OE Booth during fosdem

OE Booth during fosdem

[gerwin van der kruis]

Hi All, 

After a discussion on irc , it was decided that I will take the wheel
for the booth on fosdem. 


What would you like to see at the oe booth ?

Which merchandise would you buy and how much do would you spent on it ?

If you work at a company that has presentation materials like
presentation wall or something that is easy to bring and that has not
the company name all over let me know 

Do you know any sponsors who can sponsor t-shirts or our flyers ?

Would you like to man our booth and at which time or date are you
available ?

Is it a good idea to make a hardware donation box where companies donate
hardware that we port to openembedded ?

Kind Regards, 

Gerwin

Re: OE Booth during fosdem

[Marcin Juszkiewicz]

Dnia piątek, 9 lutego 2007, gerwin van der kruis napisał:

> After a discussion on irc , it was decided that I will take the wheel
> for the booth on fosdem.

> Would you like to man our booth and at which time or date are you
> available ?

I will be at booth. My current fosdem plans:

Saturday:

16:00 - Embedded: Analysing Embedded Memory Use
17:00 - Embedded: OpenMoko

Sunday:

10:00 - OpenSUSE: Suspend to disk and to RAM
11:00 - OpenSUSE: OpenSync
12:00 - Embedded: Open Source Embedded Development with Qtopia
13:00 - GPG/PGP Key Signing session.

Other then then I will be free and plan to be at booth.

> Is it a good idea to make a hardware donation box where companies
> donate hardware that we port to openembedded ?

idea like idea - we need to consider how to server such requests

-- 
JID: hrw-jabber.org
OpenEmbedded developer/consultant

         Shell to DOS... Come in DOS, do you copy? Shell to DOS...

Re: OE Booth during fosdem

[Michael 'Mickey' Lauer]

Could anyone skilled in Wiki markup add a table for the booth
attendance? Something like

---------Saturday|Sunday|
- 10-12
- 12-14
- 14-16
- 16-18

and then we can insert on which slots we can stand. We should aim
for 2, better 3 persons at any time.

Thanks,

:M:
-- 
Michael 'Mickey' Lauer | IT-Freelancer | http://www.vanille-media.de

Re: OE Booth during fosdem

[Tim Bird]

Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote:
> Could anyone skilled in Wiki markup add a table for the booth
> attendance? Something like
> 
> ---------Saturday|Sunday|
> - 10-12
> - 12-14
> - 14-16
> - 16-18
> 
> and then we can insert on which slots we can stand. We should aim
> for 2, better 3 persons at any time.

What page do you want this on?
 -- Tim

=============================
Tim Bird
Architecture Group Chair, CE Linux Forum
Senior Staff Engineer, Sony Electronics
=============================

Re: OE Booth during fosdem

[Michael 'Mickey' Lauer]

Tim Bird wrote:
> Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote:
>> Could anyone skilled in Wiki markup add a table for the booth
>> attendance? Something like
>> 
>> ---------Saturday|Sunday|
>> - 10-12
>> - 12-14
>> - 14-16
>> - 16-18
>> 
>> and then we can insert on which slots we can stand. We should aim
>> for 2, better 3 persons at any time.

> What page do you want this on?

http://www.openembedded.org/fosdem2007 would be it.

Thanks a lot!

Mickey.

Re: OE Booth during fosdem

[Tim Bird]

Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote:
> Tim Bird wrote:
>> Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote:
>>> Could anyone skilled in Wiki markup add a table for the booth
>>> attendance? 

> http://www.openembedded.org/fosdem2007 would be it.

It took me a while to figure out which wiki syntax to use,
but a first pass of it is on the page now.  It should
be obvious how to add names to the table when editing the
page.

Regards,
 -- Tim

=============================
Tim Bird
Architecture Group Chair, CE Linux Forum
Senior Staff Engineer, Sony Electronics
=============================

Re: OE Booth during fosdem

[Rolf Leggewie]

Tim Bird wrote:

>>>> Could anyone skilled in Wiki markup add a table for the booth
>>>> attendance? 

> It took me a while to figure out which wiki syntax to use,
> but a first pass of it is on the page now.

Changed it so that everything is in a single table.

Re: OE Booth during fosdem

[Philippe De Swert]

Hi,

On Wed, 2007-02-14 at 13:11 +0100, Marcin Juszkiewicz wrote:

> > Is it a good idea to make a hardware donation box where companies
> > donate hardware that we port to openembedded ?
> 
> idea like idea - we need to consider how to server such requests

Do think of promoting this beforehand. I don't think there will be many
people going: "Oh I have this ${DEVICE} in my bag somewhere with all
cables and power supply. Please have it." People usually don't carry
surplus HW with them. A little money donation box might be a good idea
as well. It is easier to organize and people usually carry money to
FOSDEM (you just need to convince them to give it to you instead of
O'Reilly :-)

Cheers,

Philippe

PS: /me hopes to have some time to drop by and say hello

Re: OE Booth during fosdem

[gerwin van der kruis]

Op woensdag 14-02-2007 om 23:40 uur [tijdzone +0200], schreef Philippe
De Swert:
> Hi,
> 
> On Wed, 2007-02-14 at 13:11 +0100, Marcin Juszkiewicz wrote:
> 
> > > Is it a good idea to make a hardware donation box where companies
> > > donate hardware that we port to openembedded ?
> > 
> > idea like idea - we need to consider how to server such requests
> 
> Do think of promoting this beforehand. I don't think there will be many
> people going: "Oh I have this ${DEVICE} in my bag somewhere with all
> cables and power supply. Please have it." People usually don't carry
> surplus HW with them. A little money donation box might be a good idea
> as well. It is easier to organize and people usually carry money to
> FOSDEM (you just need to convince them to give it to you instead of
> O'Reilly :-)
> 
Maybe an idea to promote it on linuxdevices.com ?

Do we have a fund where we can store the funds we get ?

I was thinking to set up like a hardware distribution list 

Regards, 

Gerwin

Re: OE Booth during fosdem

[Tim Bird]

gerwin van der kruis wrote:
>>>> Is it a good idea to make a hardware donation box where companies
>>>> donate hardware that we port to openembedded ?
>>> idea like idea - we need to consider how to server such requests
>> Do think of promoting this beforehand. I don't think there will be many
>> people going: "Oh I have this ${DEVICE} in my bag somewhere with all
>> cables and power supply. Please have it." People usually don't carry
>> surplus HW with them. A little money donation box might be a good idea
>> as well. It is easier to organize and people usually carry money to
>> FOSDEM (you just need to convince them to give it to you instead of
>> O'Reilly :-)
>>
> Maybe an idea to promote it on linuxdevices.com ?
> 
> Do we have a fund where we can store the funds we get ?
> 
> I was thinking to set up like a hardware distribution list 

FYI - I'm not offering anything specific at the moment,
but CELF has a fund for making hardware donations for
interesting OSS projects.  If there's some piece of hardware
that someone thinks would really advance the goals of
the OE project, please let me know, and I can have CELF
consider donating it.
 -- Tim

=============================
Tim Bird
Architecture Group Chair, CE Linux Forum
Senior Staff Engineer, Sony Electronics
=============================

Re: OE Booth during fosdem

[Jim Thompson]

On Feb 14, 2007, at 12:22 PM, Tim Bird wrote:

> gerwin van der kruis wrote:
>>>>> Is it a good idea to make a hardware donation box where companies
>>>>> donate hardware that we port to openembedded ?
>>>> idea like idea - we need to consider how to server such requests
>>> Do think of promoting this beforehand. I don't think there will  
>>> be many
>>> people going: "Oh I have this ${DEVICE} in my bag somewhere with all
>>> cables and power supply. Please have it." People usually don't carry
>>> surplus HW with them. A little money donation box might be a good  
>>> idea
>>> as well. It is easier to organize and people usually carry money to
>>> FOSDEM (you just need to convince them to give it to you instead of
>>> O'Reilly :-)
>>>
>> Maybe an idea to promote it on linuxdevices.com ?
>>
>> Do we have a fund where we can store the funds we get ?
>>
>> I was thinking to set up like a hardware distribution list
>
> FYI - I'm not offering anything specific at the moment,
> but CELF has a fund for making hardware donations for
> interesting OSS projects.  If there's some piece of hardware
> that someone thinks would really advance the goals of
> the OE project, please let me know, and I can have CELF
> consider donating it.

Ya know, I'd consider donating hardware (see www.netgate.com for what  
we have) and/or cash if someone would put up a
"build the bootable ISO so you can boot-n-install an OE image on a   
HD on ye-olde-random PeeCee" set of patches, or even a recipe for same

Or, equivalently, an image (complete with boot sector) that one could  
DD onto a CF card or actual IDE drive that would boot a given root  
image on ye-olde-PeeCee.

OpenEmbedded would go a lot faster if people could experiment on  
garden-variety PCs rather than go through the "fun" of getting it up- 
n-running on more esoteric hardware.

Jim

Re: OE Booth during fosdem

[Koen Kooi]

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Jim Thompson schreef:
> On Feb 14, 2007, at 12:22 PM, Tim Bird wrote:
> 
>> gerwin van der kruis wrote:
>>>>>> Is it a good idea to make a hardware donation box where companies
>>>>>> donate hardware that we port to openembedded ?
>>>>> idea like idea - we need to consider how to server such requests
>>>> Do think of promoting this beforehand. I don't think there will  
>>>> be many
>>>> people going: "Oh I have this ${DEVICE} in my bag somewhere with all
>>>> cables and power supply. Please have it." People usually don't carry
>>>> surplus HW with them. A little money donation box might be a good  
>>>> idea
>>>> as well. It is easier to organize and people usually carry money to
>>>> FOSDEM (you just need to convince them to give it to you instead of
>>>> O'Reilly :-)
>>>>
>>> Maybe an idea to promote it on linuxdevices.com ?
>>>
>>> Do we have a fund where we can store the funds we get ?
>>>
>>> I was thinking to set up like a hardware distribution list
>> FYI - I'm not offering anything specific at the moment,
>> but CELF has a fund for making hardware donations for
>> interesting OSS projects.  If there's some piece of hardware
>> that someone thinks would really advance the goals of
>> the OE project, please let me know, and I can have CELF
>> consider donating it.
> 
> Ya know, I'd consider donating hardware (see www.netgate.com for what  
> we have) and/or cash if someone would put up a
> "build the bootable ISO so you can boot-n-install an OE image on a   
> HD on ye-olde-random PeeCee" set of patches, or even a recipe for same
> 
> Or, equivalently, an image (complete with boot sector) that one could  
> DD onto a CF card or actual IDE drive that would boot a given root  
> image on ye-olde-PeeCee.
> 
> OpenEmbedded would go a lot faster if people could experiment on  
> garden-variety PCs rather than go through the "fun" of getting it up- 
> n-running on more esoteric hardware.

Marcin, Jamie, Phil, Gerwin and I are using OE to build for vairous x86 machines
(MACHINE={guinness,epia,x86). For some graphic pleasure:
http://dominion.kabel.utwente.nl/koen/cms/madness

regards,

Koen


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Re: OE Booth during fosdem

[Jim Thompson]

On Feb 14, 2007, at 12:37 PM, Koen Kooi wrote:

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> Jim Thompson schreef:

>> Ya know, I'd consider donating hardware (see www.netgate.com for what
>> we have) and/or cash if someone would put up a
>> "build the bootable ISO so you can boot-n-install an OE image on a
>> HD on ye-olde-random PeeCee" set of patches, or even a recipe for  
>> same
>>
>> Or, equivalently, an image (complete with boot sector) that one could
>> DD onto a CF card or actual IDE drive that would boot a given root
>> image on ye-olde-PeeCee.
>>
>> OpenEmbedded would go a lot faster if people could experiment on
>> garden-variety PCs rather than go through the "fun" of getting it up-
>> n-running on more esoteric hardware.
>
> Marcin, Jamie, Phil, Gerwin and I are using OE to build for vairous  
> x86 machines
> (MACHINE={guinness,epia,x86). For some graphic pleasure:
> http://dominion.kabel.utwente.nl/koen/cms/madness

I know about the guinness and wrap MACHINEs.

What I'm looking for is a short-cut to getting a distro *onto* the disk.

Yes, I'm sure most people could "figure it out" with some time and  
effort, but what I want is to make it easier.

If OE would build an x86 disk image that could be 'dd'-ed to a CF  
card, then building OE images for Soekris or WRAP boards would be EZ.

If OE would build an x86 disk image that could be 'dd'-ed to an IDE  
drive (likely the same as above), then building OE images for  
"ordinary PCs" would be trivial.

If OE would build a bootable ISO image that could partition and label  
an attached IDE drive, then install the image *onto* that drive, ....  
well, I could see all *sorts* of uses for that.

And I'm willing to throw cash, hardware and time at this.

Yes, we sell WRAP boards, but I'm not looking to get a bunch-o-free  
development out of the process.  (We sell a Gateworks ixp42x board  
too, just to be perfectly honest.)

Years ago, I ran (and owned) 'musenki' (google for it or look here:  
http://he-colo.netgate.com/~jim/Musenki/.  We had build a  set of  
Motorola 8245/8241 boards, and I'd made linux run on them.  I  
remember spending a horrific amount of time with a (very) early  
version of "buildroot".  OE is so much more sophisticated that I'm a  
bit taken aback.

The OE learning curve is still quite steep, but I think it would be  
less steep with a) a bit more documentation and b) an EZ way to start  
creating "little distros" that
run on PCs using it.

Jim

Re: OE Booth during fosdem

[gerwin van der kruis]

Op woensdag 14-02-2007 om 12:53 uur [tijdzone -1000], schreef Jim
Thompson:
 
> And I'm willing to throw cash, hardware and time at this.
> 
> Yes, we sell WRAP boards, but I'm not looking to get a bunch-o-free  
> development out of the process.  (We sell a Gateworks ixp42x board  
> too, just to be perfectly honest.)
> 
> Years ago, I ran (and owned) 'musenki' (google for it or look here:  
> http://he-colo.netgate.com/~jim/Musenki/.  We had build a  set of  
> Motorola 8245/8241 boards, and I'd made linux run on them.  I  
> remember spending a horrific amount of time with a (very) early  
> version of "buildroot".  OE is so much more sophisticated that I'm a  
> bit taken aback.
> 
> The OE learning curve is still quite steep, but I think it would be  
> less steep with a) a bit more documentation and b) an EZ way to start  
> creating "little distros" that
> run on PCs using it.

I remember we had this discussion before , the problem is the
bootloader, for example grub requires some extra handlings to get 
installed probarly. 

I also experimented a bit with disk on modules which were much 
faster than the compact flash and much cheaper as well. 

I think if you write a script which automate the installation of for
example grub and than copies automatically the files over to cf you are
finished , I did it once long time ago for an embedded voip pabx. 

As Koen said I am working on x86 projects like wifi-radio (with a
mini-itx board and some small additions) a set top box and a thin
client.So we are working on it !!

I will have a look if I still can find the software I made that time 
for putting the image directly on the flash (I wrote it to produce some
goods)

Regards, 

Gerwin 
 

Re: OE Booth during fosdem

[Jim Thompson]

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On Feb 14, 2007, at 1:17 PM, gerwin van der kruis wrote:

> Op woensdag 14-02-2007 om 12:53 uur [tijdzone -1000], schreef Jim
> Thompson:
>
>> And I'm willing to throw cash, hardware and time at this.
>>
>> Yes, we sell WRAP boards, but I'm not looking to get a bunch-o-free
>> development out of the process.  (We sell a Gateworks ixp42x board
>> too, just to be perfectly honest.)
>>
>> Years ago, I ran (and owned) 'musenki' (google for it or look here:
>> http://he-colo.netgate.com/~jim/Musenki/.  We had build a  set of
>> Motorola 8245/8241 boards, and I'd made linux run on them.  I
>> remember spending a horrific amount of time with a (very) early
>> version of "buildroot".  OE is so much more sophisticated that I'm a
>> bit taken aback.
>>
>> The OE learning curve is still quite steep, but I think it would be
>> less steep with a) a bit more documentation and b) an EZ way to start
>> creating "little distros" that
>> run on PCs using it.
>
> I remember we had this discussion before , the problem is the
> bootloader, for example grub requires some extra handlings to get
> installed probarly.

There appears to be a decent start on "here are the set of steps"  
here: http://kbarr.net/bochs

(I've only recently discovered this.)

> I also experimented a bit with disk on modules which were much
> faster than the compact flash and much cheaper as well.

Its hard to beat $9 (what we pay for 128MB CF), but if you know of a  
source, I'm all ears.

> I think if you write a script which automate the installation of for
> example grub and than copies automatically the files over to cf you  
> are
> finished , I did it once long time ago for an embedded voip pabx.

I once made 'lilo' work with a buildroot-based system.  The makefile  
is attached.

I never could get 'grub' to do the same thing, though I prefer grub  
to lilo.

> As Koen said I am working on x86 projects like wifi-radio (with a
> mini-itx board and some small additions) a set top box and a thin
> client.So we are working on it !!

Is the wifi-radio tree available anywhere?

> I will have a look if I still can find the software I made that time
> for putting the image directly on the flash (I wrote it to produce  
> some
> goods)

thanks

Jim


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	@echo '********************************************************'
	@echo '********************************************************'
	@echo '********************************************************'
	@echo '** Time to make the final compact flash image.        **'
	@echo '** For this you need to be "root". You will also need **'
	@echo '** a kernel with the loopback device enabled and ext2 **'
	@echo '** filesystem support.  Enter the root password below **'
	@echo '** if asked,  or an invalid password to abort.        **'
	@echo '********************************************************'
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	su root -c "$(MAKE) cfimage-real" < /dev/tty > /dev/tty 2>&1

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CONFIG     = 4960

# Make a lilo bootable compact flash image based on paramters passed in
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				rm -rf $(CFDIR)/pre.mnt $(CFDIR)/post.mnt" 0; 
	#create/zero out post.img image
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			count=`expr $(CYLS) \\* $(HEADS) \\* $(SECTORS) - 1 - $(CONFIG)`
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	/sbin/mke2fs -F -m0 -v $(CFDIR)/post.img
	/sbin/tune2fs -i 0 -j $(CFDIR)/post.img
	#remove existing mounts
	rm -rf $(CFDIR)/pre.mnt $(CFDIR)/post.mnt
	#remake mount points
	mkdir $(CFDIR)/pre.mnt $(CFDIR)/post.mnt
	cp $(IMAGE).ext2.gz $(CFDIR)/
	gunzip -c $(CFDIR)/$(IMAGE_NAME).ext2.gz > $(CFDIR)/pre.img
	mount -t ext2 -o loop $(CFDIR)/pre.img $(CFDIR)/pre.mnt
	mount -t ext2 -o loop $(CFDIR)/post.img $(CFDIR)/post.mnt
	(cd $(CFDIR)/pre.mnt; tar cf - .) | (cd $(CFDIR)/post.mnt; tar xf -)
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	cp -a $(LINUX_KERNEL) $(CFDIR)/post.mnt/boot/vmlinuz
	cp -a $(SOURCE_DIR)/$(SYSTEM_NAME)/lilo.conf $(CFDIR)/post.mnt/etc/lilo.conf
	echo "#Device Bios    Sectors Heads   Cyls    Start" > $(CFDIR)/disktab
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	chmod -R go-w $(CFDIR)/post.mnt
	chgrp -hR root $(CFDIR)/post.mnt
	chown -hR root $(CFDIR)/post.mnt
	cp $(SOURCE_DIR)/$(SYSTEM_NAME)/lilo-build.conf $(CFDIR)
	chown -hR root $(CFDIR)/lilo-build.conf
	( cd $(CFDIR); \
	$(STAGING_DIR)/bin/lilo -s /dev/null -C $(CFDIR)/lilo-build.conf -f $(CFDIR)/disktab; \
	)
	dd if=/dev/zero of=$(CFDIR)/conf.img bs=512 count=`expr $(CONFIG)`
	/sbin/mke2fs -F -m0 -v $(CFDIR)/conf.img
	/sbin/tune2fs -i 0 -j $(CFDIR)/conf.img
	# rm -rf $(CFDIR)/conf.mnt
	# mkdir $(CFDIR)/conf.mnt
	# mount -t ext3 -o loop $(CFDIR)/conf.img $(CFDIR)/conf.mnt
	# XXX stuff /conf here

	rm -f $(CFDIR)/disktab
	cat $(CFDIR)/mbr.img $(CFDIR)/post.img $(CFDIR)/conf.img | gzip -9 > $(IMG)
	ls -l $(CFDIR)/mbr.img $(CFDIR)/post.img $(CFDIR)/conf.img $(IMG)
	trap "cd $(CFDIR); umount $(CFDIR)/pre.mnt; umount $(CFDIR)/post.mnt; $(CFDIR)/conf.mnt sleep 1; \
				rm -rf $(CFDIR)/pre.mnt $(CFDIR)/post.mnt $(CFDIR)/conf.mnt" 0; 
	#$(ROOTDIR)/tools/cksum -b -o 2 $(IMG) >> $(IMG)

#############################################################################
# make images for various sizes of compact flash,  check your geometry,
# you may need to add your own here,  remove any your don't want built from
# the cfimage target
extimage-64MB:
	$(MAKE) extimage HEADS=2 SECTORS=62 CYLS=1009 IMG=$(IMAGE_DIR)/$(SYSTEM_NAME)-cf-64MB.img.gz

extimage-128MB:
	$(MAKE) extimage HEADS=2 SECTORS=62 CYLS=2018 IMG=$(IMAGE_DIR)/$(SYSTEM_NAME)-cf-128MB.img.gz

#stuff you have to be root for :(
cfimage-real: extimage-64MB extimage-128MB

#stuff we can do while NOT root
cfimage: cfimage-setup

cfimage-clean:
	#rm -f pre.img post.img lilo
	rm -f $(IMAGE_DIR)/$(SYSTEM_NAME)-cf-*.img.gz

cfimage-dirclean:
	rm -rf $(GENEXT2_DIR)

.PHONY: cfimage extimage-64MB extimage-128MB
#############################################################################

Re: OE Booth during fosdem

[Michael 'Mickey' Lauer]

Tim, thanks for the table.

I just added myself to some slots,
guys, please do the same :)

Regards,

:M:
-- 
Michael 'Mickey' Lauer | IT-Freelancer | http://www.vanille-media.de

Re: OE Booth during fosdem

[gerwin van der kruis]

> FYI - I'm not offering anything specific at the moment,
> but CELF has a fund for making hardware donations for
> interesting OSS projects.  If there's some piece of hardware
> that someone thinks would really advance the goals of
> the OE project, please let me know, and I can have CELF
> consider donating it.
>  -- Tim
> 
> =============================
> Tim Bird
> Architecture Group Chair, CE Linux Forum
> Senior Staff Engineer, Sony Electronics
> =============================

Thanks for your offer !. I think it is good to be in contact. 

Because being in contact with celf can enable us as well to be
in touch with a lot of supliers. Is it maybe an idea to extend
this contact ?

We also could use a lot of the input from the industry to improve oe. 

Regards, 

Gerwin