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From: One Thousand Gnomes <gnomes@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>
To: Matthew Garrett <matthew.garrett@nebula.com>
Cc: "jmorris@namei.org" <jmorris@namei.org>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
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Subject: Re: Trusted kernel patchset for Secure Boot lockdown
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2014 21:24:50 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20140313212450.67f1de8e@alan.etchedpixels.co.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1394726363.25122.16.camel@x230>

On Thu, 13 Mar 2014 15:59:24 +0000
Matthew Garrett <matthew.garrett@nebula.com> wrote:

> On Thu, 2014-03-13 at 20:33 +1100, James Morris wrote:
> 
> > I'll take it, but there's unanswered review feedback (your response to the 
> > first question), and Alan raised some doubts about the patches which I'm 
> > not sure have been resolved.
> 
> The remaining opens seem to be CAP_SYS_RAWIO and firmware signing?
> Ironically, disabling CAP_SYS_RAWIO disables firmware loading…
> 
> The problem with CAP_SYS_RAWIO is that its semantics were never
> sufficiently well documented, and as a result it's a mixture of "This is
> incredibly dangerous" and "We replaced a check for uid 0 with whichever
> capability seemed to have the most appropriate name". I've gone through
> all the uses of CAP_SYS_RAWIO and added additional checks to the generic
> ones that seem appropriate. There's a couple of old drivers that use it
> to gate access to features that potentially allow arbitrary DMA and it
> might be worth cleaning those up, but the only general case I haven't
> modified is the ability to send arbitrary SCSI commands from userspace.
> My understanding is that endpoints aren't going to be able to DMA to
> arbitrary addresses, so that doesn't seem like a problem.
> 
> On the other hand, disabling CAP_SYS_RAWIO *definitely* breaks expected
> functionality - firmware loading and the fibmap ioctl are probably the
> most obvious. And changing the use of CAP_SYS_RAWIO potentially breaks
> userspace expectations, so we're kind of stuck there.

If I have CAP_SYS_RAWIO I can make arbitary ring 0 calls from userspace,
trivially and in a fashion well known and documented.

So if that isn't sufficient then we need to sort CAP_foo out first.

You've missed a few others too - mem= (especially with exactmap) for
example.

Alan

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To: Matthew Garrett
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Subject: Re: Trusted kernel patchset for Secure Boot lockdown
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2014 21:24:50 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20140313212450.67f1de8e@alan.etchedpixels.co.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1394726363.25122.16.camel@x230>

On Thu, 13 Mar 2014 15:59:24 +0000
Matthew Garrett <matthew.garrett-05XSO3Yj/JvQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> wrote:

> On Thu, 2014-03-13 at 20:33 +1100, James Morris wrote:
> 
> > I'll take it, but there's unanswered review feedback (your response to the 
> > first question), and Alan raised some doubts about the patches which I'm 
> > not sure have been resolved.
> 
> The remaining opens seem to be CAP_SYS_RAWIO and firmware signing?
> Ironically, disabling CAP_SYS_RAWIO disables firmware loading…
> 
> The problem with CAP_SYS_RAWIO is that its semantics were never
> sufficiently well documented, and as a result it's a mixture of "This is
> incredibly dangerous" and "We replaced a check for uid 0 with whichever
> capability seemed to have the most appropriate name". I've gone through
> all the uses of CAP_SYS_RAWIO and added additional checks to the generic
> ones that seem appropriate. There's a couple of old drivers that use it
> to gate access to features that potentially allow arbitrary DMA and it
> might be worth cleaning those up, but the only general case I haven't
> modified is the ability to send arbitrary SCSI commands from userspace.
> My understanding is that endpoints aren't going to be able to DMA to
> arbitrary addresses, so that doesn't seem like a problem.
> 
> On the other hand, disabling CAP_SYS_RAWIO *definitely* breaks expected
> functionality - firmware loading and the fibmap ioctl are probably the
> most obvious. And changing the use of CAP_SYS_RAWIO potentially breaks
> userspace expectations, so we're kind of stuck there.

If I have CAP_SYS_RAWIO I can make arbitary ring 0 calls from userspace,
trivially and in a fashion well known and documented.

So if that isn't sufficient then we need to sort CAP_foo out first.

You've missed a few others too - mem= (especially with exactmap) for
example.

Alan

  reply	other threads:[~2014-03-13 21:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 128+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-02-26 20:11 Trusted kernel patchset for Secure Boot lockdown Matthew Garrett
2014-02-26 20:11 ` [PATCH 01/12] Add support for indicating that the booted kernel is externally trusted Matthew Garrett
2014-02-27 19:02   ` Kees Cook
2014-02-27 19:02     ` Kees Cook
2014-03-31 14:49   ` Pavel Machek
2014-02-26 20:11 ` [PATCH 02/12] Enforce module signatures when trusted kernel is enabled Matthew Garrett
2014-02-26 20:11   ` Matthew Garrett
2014-02-26 20:11 ` [PATCH 03/12] PCI: Lock down BAR access when trusted_kernel is true Matthew Garrett
2014-02-26 20:11 ` [PATCH 04/12] x86: Lock down IO port " Matthew Garrett
2014-02-26 20:11 ` [PATCH 05/12] Restrict /dev/mem and /dev/kmem " Matthew Garrett
2014-02-26 20:11 ` [PATCH 06/12] acpi: Limit access to custom_method if " Matthew Garrett
2014-02-26 20:11 ` [PATCH 07/12] acpi: Ignore acpi_rsdp kernel parameter when " Matthew Garrett
2014-02-26 20:11 ` [PATCH 08/12] kexec: Disable at runtime if " Matthew Garrett
2014-02-26 20:11 ` [PATCH 09/12] uswsusp: Disable when " Matthew Garrett
2014-02-26 20:11   ` Matthew Garrett
2014-03-31 14:49   ` Pavel Machek
2014-02-26 20:11 ` [PATCH 10/12] x86: Restrict MSR access " Matthew Garrett
2014-02-26 20:11 ` [PATCH 11/12] asus-wmi: Restrict debugfs interface " Matthew Garrett
2014-02-26 20:11 ` [PATCH 12/12] Add option to automatically set trusted_kernel when in Secure Boot mode Matthew Garrett
2014-02-26 20:11   ` Matthew Garrett
2014-02-26 22:41   ` One Thousand Gnomes
2014-02-26 22:41     ` One Thousand Gnomes
2014-02-26 22:47     ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-02-26 22:48     ` Matthew Garrett
2014-02-26 22:48       ` Matthew Garrett
2014-02-27 18:48       ` Kees Cook
2014-02-27 18:48         ` Kees Cook
2014-02-26 21:11 ` Trusted kernel patchset for Secure Boot lockdown Kees Cook
2014-02-26 22:21   ` One Thousand Gnomes
2014-02-26 22:21     ` One Thousand Gnomes
2014-02-27  9:54     ` Alon Ziv
2014-03-19 17:42     ` Florian Weimer
2014-03-19 17:42       ` Florian Weimer
2014-02-27 18:04 ` Josh Boyer
2014-02-27 18:04   ` Josh Boyer
2014-02-27 19:07   ` Greg KH
2014-02-27 19:11     ` Josh Boyer
2014-02-27 19:11       ` Josh Boyer
2014-02-28 12:50       ` Josh Boyer
2014-02-28  3:03   ` James Morris
2014-02-28  4:52     ` Matthew Garrett
2014-02-28  4:52       ` Matthew Garrett
2014-03-13  5:01     ` Matthew Garrett
2014-03-13  5:01       ` Matthew Garrett
2014-03-13  6:22       ` Kees Cook
2014-03-13  6:22         ` Kees Cook
2014-03-13  9:33         ` James Morris
2014-03-13  9:33           ` James Morris
2014-03-13 10:12           ` One Thousand Gnomes
2014-03-13 10:12             ` One Thousand Gnomes
2014-03-13 15:54             ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-03-13 15:54               ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-03-13 15:59           ` Matthew Garrett
2014-03-13 15:59             ` Matthew Garrett
2014-03-13 21:24             ` One Thousand Gnomes [this message]
2014-03-13 21:24               ` One Thousand Gnomes
2014-03-13 21:28               ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-03-13 21:28                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-03-13 21:32                 ` Matthew Garrett
2014-03-13 21:32                   ` Matthew Garrett
2014-03-13 21:30               ` Matthew Garrett
2014-03-13 21:30                 ` Matthew Garrett
2014-03-13 23:21                 ` One Thousand Gnomes
2014-03-13 23:21                   ` One Thousand Gnomes
2014-03-14  1:57                   ` Matthew Garrett
2014-03-14  1:57                     ` Matthew Garrett
2014-03-14 12:22                     ` One Thousand Gnomes
2014-03-14 12:22                       ` One Thousand Gnomes
2014-03-14 12:51                       ` Matthew Garrett
2014-03-14 12:51                         ` Matthew Garrett
2014-03-14 15:23                         ` Kees Cook
2014-03-14 15:23                           ` Kees Cook
2014-03-14 15:46                           ` Matthew Garrett
2014-03-14 15:46                             ` Matthew Garrett
2014-03-14 15:54                             ` Kees Cook
2014-03-14 15:54                               ` Kees Cook
2014-03-14 15:58                               ` Matthew Garrett
2014-03-14 15:58                                 ` Matthew Garrett
2014-03-14 16:28                           ` One Thousand Gnomes
2014-03-14 16:28                             ` One Thousand Gnomes
2014-03-14 17:06                         ` One Thousand Gnomes
2014-03-14 17:06                           ` One Thousand Gnomes
2014-03-14 18:11                           ` Matthew Garrett
2014-03-14 18:11                             ` Matthew Garrett
2014-03-14 19:24                             ` Matthew Garrett
2014-03-14 19:24                               ` Matthew Garrett
2014-03-14 20:37                               ` David Lang
2014-03-14 20:37                                 ` David Lang
2014-03-14 20:43                                 ` Matthew Garrett
2014-03-14 20:43                                   ` Matthew Garrett
2014-03-14 21:58                               ` One Thousand Gnomes
2014-03-14 21:58                                 ` One Thousand Gnomes
2014-03-14 22:04                                 ` Matthew Garrett
2014-03-14 22:04                                   ` Matthew Garrett
2014-03-14 21:48                             ` One Thousand Gnomes
2014-03-14 21:48                               ` One Thousand Gnomes
2014-03-14 21:56                               ` Matthew Garrett
2014-03-14 21:56                                 ` Matthew Garrett
2014-03-14 22:08                                 ` One Thousand Gnomes
2014-03-14 22:08                                   ` One Thousand Gnomes
2014-03-14 22:15                                   ` Matthew Garrett
2014-03-14 22:15                                     ` Matthew Garrett
2014-03-14 22:31                                     ` One Thousand Gnomes
2014-03-14 22:31                                       ` One Thousand Gnomes
2014-03-14 22:52                                       ` Matthew Garrett
2014-03-14 22:52                                         ` Matthew Garrett
2014-03-19 19:50                                       ` Kees Cook
2014-03-19 19:50                                         ` Kees Cook
2014-03-14 23:18                                   ` Theodore Ts'o
2014-03-14 23:18                                     ` Theodore Ts'o
2014-03-15  0:15                                     ` One Thousand Gnomes
2014-03-15  0:15                                       ` One Thousand Gnomes
2014-03-19 17:49                                     ` Florian Weimer
2014-03-19 17:49                                       ` Florian Weimer
2014-03-19 20:16                                     ` Kees Cook
2014-03-19 20:16                                       ` Kees Cook
2014-03-20 14:47                                       ` One Thousand Gnomes
2014-03-20 14:47                                         ` One Thousand Gnomes
2014-03-20 14:55                                       ` tytso
2014-03-20 14:55                                         ` tytso
2014-03-20 17:12                                         ` Matthew Garrett
2014-03-20 17:12                                           ` Matthew Garrett
2014-03-20 18:13                                           ` One Thousand Gnomes
2014-03-20 18:13                                             ` One Thousand Gnomes
2014-03-13 21:26             ` One Thousand Gnomes
2014-03-13 21:26               ` One Thousand Gnomes
2014-03-13 21:31               ` Matthew Garrett
2014-03-13 21:31                 ` Matthew Garrett

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