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From: "Theodore Y. Ts'o" <tytso@mit.edu>
To: esr@thyrsus.com, Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	visionsofalice@redchan.it,
	linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	rms@gnu.org, bruce@perens.com, moglen@columbia.edu,
	bkuhn@sfconservancy.org, editor@lwn.net,
	NeilBrown <neil@brown.name>, Laura Abbott <labbott@redhat.com>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Olof Johansson <olof@lixom.net>, Chris Mason <clm@fb.com>,
	Mishi Choudhary <mishi@linux.com>,
	linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [Ksummit-discuss] The linux devs can rescind their license grant.
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2018 16:47:18 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20181025204718.GB25649@thunk.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20181025193901.GD26403@thyrsus.com>

On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 03:39:01PM -0400, Eric S. Raymond wrote:
> 
> Under Jacobsen vs. Katzer (535 f 3d 1373 fed cir 2008) authors of
> GPLed software have a specific right to relief (including injunctive
> relief) against misappropriation of their software. That ruling (which
> was the case of first impression on the binding status of the GPL)
> reputational damage is *specifically* recognized as grounds for relief.

I've read the legal briefs, and I'm pretty sure they don't say what
you are claiming they say.  Yes, I'm not a lawyer --- but that's OK
--- neither are you.

> The anti-CoC dissidents don't have to rescind their license grant to
> cause a great deal of trouble.

The *vast* majority of the "anti-CoC dissidents" who have been
advancing this argument, have, as near as I can tell, little or no
copyright ownership in the kernel.  They are external trolls who are
not members of the kernel development community, to the best of my
belief and knowledge.

In short; they are adding noise to the conversation, and have been
presuming that in fact people are going to be regularly and summarily
ejected from the community.  In short, they are adding FUD, probably
because they have their own agenda.

I would recommend that before people respond such provocation
messages, that they do a quick "git log" and find out whether they
have in fact contributed code to the kernel at all, and if so, how
long ago it was.

Regards,

						- Ted

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: "Theodore Y. Ts'o" <tytso@mit.edu>
To: esr@thyrsus.com, Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	visionsofalice@redchan.it,
	linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	rms@gnu.org, bruce@perens.com, moglen@columbia.edu,
	bkuhn@sfconservancy.org, editor@lwn.net,
	NeilBrown <neil@brown.name>, Laura Abbott <labbott@redhat.com>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Olof Johansson <olof@lixom.net>, Chris Mason <clm@fb.com>,
	Mishi Choudhary <mishi@linux.com>,
	linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: The linux devs can rescind their license grant.
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2018 16:47:18 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20181025204718.GB25649@thunk.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20181025193901.GD26403@thyrsus.com>

On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 03:39:01PM -0400, Eric S. Raymond wrote:
> 
> Under Jacobsen vs. Katzer (535 f 3d 1373 fed cir 2008) authors of
> GPLed software have a specific right to relief (including injunctive
> relief) against misappropriation of their software. That ruling (which
> was the case of first impression on the binding status of the GPL)
> reputational damage is *specifically* recognized as grounds for relief.

I've read the legal briefs, and I'm pretty sure they don't say what
you are claiming they say.  Yes, I'm not a lawyer --- but that's OK
--- neither are you.

> The anti-CoC dissidents don't have to rescind their license grant to
> cause a great deal of trouble.

The *vast* majority of the "anti-CoC dissidents" who have been
advancing this argument, have, as near as I can tell, little or no
copyright ownership in the kernel.  They are external trolls who are
not members of the kernel development community, to the best of my
belief and knowledge.

In short; they are adding noise to the conversation, and have been
presuming that in fact people are going to be regularly and summarily
ejected from the community.  In short, they are adding FUD, probably
because they have their own agenda.

I would recommend that before people respond such provocation
messages, that they do a quick "git log" and find out whether they
have in fact contributed code to the kernel at all, and if so, how
long ago it was.

Regards,

						- Ted

  reply	other threads:[~2018-10-25 20:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 177+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-10-20 13:49 [Ksummit-discuss] [PATCH 0/7] Code of Conduct: Fix some wording, and add an interpretation document Greg Kroah-Hartman
2018-10-20 13:49 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2018-10-20 13:49 ` [Ksummit-discuss] [PATCH 1/7] Code of conduct: Fix wording around maintainers enforcing the code of conduct Greg Kroah-Hartman
2018-10-20 13:49   ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2018-10-20 13:50 ` [Ksummit-discuss] [PATCH 2/7] Code of Conduct Interpretation: Add document explaining how the Code of Conduct is to be interpreted Greg Kroah-Hartman
2018-10-20 13:50   ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2018-10-20 13:50 ` [Ksummit-discuss] [PATCH 3/7] Code of Conduct Interpretation: Properly reference the TAB correctly Greg Kroah-Hartman
2018-10-20 13:50   ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2018-10-20 13:50 ` [Ksummit-discuss] [PATCH 4/7] Code of Conduct: Provide links between the two documents Greg Kroah-Hartman
2018-10-20 13:50   ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2018-10-20 13:50 ` [Ksummit-discuss] [PATCH 5/7] Code of Conduct Interpretation: Put in the proper URL for the committee Greg Kroah-Hartman
2018-10-20 13:50   ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2018-10-20 19:01   ` [Ksummit-discuss] " Geert Uytterhoeven
2018-10-20 19:01     ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2018-10-21  7:18     ` [Ksummit-discuss] " Greg KH
2018-10-21  7:18       ` Greg KH
2018-10-20 13:51 ` [Ksummit-discuss] [PATCH 6/7] Code of Conduct: Change the contact email address Greg Kroah-Hartman
2018-10-20 13:51   ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2018-10-20 18:28   ` [Ksummit-discuss] " Alan Cox
2018-10-20 18:28     ` Alan Cox
2018-10-20 18:45     ` [Ksummit-discuss] " Trond Myklebust
2018-10-20 18:45       ` Trond Myklebust
2018-10-20 19:14       ` jonsmirl
2018-10-20 19:14         ` jonsmirl
2018-10-21  8:27         ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-10-21  8:27           ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-10-21  9:23           ` Greg KH
2018-10-21  9:23             ` Greg KH
2018-10-20 19:24     ` Tim.Bird
2018-10-20 19:24       ` Tim.Bird
2018-10-20 20:07       ` Trond Myklebust
2018-10-20 20:07         ` Trond Myklebust
2018-10-21  0:13       ` Alan Cox
2018-10-21  0:13         ` Alan Cox
2018-10-21  6:19         ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-10-21  6:19           ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-10-20 20:13     ` James Bottomley
2018-10-20 20:13       ` James Bottomley
2018-10-20 13:51 ` [Ksummit-discuss] [PATCH 7/7] MAINTAINERS: Add an entry for the code of conduct Greg Kroah-Hartman
2018-10-20 13:51   ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2018-10-21 21:20 ` [Ksummit-discuss] Call to Action Re: [PATCH 0/7] Code of Conduct: Fix some wording, and add an interpretation document NeilBrown
2018-10-21 21:20   ` NeilBrown
2018-10-21 22:26   ` [Ksummit-discuss] " Josh Triplett
2018-10-21 22:26     ` Josh Triplett
2018-10-21 23:37     ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-10-21 23:37       ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-10-23  1:44       ` NeilBrown
2018-10-22 20:26     ` NeilBrown
2018-10-22 20:26       ` NeilBrown
2018-10-22 22:46       ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-10-22 22:46         ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-10-23  1:31         ` NeilBrown
2018-10-23  1:31           ` NeilBrown
2018-10-23  6:26         ` Dan Carpenter
2018-10-23  6:40           ` Al Viro
2018-10-23  6:40             ` Al Viro
2018-10-23  6:46             ` Dan Carpenter
2018-10-23  6:46               ` Dan Carpenter
2018-10-23  3:31       ` Al Viro
2018-10-23  3:31         ` Al Viro
2018-10-23  4:25         ` NeilBrown
2018-10-23  4:25           ` NeilBrown
2018-10-23  4:52           ` Al Viro
2018-10-23  4:52             ` Al Viro
2018-10-23  5:28             ` NeilBrown
2018-10-23  5:28               ` NeilBrown
2018-10-23  6:00               ` Al Viro
2018-10-23  6:00                 ` Al Viro
2018-10-23 20:45                 ` NeilBrown
2018-10-23 20:45                   ` NeilBrown
2018-10-23  8:11           ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-10-23  8:11             ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-10-23 14:22             ` Rainer Fiebig
2018-10-23 14:22               ` Rainer Fiebig
2018-10-23 15:43               ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-10-23 15:43                 ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-10-23 17:51                 ` Rainer Fiebig
2018-10-23 21:14             ` NeilBrown
2018-10-23 21:14               ` NeilBrown
2018-10-24 12:16       ` Josh Triplett
2018-10-24 12:16         ` Josh Triplett
2018-10-25 21:14         ` NeilBrown
2018-10-25 21:14           ` NeilBrown
2018-10-27  1:10           ` Josh Triplett
2018-10-27  1:10             ` Josh Triplett
2018-10-28 21:48             ` NeilBrown
2018-10-28 21:48               ` NeilBrown
2018-11-01 16:45             ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-11-01 16:45               ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-11-01 21:11               ` Josh Triplett
2018-11-01 21:11                 ` Josh Triplett
2018-11-02 13:13                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-11-02 13:13                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-11-01 21:50               ` NeilBrown
2018-11-02 13:33                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-11-02 13:33                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-11-03  8:36                   ` NeilBrown
2018-11-03  8:36                     ` NeilBrown
2018-11-03 17:37                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-11-03 17:37                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-11-03 21:06                       ` NeilBrown
2018-11-03 21:06                         ` NeilBrown
2018-11-03 22:23                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-11-03 22:23                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-11-02 13:52                 ` James Bottomley
2018-11-03  9:19                   ` Eric S. Raymond
2018-11-04 10:35         ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2018-11-04 10:35           ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2018-10-21 22:33   ` Joe Perches
2018-10-21 22:33     ` Joe Perches
2018-10-21 22:37     ` Randy Dunlap
2018-10-21 22:37       ` Randy Dunlap
2018-10-22  9:09   ` Rainer Fiebig
2018-10-22  9:09     ` Rainer Fiebig
2018-10-22 11:02   ` [Ksummit-discuss] " James Bottomley
2018-10-22 11:02     ` James Bottomley
2018-10-24  8:49   ` Laura Abbott
2018-10-24  8:49     ` Laura Abbott
2018-10-25  7:56     ` The linux devs can rescind their license grant visionsofalice
2018-10-25  8:19       ` [Ksummit-discuss] " Greg Kroah-Hartman
2018-10-25  8:19         ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2018-10-25 19:39         ` Eric S. Raymond
2018-10-25 20:47           ` Theodore Y. Ts'o [this message]
2018-10-25 20:47             ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-10-25 21:41             ` Eric S. Raymond
2018-10-25 22:12               ` [Ksummit-discuss] " NeilBrown
2018-10-25 22:12                 ` NeilBrown
2018-10-25 22:38                 ` Eric S. Raymond
2018-10-25 22:52                   ` [Ksummit-discuss] " NeilBrown
2018-10-25 22:52                     ` NeilBrown
2018-11-04 10:47                 ` [Ksummit-discuss] " Geert Uytterhoeven
2018-11-04 10:47                   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2018-10-25 23:06               ` Al Viro
2018-10-25 23:06                 ` Al Viro
2018-10-26  2:28                 ` Eric S. Raymond
2018-10-26  5:49                   ` [Ksummit-discuss] " Al Viro
2018-10-26  5:49                     ` Al Viro
2018-10-27  6:52                 ` visionsofalice
2018-10-27  7:32                   ` [Ksummit-discuss] " Al Viro
2018-10-27  7:32                     ` Al Viro
2018-10-27 16:18                     ` [Ksummit-discuss] " Tim.Bird
2018-10-27 16:18                       ` Tim.Bird
2018-10-27 22:09                       ` Jiri Kosina
2018-10-27 22:09                         ` Jiri Kosina
     [not found]                         ` <CAK2MWOtNUTjWy5pTcGco5DNurqNCc=9CfDJ-Ko-K+6HDC55ikg@mail.gmail.com>
2018-10-27 23:07                           ` Eric S. Raymond
2018-10-27 23:40                           ` Al Viro
2018-10-27 23:40                             ` Al Viro
2018-10-28 21:13                         ` NeilBrown
2018-10-28 21:13                           ` NeilBrown
2018-10-25 23:32             ` Iván Chavero
2018-10-26 13:15           ` Eben Moglen
2018-10-26 15:50             ` Eric S. Raymond
2018-10-26 15:53               ` Eben Moglen
2018-10-26 17:32             ` visionsofalice
2018-10-26 18:31               ` Eben Moglen
2018-10-27  7:12                 ` visionsofalice
2018-12-18 18:53                 ` The linux devs can rescind their license grant. - Analysis published? visionsofalice
2018-10-26 10:34         ` The linux devs can rescind their license grant visionsofalice
2018-10-29 22:31         ` [Ksummit-discuss] " Bradley M. Kuhn
2018-10-29 22:31           ` Bradley M. Kuhn
2018-12-18 19:17           ` visionsofalice
2018-10-27  5:04       ` The linux devs can rescind their license grant. - Additional restrictive terms visionsofalice
2018-12-18 20:55       ` The CoC regime is a License violation " visionsofalice
2018-12-19  1:17       ` visionsofalice
2018-12-23 16:05       ` visionsofalice
2018-10-25 22:02     ` [Ksummit-discuss] Call to Action Re: [PATCH 0/7] Code of Conduct: Fix some wording, and add an interpretation document NeilBrown
2018-10-25 22:02       ` NeilBrown
2018-10-25  8:06   ` [Ksummit-discuss] " Pavel Machek
2018-10-25  8:06     ` Pavel Machek
2018-10-25 11:20   ` Rainer Fiebig
2018-10-25 22:18     ` [Ksummit-discuss] " NeilBrown
2018-10-25 22:18       ` NeilBrown
2018-10-26  8:33       ` Rainer Fiebig
2018-10-26 22:40         ` [Ksummit-discuss] " NeilBrown
2018-10-26 22:40           ` NeilBrown
2018-10-27 11:49           ` Rainer Fiebig
2018-10-21 23:36 ` Eric S. Raymond

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