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From: Grant Likely <grant.likely@secretlab.ca>
To: Alexander Holler <holler@ahsoftware.de>,
	Pantelis Antoniou <panto@antoniou-consulting.com>,
	Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>
Cc: devicetree@vger.kernel.org,
	Russell King - ARM Linux <linux@arm.linux.org.uk>,
	Richard Cochran <richardcochran@gmail.com>,
	Olof Johansson <olof@lixom.net>, Mark Brown <broonie@kernel.org>,
	Jon Masters <jonathan@jonmasters.org>,
	"linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org"
	<linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org>
Subject: Re: ACPI vs DT at runtime
Date: Tue, 06 May 2014 16:27:25 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20140506152725.E5B90C40959@trevor.secretlab.ca> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <53673866.9000105@ahsoftware.de>

On Mon, 05 May 2014 09:06:14 +0200, Alexander Holler <holler@ahsoftware.de> wrote:
> Am 22.11.2013 13:00, schrieb Pantelis Antoniou:
> 
> > As one that's going to be dealing with this, please don't take the DTS
> > files from the kernel.
> >
> > If you do this, I can guarantee that within a year almost no ARM board using DT
> > will boot a mainline kernel.
> >
> > The reason is that vendors have enough trouble (and failing) tracking a single
> > tree, adding yet another will just end to the vendor trees as far as the eye can see.
> >
> > Maybe, maybe, EVMs from silicon vendors will still boot, but I doubt any other
> > customer board will work.
> 
> A bit late (I don't follow the ML (or what happens in the ARM world) 
> closely, but as I've recently read that ARM64 will go UEFI and ACPI, I 
> wonder what was the reasoning behind that decision.

ARM64 will include support for UEFI an ACPI, but U-Boot and DT are not
going away. Really the only market segment that will care about ACPI is
ARM servers. Nobody else (embedded, mobile) needs to worry about it.

g.

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: grant.likely@secretlab.ca (Grant Likely)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: ACPI vs DT at runtime
Date: Tue, 06 May 2014 16:27:25 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20140506152725.E5B90C40959@trevor.secretlab.ca> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <53673866.9000105@ahsoftware.de>

On Mon, 05 May 2014 09:06:14 +0200, Alexander Holler <holler@ahsoftware.de> wrote:
> Am 22.11.2013 13:00, schrieb Pantelis Antoniou:
> 
> > As one that's going to be dealing with this, please don't take the DTS
> > files from the kernel.
> >
> > If you do this, I can guarantee that within a year almost no ARM board using DT
> > will boot a mainline kernel.
> >
> > The reason is that vendors have enough trouble (and failing) tracking a single
> > tree, adding yet another will just end to the vendor trees as far as the eye can see.
> >
> > Maybe, maybe, EVMs from silicon vendors will still boot, but I doubt any other
> > customer board will work.
> 
> A bit late (I don't follow the ML (or what happens in the ARM world) 
> closely, but as I've recently read that ARM64 will go UEFI and ACPI, I 
> wonder what was the reasoning behind that decision.

ARM64 will include support for UEFI an ACPI, but U-Boot and DT are not
going away. Really the only market segment that will care about ACPI is
ARM servers. Nobody else (embedded, mobile) needs to worry about it.

g.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2014-05-06 15:27 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 186+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-11-15  1:44 ACPI vs DT at runtime Olof Johansson
2013-11-15  1:44 ` Olof Johansson
2013-11-15  9:57 ` Mark Rutland
2013-11-15  9:57   ` Mark Rutland
     [not found]   ` <20131115175241. GB27174@quad.lixom.net>
     [not found]   ` <20131115095717.GC1709-NuALmloUBlrZROr8t4l/smS4ubULX0JqMm0uRHvK7Nw@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-15 17:52     ` Olof Johansson
2013-11-15 17:52       ` Olof Johansson
2013-11-15 18:13       ` David Goodenough
2013-11-21 16:15         ` Grant Likely
2013-11-18 17:47       ` Jon Masters
2013-11-18 17:47         ` Jon Masters
     [not found]       ` <20131115175241.GB27174-O5ziIzlqnXUVNXGz7ipsyg@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-15 18:08         ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-11-15 18:08           ` Russell King - ARM Linux
     [not found]           ` <20131115180832.GR16735-l+eeeJia6m9vn6HldHNs0ANdhmdF6hFW@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-15 18:42             ` Olof Johansson
2013-11-15 18:42               ` Olof Johansson
2013-11-15 19:56             ` Arnd Bergmann
2013-11-15 19:56               ` Arnd Bergmann
     [not found]               ` <201311152056.47846.arnd-r2nGTMty4D4@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-15 23:21                 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-11-15 23:21                   ` Russell King - ARM Linux
     [not found]                   ` <20131115232109.GT16735-l+eeeJia6m9vn6HldHNs0ANdhmdF6hFW@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-18 15:05                     ` Arnd Bergmann
2013-11-18 15:05                       ` Arnd Bergmann
     [not found]                       ` <201311181605.37300.arnd-r2nGTMty4D4@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-18 15:19                         ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-11-18 15:19                           ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-11-18 15:46                           ` Arnd Bergmann
2013-11-18 15:46                             ` Arnd Bergmann
2013-11-21 16:10                         ` Grant Likely
2013-11-21 16:10                           ` Grant Likely
     [not found]                           ` <20131121161037.C528CC406A3-WNowdnHR2B42iJbIjFUEsiwD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-21 18:26                             ` Arnd Bergmann
2013-11-21 18:26                               ` Arnd Bergmann
2013-11-21 19:40                               ` Mark Brown
2013-11-21 19:40                                 ` Mark Brown
     [not found]                       ` <20131118151900.GF16735@ n2100.arm.linux.org.uk>
     [not found]                         ` <20131118151900.GF16735-l+eeeJia6m9vn6HldHNs0ANdhmdF6hFW@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-21 16:11                           ` Grant Likely
2013-11-21 16:11                             ` Grant Likely
2013-11-21 16:00                     ` Grant Likely
2013-11-21 16:00                       ` Grant Likely
2013-11-19 11:30         ` Mark Rutland
2013-11-19 11:30           ` Mark Rutland
2013-11-19 11:35           ` Mark Rutland
2013-11-19 11:35             ` Mark Rutland
     [not found]             ` <20131119113557.GI5914-NuALmloUBlrZROr8t4l/smS4ubULX0JqMm0uRHvK7Nw@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-19 11:51               ` Leif Lindholm
2013-11-19 11:51                 ` Leif Lindholm
     [not found]           ` <20131119113015.GH5914-NuALmloUBlrZROr8t4l/smS4ubULX0JqMm0uRHvK7Nw@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-19 11:57             ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-11-19 11:57               ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-11-19 13:56             ` Stefano Stabellini
2013-11-19 13:56               ` Stefano Stabellini
2013-11-19 14:38               ` Mark Rutland
2013-11-19 14:38                 ` Mark Rutland
     [not found]                 ` <20131119143840.GN5914-NuALmloUBlrZROr8t4l/smS4ubULX0JqMm0uRHvK7Nw@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-19 14:59                   ` Leif Lindholm
2013-11-19 14:59                     ` Leif Lindholm
2013-11-19 18:23                   ` Olof Johansson
2013-11-19 18:23                     ` Olof Johansson
2013-11-19 14:05             ` Arnd Bergmann
2013-11-19 14:05               ` Arnd Bergmann
2013-11-19 15:21               ` Mark Rutland
2013-11-19 15:21                 ` Mark Rutland
     [not found]                 ` <20131119152157.GO5914-NuALmloUBlrZROr8t4l/smS4ubULX0JqMm0uRHvK7Nw@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-19 16:19                   ` Arnd Bergmann
2013-11-19 16:19                     ` Arnd Bergmann
2013-11-19 18:34                   ` Olof Johansson
2013-11-19 18:34                     ` Olof Johansson
2013-11-19 19:06                   ` Tom Rini
2013-11-19 19:06                     ` Tom Rini
2013-11-19 18:19             ` Olof Johansson
2013-11-19 18:19               ` Olof Johansson
     [not found]               ` <20131119181959.GA20967-O5ziIzlqnXUVNXGz7ipsyg@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-21 16:37                 ` Grant Likely
2013-11-21 16:37                   ` Grant Likely
2013-11-21 16:29             ` Grant Likely
2013-11-21 16:29               ` Grant Likely
     [not found]               ` <20131121170122. GB22960@srcf.ucam.org>
     [not found]                 ` <20131121170122.GB22960-1xO5oi07KQx4cg9Nei1l7Q@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-21 18:38                   ` Grant Likely
2013-11-21 18:38                     ` Grant Likely
     [not found]               ` <20131121162944.F087FC406A3-WNowdnHR2B42iJbIjFUEsiwD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-21 17:01                 ` Matthew Garrett
2013-11-21 17:01                   ` Matthew Garrett
2013-11-21 17:58                 ` Olof Johansson
2013-11-21 17:58                   ` Olof Johansson
     [not found]                   ` <20131121175822.GA9590-O5ziIzlqnXUVNXGz7ipsyg@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-21 18:19                     ` Matthew Garrett
2013-11-21 18:19                       ` Matthew Garrett
2013-11-21 18:33                     ` Arnd Bergmann
2013-11-21 18:33                       ` Arnd Bergmann
2013-11-21 18:54                     ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-11-21 18:54                       ` Russell King - ARM Linux
     [not found]                       ` <20131121185408.GX16735-l+eeeJia6m9vn6HldHNs0ANdhmdF6hFW@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-21 18:59                         ` Olof Johansson
2013-11-21 18:59                           ` Olof Johansson
     [not found]                           ` <CAOesGMgzUSMDy99XojipfRd5OM88UhfbCYO0aoc5m-Q8Fwnddg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-21 19:01                             ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-11-21 19:01                               ` Russell King - ARM Linux
     [not found]                               ` <20131121190126.GZ16735-l+eeeJia6m9vn6HldHNs0ANdhmdF6hFW@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-21 19:31                                 ` Olof Johansson
2013-11-21 19:31                                   ` Olof Johansson
     [not found]                       ` < CAOesGMgzUSMDy99XojipfRd5OM88UhfbCYO0aoc5m-Q8Fwnddg@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found]                         ` < 20131121190126.GZ16735@n2100.arm.linux.org.uk>
     [not found]                           ` < CAOesGMgxGq1Zmo+Dq-Rmy2F02-=12yUzB0AKn35yK2j3CacNRQ@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found]                             ` <CAOesGMgxGq1Zmo+Dq-Rmy2F02-=12yUzB0AKn35yK2j3CacNRQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-21 20:44                               ` Grant Likely
2013-11-21 20:44                                 ` Grant Likely
2013-11-21 18:53                 ` Mark Brown
2013-11-21 18:53                   ` Mark Brown
2013-11-15 18:28     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2013-11-15 18:28       ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]       ` <20131115182826.GB14920-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-15 18:57         ` Arnd Bergmann
2013-11-15 18:57           ` Arnd Bergmann
2013-11-20 13:49     ` Grant Likely
2013-11-20 13:49       ` Grant Likely
     [not found]       ` <20131120134942.95DBFC4079D-WNowdnHR2B42iJbIjFUEsiwD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-20 17:43         ` Stefano Stabellini
2013-11-20 17:43           ` Stefano Stabellini
     [not found]           ` <alpine.DEB.2.02.1311201737410.3198-7Z66fg9igcxYtxbxJUhB2Dgeux46jI+i@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-20 17:47             ` Olof Johansson
2013-11-20 17:47               ` Olof Johansson
2013-11-18  5:19   ` Jon Masters
2013-11-18  5:26     ` Jon Masters
     [not found]       ` <5289A4F3.5040203-Zp4isUonpHBD60Wz+7aTrA@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-18 19:25         ` Olof Johansson
2013-11-18 19:25           ` Olof Johansson
     [not found]           ` <20131118192552.GD5886-O5ziIzlqnXUVNXGz7ipsyg@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-18 20:43             ` Jon Masters
2013-11-18 20:43               ` Jon Masters
     [not found]               ` <528A7BFD.4020303-Zp4isUonpHBD60Wz+7aTrA@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-18 21:25                 ` Olof Johansson
2013-11-18 21:25                   ` Olof Johansson
2013-11-18  7:22     ` Richard Cochran
2013-11-18 13:55     ` Stefano Stabellini
2013-11-18 15:00     ` Mark Brown
     [not found]       ` <20131118150052.GC24408-GFdadSzt00ze9xe1eoZjHA@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-18 19:13         ` Olof Johansson
2013-11-18 19:13           ` Olof Johansson
     [not found]           ` <20131118191336.GB5886-O5ziIzlqnXUVNXGz7ipsyg@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-19  9:12             ` Richard Cochran
2013-11-19  9:12               ` Richard Cochran
2013-11-19 18:48               ` Olof Johansson
2013-11-19 18:48                 ` Olof Johansson
     [not found]                 ` <20131119184827.GD20967-O5ziIzlqnXUVNXGz7ipsyg@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-20  6:40                   ` Richard Cochran
2013-11-20  6:40                     ` Richard Cochran
2013-11-21 18:16                     ` Grant Likely
2013-11-21 18:16                       ` Grant Likely
2013-11-21 19:21                     ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-11-21 19:21                       ` Russell King - ARM Linux
     [not found]                     ` < 20131121192136.GA16735@n2100.arm.linux.org.uk>
     [not found]                       ` <20131121192136.GA16735-l+eeeJia6m9vn6HldHNs0ANdhmdF6hFW@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-21 20:47                         ` Grant Likely
2013-11-21 20:47                           ` Grant Likely
     [not found]                           ` <20131121204704.E4487C40753-WNowdnHR2B42iJbIjFUEsiwD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-22 11:43                             ` Catalin Marinas
2013-11-22 11:43                               ` Catalin Marinas
     [not found]                               ` <CAHkRjk5MstjD9JFk+co8k89i8geJBmSF6uObhGdmWSe0GJHo8g-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-22 12:00                                 ` Pantelis Antoniou
2013-11-22 12:00                                   ` Pantelis Antoniou
     [not found]                                   ` <97692EF2-013E-4E4B-BC16-E0915D67EFEC-wVdstyuyKrO8r51toPun2/C9HSW9iNxf@public.gmane.org>
2014-05-05  7:06                                     ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-05  7:06                                       ` Alexander Holler
     [not found]                                       ` <53673866.9000105-SXC+2es9fhnfWeYVQQPykw@public.gmane.org>
2014-05-05 14:41                                         ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-05-05 14:41                                           ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-05-05 15:29                                           ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-05 15:29                                             ` Alexander Holler
     [not found]                                             ` <5367AE6B.3010105-SXC+2es9fhnfWeYVQQPykw@public.gmane.org>
2014-05-05 17:29                                               ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-05-05 17:29                                                 ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-05-06 15:37                                             ` Grant Likely
2014-05-06 15:37                                               ` Grant Likely
2014-05-06 15:27                                       ` Grant Likely [this message]
2014-05-06 15:27                                         ` Grant Likely
     [not found]                                         ` <20140506152725.E5B90C40959-WNowdnHR2B42iJbIjFUEsiwD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org>
2014-05-06 16:32                                           ` Olof Johansson
2014-05-06 16:32                                             ` Olof Johansson
2013-11-18 15:28     ` Rob Herring
     [not found]     ` <5289A356.4060004-Zp4isUonpHBD60Wz+7aTrA@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-18 19:09       ` Olof Johansson
2013-11-18 19:09         ` Olof Johansson
     [not found]         ` <20131118190929.GA5886-O5ziIzlqnXUVNXGz7ipsyg@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-18 20:54           ` Jon Masters
2013-11-18 20:54             ` Jon Masters
     [not found]             ` <528A7EA0.9050101-Zp4isUonpHBD60Wz+7aTrA@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-18 21:50               ` Olof Johansson
2013-11-18 21:50                 ` Olof Johansson
2013-11-18 21:32           ` Grant Likely
2013-11-18 21:32             ` Grant Likely
2013-11-18 22:47             ` David Goodenough
2013-11-19 12:48               ` Arnd Bergmann
2013-11-19 12:48                 ` Arnd Bergmann
2013-11-19 13:34                 ` David Goodenough
2013-11-19 16:52                   ` Arnd Bergmann
2013-11-21 18:23               ` Grant Likely
2013-11-19 14:33     ` Grant Likely
     [not found] ` <CAOesGMjKeRb=fFJM0MabDihbEiCGM4EqW9D5i_6-RFxTnpB4Qw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-15 20:58   ` Arnd Bergmann
2013-11-15 20:58     ` Arnd Bergmann
     [not found]     ` <201311152158.32644.arnd-r2nGTMty4D4@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-15 21:44       ` Olof Johansson
2013-11-15 21:44         ` Olof Johansson
     [not found]         ` <CAOesGMhkCn2zeJj_ZZAZu_wJya-4evWEqNHpVJEpjxzWHVWY3A-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-17 17:18           ` Stefano Stabellini
2013-11-17 17:18             ` Stefano Stabellini
     [not found]             ` <alpine.DEB.2.02.1311171705130.4714-7Z66fg9igcxYtxbxJUhB2Dgeux46jI+i@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-17 18:10               ` Arnd Bergmann
2013-11-17 18:10                 ` Arnd Bergmann
     [not found]                 ` < CAOesGMiYyOcvr3Aqs-p8zc=XDwJM9NZtNxtxrTZssc6F=siZCw@mail.gmail.com>
2013-11-17 22:20                 ` Olof Johansson
2013-11-17 22:20                   ` Olof Johansson
     [not found]                   ` <CAOesGMiYyOcvr3Aqs-p8zc=XDwJM9NZtNxtxrTZssc6F=siZCw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-18  8:45                     ` Arnd Bergmann
2013-11-18  8:45                       ` Arnd Bergmann
2013-11-18 17:33                       ` Jon Masters
2013-11-18 17:38                         ` Russell King - ARM Linux
     [not found]                         ` <528A4F5F.7080104-Zp4isUonpHBD60Wz+7aTrA@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-18 19:21                           ` Olof Johansson
2013-11-18 19:21                             ` Olof Johansson
2013-11-21 18:26                         ` Grant Likely
2013-11-18 15:04                 ` Mark Brown
2013-11-18 15:04                   ` Mark Brown
2013-11-18 15:10                   ` Arnd Bergmann
2013-11-18 15:10                     ` Arnd Bergmann
     [not found]                   ` < 201311181610.33105.arnd@arndb.de>
     [not found]                     ` <201311181610.33105.arnd-r2nGTMty4D4@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-18 21:38                       ` Grant Likely
2013-11-18 21:38                         ` Grant Likely
2013-11-18 23:25   ` Leif Lindholm
2013-11-18 23:25     ` Leif Lindholm
     [not found]     ` <20131118232536.GF1567-GZEopFhza0F985/tl1ce8aaDwS/vmuI7@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-18 23:29       ` Olof Johansson
2013-11-18 23:29         ` Olof Johansson
     [not found]         ` <CAOesGMh373ZsLzoGHJm+xV3uFVjh2CBSA8SXY4PA+VxL3a5W1w-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-18 23:34           ` Leif Lindholm
2013-11-18 23:34             ` Leif Lindholm

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