From: Wu Fengguang <fengguang.wu@intel.com>
To: Vivek Goyal <vgoyal@redhat.com>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
"linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>, Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>,
Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>,
Greg Thelen <gthelen@google.com>,
Minchan Kim <minchan.kim@gmail.com>,
Andrea Righi <arighi@develer.com>, linux-mm <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/5] writeback: dirty position control
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 08:12:58 +0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20110824001257.GA6349@localhost> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20110823174757.GC15820@redhat.com>
> You somehow directly jump to
>
> balanced_rate = task_ratelimit_200ms * write_bw / dirty_rate
>
> without explaining why following will not work.
>
> balanced_rate_(i+1) = balance_rate(i) * write_bw / dirty_rate
Thanks for asking that, it's probably the root of confusions, so let
me answer it standalone.
It's actually pretty simple to explain this equation:
write_bw
balanced_rate = task_ratelimit_200ms * ---------- (1)
dirty_rate
If there are N dd tasks, each task is throttled at task_ratelimit_200ms
for the past 200ms, we are going to measure the overall bdi dirty rate
dirty_rate = N * task_ratelimit_200ms (2)
put (2) into (1) we get
balanced_rate = write_bw / N (3)
So equation (1) is the right estimation to get the desired target (3).
As for
write_bw
balanced_rate_(i+1) = balanced_rate_(i) * ---------- (4)
dirty_rate
Let's compare it with the "expanded" form of (1):
write_bw
balanced_rate_(i+1) = balanced_rate_(i) * pos_ratio * ---------- (5)
dirty_rate
So the difference lies in pos_ratio.
Believe it or not, it's exactly the seemingly use of pos_ratio that
makes (5) independent(*) of the position control.
Why? Look at (4), assume the system is in a state
- dirty rate is already balanced, ie. balanced_rate_(i) = write_bw / N
- dirty position is not balanced, for example pos_ratio = 0.5
balance_dirty_pages() will be rate limiting each tasks at half the
balanced dirty rate, yielding a measured
dirty_rate = write_bw / 2 (6)
Put (6) into (4), we get
balanced_rate_(i+1) = balanced_rate_(i) * 2
= (write_bw / N) * 2
That means, any position imbalance will lead to balanced_rate
estimation errors if we follow (4). Whereas if (1)/(5) is used, we
always get the right balanced dirty ratelimit value whether or not
(pos_ratio == 1.0), hence make the rate estimation independent(*) of
dirty position control.
(*) independent as in real values, not the seemingly relations in equation
Thanks,
Fengguang
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From: Wu Fengguang <fengguang.wu@intel.com>
To: Vivek Goyal <vgoyal@redhat.com>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
"linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>, Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>,
Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>,
Greg Thelen <gthelen@google.com>,
Minchan Kim <minchan.kim@gmail.com>,
Andrea Righi <arighi@develer.com>, linux-mm <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/5] writeback: dirty position control
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 08:12:58 +0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20110824001257.GA6349@localhost> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20110823174757.GC15820@redhat.com>
> You somehow directly jump to
>
> balanced_rate = task_ratelimit_200ms * write_bw / dirty_rate
>
> without explaining why following will not work.
>
> balanced_rate_(i+1) = balance_rate(i) * write_bw / dirty_rate
Thanks for asking that, it's probably the root of confusions, so let
me answer it standalone.
It's actually pretty simple to explain this equation:
write_bw
balanced_rate = task_ratelimit_200ms * ---------- (1)
dirty_rate
If there are N dd tasks, each task is throttled at task_ratelimit_200ms
for the past 200ms, we are going to measure the overall bdi dirty rate
dirty_rate = N * task_ratelimit_200ms (2)
put (2) into (1) we get
balanced_rate = write_bw / N (3)
So equation (1) is the right estimation to get the desired target (3).
As for
write_bw
balanced_rate_(i+1) = balanced_rate_(i) * ---------- (4)
dirty_rate
Let's compare it with the "expanded" form of (1):
write_bw
balanced_rate_(i+1) = balanced_rate_(i) * pos_ratio * ---------- (5)
dirty_rate
So the difference lies in pos_ratio.
Believe it or not, it's exactly the seemingly use of pos_ratio that
makes (5) independent(*) of the position control.
Why? Look at (4), assume the system is in a state
- dirty rate is already balanced, ie. balanced_rate_(i) = write_bw / N
- dirty position is not balanced, for example pos_ratio = 0.5
balance_dirty_pages() will be rate limiting each tasks at half the
balanced dirty rate, yielding a measured
dirty_rate = write_bw / 2 (6)
Put (6) into (4), we get
balanced_rate_(i+1) = balanced_rate_(i) * 2
= (write_bw / N) * 2
That means, any position imbalance will lead to balanced_rate
estimation errors if we follow (4). Whereas if (1)/(5) is used, we
always get the right balanced dirty ratelimit value whether or not
(pos_ratio == 1.0), hence make the rate estimation independent(*) of
dirty position control.
(*) independent as in real values, not the seemingly relations in equation
Thanks,
Fengguang
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2011-08-06 8:44 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-06 8:44 ` [PATCH 1/5] writeback: account per-bdi accumulated dirtied pages Wu Fengguang
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2011-08-08 13:46 ` Peter Zijlstra
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2011-08-09 9:31 ` Peter Zijlstra
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2011-08-08 23:05 ` Wu Fengguang
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2011-08-09 17:20 ` Peter Zijlstra
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2011-08-10 22:34 ` Jan Kara
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2011-08-16 8:35 ` Wu Fengguang
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2011-08-12 13:19 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-12 13:19 ` Wu Fengguang
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2011-08-16 8:55 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-11 22:56 ` Peter Zijlstra
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2011-08-11 22:56 ` Peter Zijlstra
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2011-08-12 3:18 ` Wu Fengguang
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2011-08-12 5:45 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-12 9:45 ` Peter Zijlstra
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2011-08-12 9:45 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-12 11:07 ` Wu Fengguang
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2011-08-12 12:17 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-12 9:47 ` Peter Zijlstra
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2011-08-12 9:47 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-12 11:11 ` Wu Fengguang
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2011-08-12 12:54 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-12 12:54 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-12 12:54 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-12 12:59 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-12 12:59 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-12 13:08 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-12 13:08 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-12 13:08 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-12 13:04 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-12 13:04 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-12 13:04 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-12 14:20 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-12 14:20 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-22 15:38 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-22 15:38 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-22 15:38 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-23 3:40 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-23 3:40 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-23 10:01 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-23 10:01 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-23 10:01 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-23 14:15 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-23 14:15 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-23 17:47 ` Vivek Goyal
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2011-08-26 0:18 ` Wu Fengguang
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2011-08-26 9:04 ` Peter Zijlstra
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2011-08-26 10:04 ` Wu Fengguang
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2011-08-26 10:42 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-26 10:42 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-26 10:52 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-26 10:52 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-26 11:26 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-26 12:11 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-26 12:11 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-26 12:20 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-26 12:20 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-26 13:13 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-26 13:18 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-26 13:18 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-26 13:24 ` Wu Fengguang
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2011-08-24 18:00 ` Vivek Goyal
2011-08-24 18:00 ` Vivek Goyal
2011-08-25 3:19 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-25 3:19 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-25 22:20 ` Vivek Goyal
2011-08-25 22:20 ` Vivek Goyal
2011-08-26 1:56 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-26 1:56 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-26 8:56 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-26 8:56 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-26 9:53 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-26 9:53 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-29 13:12 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-29 13:12 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-29 13:37 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-29 13:37 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-09-02 12:16 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-09-02 12:16 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-09-06 12:40 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-09-06 12:40 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-24 15:57 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-24 15:57 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-24 15:57 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-25 5:30 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-25 5:30 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-23 14:36 ` Vivek Goyal
2011-08-23 14:36 ` Vivek Goyal
2011-08-09 2:08 ` Vivek Goyal
2011-08-09 2:08 ` Vivek Goyal
2011-08-16 8:59 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-16 8:59 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-06 8:44 ` [PATCH 3/5] writeback: dirty rate control Wu Fengguang
2011-08-06 8:44 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-06 8:44 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-09 14:54 ` Vivek Goyal
2011-08-09 14:54 ` Vivek Goyal
2011-08-11 3:42 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-11 3:42 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-09 14:57 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-09 14:57 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-09 14:57 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-10 11:07 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-10 11:07 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-10 16:17 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-10 16:17 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-10 16:17 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-15 14:08 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-15 14:08 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-09 15:50 ` Vivek Goyal
2011-08-09 15:50 ` Vivek Goyal
2011-08-09 16:16 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-09 16:16 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-09 16:16 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-09 16:19 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-09 16:19 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-09 16:19 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-10 14:07 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-10 14:07 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-10 14:00 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-10 14:00 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-10 17:10 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-10 17:10 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-15 14:11 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-15 14:11 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-09 16:56 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-09 16:56 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-09 16:56 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-10 14:10 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-09 17:02 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-09 17:02 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-09 17:02 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-10 14:15 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-10 14:15 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-06 8:44 ` [PATCH 4/5] writeback: per task dirty rate limit Wu Fengguang
2011-08-06 8:44 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-06 8:44 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-06 14:35 ` Andrea Righi
2011-08-06 14:35 ` Andrea Righi
2011-08-07 6:19 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-07 6:19 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-08 13:47 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-08 13:47 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-08 13:47 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-08 14:21 ` Wu Fengguang
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2011-08-08 23:32 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-08 23:32 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-08 14:23 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-08 14:23 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-08 14:26 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-08 14:26 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-08 14:26 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-08 22:38 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-08 22:38 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-13 16:28 ` Andrea Righi
2011-08-13 16:28 ` Andrea Righi
2011-08-15 14:21 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-15 14:26 ` Andrea Righi
2011-08-15 14:26 ` Andrea Righi
2011-08-09 17:46 ` Vivek Goyal
2011-08-09 17:46 ` Vivek Goyal
2011-08-10 3:29 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-10 3:29 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-10 18:18 ` Vivek Goyal
2011-08-10 18:18 ` Vivek Goyal
2011-08-11 0:55 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-11 0:55 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-09 18:35 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-09 18:35 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-09 18:35 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-10 3:40 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-10 3:40 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-10 10:25 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-10 10:25 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-10 10:25 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-10 11:13 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-10 11:13 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-06 8:44 ` [PATCH 5/5] writeback: IO-less balance_dirty_pages() Wu Fengguang
2011-08-06 8:44 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-06 8:44 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-06 14:48 ` Andrea Righi
2011-08-06 14:48 ` Andrea Righi
2011-08-06 14:48 ` Andrea Righi
2011-08-07 6:44 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-07 6:44 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-07 6:44 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-06 16:46 ` Andrea Righi
2011-08-06 16:46 ` Andrea Righi
2011-08-07 7:18 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-07 9:50 ` Andrea Righi
2011-08-07 9:50 ` Andrea Righi
2011-08-09 18:15 ` Vivek Goyal
2011-08-09 18:15 ` Vivek Goyal
2011-08-09 18:41 ` Peter Zijlstra
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2011-08-09 18:41 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-08-10 3:22 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-10 3:22 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-10 3:26 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-10 3:26 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-09 19:16 ` Vivek Goyal
2011-08-09 19:16 ` Vivek Goyal
2011-08-10 4:33 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-09 2:01 ` [PATCH 0/5] IO-less dirty throttling v8 Vivek Goyal
2011-08-09 2:01 ` Vivek Goyal
2011-08-09 5:55 ` Dave Chinner
2011-08-09 5:55 ` Dave Chinner
2011-08-09 14:04 ` Vivek Goyal
2011-08-09 14:04 ` Vivek Goyal
2011-08-10 7:41 ` Greg Thelen
2011-08-10 7:41 ` Greg Thelen
2011-08-10 7:41 ` Greg Thelen
2011-08-10 18:40 ` Vivek Goyal
2011-08-10 18:40 ` Vivek Goyal
2011-08-10 18:40 ` Vivek Goyal
2011-08-11 3:21 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-11 3:21 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-11 20:42 ` Vivek Goyal
2011-08-11 20:42 ` Vivek Goyal
2011-08-11 21:00 ` Vivek Goyal
2011-08-11 21:00 ` Vivek Goyal
2011-08-16 2:20 [PATCH 0/5] IO-less dirty throttling v9 Wu Fengguang
2011-08-16 2:20 ` [PATCH 2/5] writeback: dirty position control Wu Fengguang
2011-08-16 2:20 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-16 2:20 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-16 19:41 ` Jan Kara
2011-08-16 19:41 ` Jan Kara
2011-08-17 13:23 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-17 13:49 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-17 13:49 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-17 20:24 ` Jan Kara
2011-08-17 20:24 ` Jan Kara
2011-08-18 4:18 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-18 4:18 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-18 4:41 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-18 4:41 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-18 19:16 ` Jan Kara
2011-08-18 19:16 ` Jan Kara
2011-08-24 3:16 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-24 3:16 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-19 2:53 ` Vivek Goyal
2011-08-19 2:53 ` Vivek Goyal
2011-08-19 3:25 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-08-19 3:25 ` Wu Fengguang
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2011-08-17 6:40 ` David Horner
2011-08-17 12:03 ` Jan Kara
2011-08-17 12:35 ` Wu Fengguang
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