resulting defconfig
> >>file becomes _wrong_ by your change, and other changes in the defconfig
> >>are thereby hidden.
> >>...
> 
> >No, CONFIG_BROKEN=y in a defconfig file is a bug.
> 
> Indeed, but that's not the point. A defconfig file should be the result 
> of running one of the various configuration targets; yours are 
> hand-patched. If you run the defconfig target, it will copy the config 
> file and run oldconfig, thus resulting in a different configuration file 
> (because options may now be gone and hence disabled) than what was in 
> the defconfig, and thus people may come to the wrong conclusion that if 
> a driver is enabled in a defconfig file, it will be built.

defconfig files are virtually never a configuration for the kernel they 
are shipped with since they aren't updated every time some configuration 
option is changed.

Consider a defconfig with CONFIG_BROKEN=n, and a driver that is enabled 
in this defconfig gets for some reason marked as broken in the Kconfig 
file - this will give exactly the same result as the one you describe.

>    Simon

cu
Adrian

-- 

       "Is there not promise of rain?" Ling Tan asked suddenly out
        of the darkness. There had been need of rain for many days.
       "Only a promise," Lao Er said.
                                       Pearl S. Buck - Dragon Seed

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From: Adrian Bunk <bunk@stusta.de>
To: Simon Richter <Simon.Richter@hogyros.de>
Cc: tony.luck@intel.com, linux-ia64@vger.kernel.org,
	grundler@parisc-linux.org, matthew@wil.cx,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linuxppc-dev@ozlabs.org,
	lethal@linux-sh.org, paulus@samba.org,
	linux-mtd@lists.infradead.org, dwmw2@infradead.org,
	kkojima@rr.iij4u.or.jp, parisc-linux@parisc-linux.org
Subject: Re: [2.6 patch] defconfig's shouldn't set CONFIG_BROKEN=y
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 15:00:01 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20051213140001.GG23349@stusta.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <439ECDCC.80707@hogyros.de>

On Tue, Dec 13, 2005 at 02:34:04PM +0100, Simon Richter wrote:

> Hi,

Hi Simon,

> Adrian Bunk wrote:
> 
> >>It's a problem introduced by your patch because the resulting defconfig
> >>file becomes _wrong_ by your change, and other changes in the defconfig
> >>are thereby hidden.
> >>...
> 
> >No, CONFIG_BROKEN=y in a defconfig file is a bug.
> 
> Indeed, but that's not the point. A defconfig file should be the result 
> of running one of the various configuration targets; yours are 
> hand-patched. If you run the defconfig target, it will copy the config 
> file and run oldconfig, thus resulting in a different configuration file 
> (because options may now be gone and hence disabled) than what was in 
> the defconfig, and thus people may come to the wrong conclusion that if 
> a driver is enabled in a defconfig file, it will be built.

defconfig files are virtually never a configuration for the kernel they 
are shipped with since they aren't updated every time some configuration 
option is changed.

Consider a defconfig with CONFIG_BROKEN=n, and a driver that is enabled 
in this defconfig gets for some reason marked as broken in the Kconfig 
file - this will give exactly the same result as the one you describe.

>    Simon

cu
Adrian

-- 

       "Is there not promise of rain?" Ling Tan asked suddenly out
        of the darkness. There had been need of rain for many days.
       "Only a promise," Lao Er said.
                                       Pearl S. Buck - Dragon Seed

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Adrian Bunk <bunk@stusta.de>
To: Simon Richter <Simon.Richter@hogyros.de>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, tony.luck@intel.com,
	linux-ia64@vger.kernel.org, matthew@wil.cx,
	grundler@parisc-linux.org, parisc-linux@parisc-linux.org,
	paulus@samba.org, linuxppc-dev@ozlabs.org, lethal@linux-sh.org,
	kkojima@rr.iij4u.or.jp, dwmw2@infradead.org,
	linux-mtd@lists.infradead.org
Subject: Re: [2.6 patch] defconfig's shouldn't set CONFIG_BROKEN=y
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 14:00:01 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20051213140001.GG23349@stusta.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <439ECDCC.80707@hogyros.de>

On Tue, Dec 13, 2005 at 02:34:04PM +0100, Simon Richter wrote:

> Hi,

Hi Simon,

> Adrian Bunk wrote:
> 
> >>It's a problem introduced by your patch because the resulting defconfig
> >>file becomes _wrong_ by your change, and other changes in the defconfig
> >>are thereby hidden.
> >>...
> 
> >No, CONFIG_BROKEN=y in a defconfig file is a bug.
> 
> Indeed, but that's not the point. A defconfig file should be the result 
> of running one of the various configuration targets; yours are 
> hand-patched. If you run the defconfig target, it will copy the config 
> file and run oldconfig, thus resulting in a different configuration file 
> (because options may now be gone and hence disabled) than what was in 
> the defconfig, and thus people may come to the wrong conclusion that if 
> a driver is enabled in a defconfig file, it will be built.

defconfig files are virtually never a configuration for the kernel they 
are shipped with since they aren't updated every time some configuration 
option is changed.

Consider a defconfig with CONFIG_BROKEN=n, and a driver that is enabled 
in this defconfig gets for some reason marked as broken in the Kconfig 
file - this will give exactly the same result as the one you describe.

>    Simon

cu
Adrian

-- 

       "Is there not promise of rain?" Ling Tan asked suddenly out
        of the darkness. There had been need of rain for many days.
       "Only a promise," Lao Er said.
                                       Pearl S. Buck - Dragon Seed


  reply	other threads:[~2005-12-13 14:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 55+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-12-11 18:52 [2.6 patch] defconfig's shouldn't set CONFIG_BROKEN=y Adrian Bunk
2005-12-11 18:52 ` Adrian Bunk
2005-12-11 18:52 ` Adrian Bunk
2005-12-11 19:21 ` Russell King
2005-12-11 19:21   ` Russell King
2005-12-11 19:31   ` Adrian Bunk
2005-12-11 19:31     ` Adrian Bunk
2005-12-11 19:44     ` Russell King
2005-12-11 19:44       ` Russell King
2005-12-13  0:10       ` Adrian Bunk
2005-12-13  0:10         ` Adrian Bunk
2005-12-13  0:10         ` Adrian Bunk
2005-12-13 13:34         ` Simon Richter
2005-12-13 13:34           ` Simon Richter
2005-12-13 13:34           ` Simon Richter
2005-12-13 14:00           ` Adrian Bunk [this message]
2005-12-13 14:00             ` Adrian Bunk
2005-12-13 14:00             ` Adrian Bunk
2005-12-13 14:00             ` Adrian Bunk
2005-12-13 17:31             ` Russell King
2005-12-13 17:31               ` Russell King
2005-12-13 17:31               ` Russell King
2005-12-13 17:38               ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2005-12-13 19:53                 ` Russell King
2005-12-13 20:09                   ` Adrian Bunk
2005-12-13 18:05               ` [2.6 patch] don't allow users to " Adrian Bunk
2005-12-13 18:05                 ` Adrian Bunk
2005-12-13 18:05                 ` Adrian Bunk
2005-12-13 18:28                 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2005-12-13 18:28                   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2005-12-13 18:28                   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2005-12-13 18:28                   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2005-12-13 18:51                   ` Adrian Bunk
2005-12-13 18:51                     ` Adrian Bunk
2005-12-13 18:51                     ` Adrian Bunk
2005-12-13 18:51                     ` Adrian Bunk
2005-12-13 18:59                   ` Jesper Juhl
2005-12-13 18:59                     ` Jesper Juhl
2005-12-13 18:59                     ` Jesper Juhl
2005-12-13 18:59                     ` Jesper Juhl
2005-12-13 20:01                 ` Russell King
2005-12-13 20:01                   ` Russell King
2005-12-13 20:01                   ` Russell King
2005-12-13 20:19                   ` Adrian Bunk
2005-12-13 20:19                     ` Adrian Bunk
2005-12-13 20:19                     ` Adrian Bunk
2005-12-13 22:01                     ` Russell King
2005-12-13 22:01                       ` Russell King
2005-12-13 22:01                       ` Russell King
2005-12-12  9:38     ` [2.6 patch] defconfig's shouldn't " David Woodhouse
2005-12-12  9:38       ` David Woodhouse
2005-12-12  9:38       ` David Woodhouse
2005-12-13  0:05       ` [RFC: 2.6 patch] no longer mark MTD_OBSOLETE_CHIPS as BROKEN and remove broken MTD_OBSOLETE_CHIPS drivers Adrian Bunk
2005-12-13  0:06         ` Adrian Bunk
2005-12-14 11:50       ` [2.6 patch] defconfig's shouldn't set CONFIG_BROKEN=y Richard Purdie

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