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From: Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>
To: Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>
Cc: linux-nvdimm <linux-nvdimm@lists.01.org>,
	Boaz Harrosh <boaz@plexistor.com>, Neil Brown <neilb@suse.de>,
	Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>,
	"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>,
	"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rafael.j.wysocki@intel.com>,
	Robert Moore <robert.moore@intel.com>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>,
	Linux ACPI <linux-acpi@vger.kernel.org>,
	Jeff Moyer <jmoyer@redhat.com>,
	Nicholas Moulin <nicholas.w.moulin@linux.intel.com>,
	Matthew Wilcox <willy@linux.intel.com>,
	Ross Zwisler <ross.zwisler@linux.intel.com>,
	Vishal Verma <vishal.l.verma@linux.intel.com>,
	Jens Axboe <axboe@fb.com>, Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Greg KH <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 00/20] libnd: non-volatile memory device support
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2015 14:06:15 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CALCETrVJafaxJwZi1C8cAsQs51nvGFywAkNTNbc=BjE+bjBgnQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAPcyv4hMfTD9eEVD9NSG3DDT-_5d+BZHL=RHNMR8kh+iBd6FuQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 1:59 PM, Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 1:52 PM, Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net> wrote:
>> On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 11:24 AM, Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com> wrote:
>>> Changes since v1 [1]: Incorporates feedback received prior to April 24.
>>>
>>> 1/ Ingo said [2]:
>>>
>>>        "So why on earth is this whole concept and the naming itself
>>>        ('drivers/block/nd/' stands for 'NFIT Defined', apparently)
>>>        revolving around a specific 'firmware' mindset and revolving
>>>        around specific, weirdly named, overly complicated looking
>>>        firmware interfaces that come with their own new weird
>>>        glossary??"
>>>
>>>    Indeed, we of course consulted the NFIT specification to determine
>>>    the shape of the sub-system, but then let its terms and data
>>>    structures permeate too deep into the implementation.  That is fixed
>>>    now with all NFIT specifics factored out into acpi.c.  The NFIT is no
>>>    longer required reading to review libnd.  Only three concepts are
>>>    needed:
>>>
>>>       i/ PMEM - contiguous memory range where cpu stores are
>>>          persistent once they are flushed through the memory
>>>          controller.
>>>
>>>      ii/ BLK - mmio apertures (sliding windows) that can be
>>>          programmed to access an aperture's-worth of persistent
>>>          media at a time.
>>>
>>>     iii/ DPA - "dimm-physical-address", address space local to a
>>>          dimm.  A dimm may provide both PMEM-mode and BLK-mode
>>>          access to a range of DPA.  libnd manages allocation of DPA
>>>          to either PMEM or BLK-namespaces to resolve this aliasing.
>>
>> Mostly for my understanding: is there a name for "address relative to
>> the address lines on the DIMM"?  That is, a DIMM that exposes 8 GB of
>> apparent physical memory, possibly interleaved, broken up, or weirdly
>> remapped by the memory controller, would still have addresses between
>> 0 and 8 GB.  Some of those might be PMEM windows, some might be MMIO,
>> some might be BLK apertures, etc.
>>
>> IIUC "DPA" refers to actual addressable storage, not this type of address?
>
> No, DPA is exactly as you describe above.  You can't directly access
> it except through a PMEM mapping (possibly interleaved with DPA from
> other DIMMs) or a BLK aperture (mmio window into DPA).

So the thing I'm describing has no name, then?  Oh, well.

--Andy

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From: Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>
To: Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>
Cc: linux-nvdimm <linux-nvdimm@ml01.01.org>,
	Boaz Harrosh <boaz@plexistor.com>, Neil Brown <neilb@suse.de>,
	Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>,
	"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>,
	"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rafael.j.wysocki@intel.com>,
	Robert Moore <robert.moore@intel.com>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>,
	Linux ACPI <linux-acpi@vger.kernel.org>,
	Jeff Moyer <jmoyer@redhat.com>,
	Nicholas Moulin <nicholas.w.moulin@linux.intel.com>,
	Matthew Wilcox <willy@linux.intel.com>,
	Ross Zwisler <ross.zwisler@linux.intel.com>,
	Vishal Verma <vishal.l.verma@linux.intel.com>,
	Jens Axboe <axboe@fb.com>, Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Greg KH <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 00/20] libnd: non-volatile memory device support
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2015 14:06:15 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CALCETrVJafaxJwZi1C8cAsQs51nvGFywAkNTNbc=BjE+bjBgnQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAPcyv4hMfTD9eEVD9NSG3DDT-_5d+BZHL=RHNMR8kh+iBd6FuQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 1:59 PM, Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 1:52 PM, Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net> wrote:
>> On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 11:24 AM, Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com> wrote:
>>> Changes since v1 [1]: Incorporates feedback received prior to April 24.
>>>
>>> 1/ Ingo said [2]:
>>>
>>>        "So why on earth is this whole concept and the naming itself
>>>        ('drivers/block/nd/' stands for 'NFIT Defined', apparently)
>>>        revolving around a specific 'firmware' mindset and revolving
>>>        around specific, weirdly named, overly complicated looking
>>>        firmware interfaces that come with their own new weird
>>>        glossary??"
>>>
>>>    Indeed, we of course consulted the NFIT specification to determine
>>>    the shape of the sub-system, but then let its terms and data
>>>    structures permeate too deep into the implementation.  That is fixed
>>>    now with all NFIT specifics factored out into acpi.c.  The NFIT is no
>>>    longer required reading to review libnd.  Only three concepts are
>>>    needed:
>>>
>>>       i/ PMEM - contiguous memory range where cpu stores are
>>>          persistent once they are flushed through the memory
>>>          controller.
>>>
>>>      ii/ BLK - mmio apertures (sliding windows) that can be
>>>          programmed to access an aperture's-worth of persistent
>>>          media at a time.
>>>
>>>     iii/ DPA - "dimm-physical-address", address space local to a
>>>          dimm.  A dimm may provide both PMEM-mode and BLK-mode
>>>          access to a range of DPA.  libnd manages allocation of DPA
>>>          to either PMEM or BLK-namespaces to resolve this aliasing.
>>
>> Mostly for my understanding: is there a name for "address relative to
>> the address lines on the DIMM"?  That is, a DIMM that exposes 8 GB of
>> apparent physical memory, possibly interleaved, broken up, or weirdly
>> remapped by the memory controller, would still have addresses between
>> 0 and 8 GB.  Some of those might be PMEM windows, some might be MMIO,
>> some might be BLK apertures, etc.
>>
>> IIUC "DPA" refers to actual addressable storage, not this type of address?
>
> No, DPA is exactly as you describe above.  You can't directly access
> it except through a PMEM mapping (possibly interleaved with DPA from
> other DIMMs) or a BLK aperture (mmio window into DPA).

So the thing I'm describing has no name, then?  Oh, well.

--Andy

  reply	other threads:[~2015-04-28 21:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 179+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-04-28 18:24 [PATCH v2 00/20] libnd: non-volatile memory device support Dan Williams
2015-04-28 18:24 ` Dan Williams
2015-04-28 18:24 ` [PATCH v2 01/20] e820, efi: add ACPI 6.0 persistent memory types Dan Williams
2015-04-28 18:24   ` Dan Williams
2015-04-28 20:49   ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-04-28 20:49     ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-04-28 20:57     ` Dan Williams
2015-04-28 20:57       ` Dan Williams
2015-04-28 21:05       ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-04-28 21:05         ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-05-15 15:43   ` [Linux-nvdimm] " Jeff Moyer
2015-05-15 15:48     ` Dan Williams
2015-05-18 19:28       ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-04-28 18:24 ` [PATCH v2 02/20] libnd, nd_acpi: initial libnd infrastructure and NFIT support Dan Williams
2015-04-28 18:24   ` Dan Williams
2015-04-30 23:23   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-04-30 23:23     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-05-01  0:39     ` Dan Williams
2015-05-01  0:39       ` Dan Williams
2015-05-01  1:21       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-05-01  1:21         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-05-01 16:23         ` Dan Williams
2015-05-01 16:23           ` Dan Williams
2015-05-04 23:58           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-05-04 23:58             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-05-04 23:46             ` Dan Williams
2015-05-04 23:46               ` Dan Williams
2015-05-15 19:44   ` [Linux-nvdimm] " Jeff Moyer
2015-05-15 20:41     ` Dan Williams
2015-04-28 18:24 ` [PATCH v2 03/20] nd_acpi, nfit-test: manufactured NFITs for interface development Dan Williams
2015-04-28 18:24   ` Dan Williams
2015-05-15 20:25   ` [Linux-nvdimm] " Jeff Moyer
2015-05-15 20:50     ` Dan Williams
2015-04-28 18:24 ` [PATCH v2 04/20] libnd: ndctl class device, and nd bus attributes Dan Williams
2015-04-28 18:24   ` Dan Williams
2015-05-15 21:00   ` [Linux-nvdimm] " Jeff Moyer
2015-04-28 18:24 ` [PATCH v2 05/20] libnd, nd_acpi: dimm/memory-devices Dan Williams
2015-04-28 18:24   ` Dan Williams
2015-05-01 17:48   ` [Linux-nvdimm] " Toshi Kani
2015-05-01 17:48     ` Toshi Kani
2015-05-01 18:22     ` Dan Williams
2015-05-01 18:22       ` Dan Williams
2015-05-01 18:19       ` Toshi Kani
2015-05-01 18:19         ` Toshi Kani
2015-05-01 18:43         ` Dan Williams
2015-05-01 18:43           ` Dan Williams
2015-05-01 19:15           ` Toshi Kani
2015-05-01 19:15             ` Toshi Kani
2015-05-01 19:38             ` Dan Williams
2015-05-01 19:38               ` Dan Williams
2015-05-01 20:08               ` Toshi Kani
2015-05-01 20:08                 ` Toshi Kani
2015-04-28 18:24 ` [PATCH v2 06/20] libnd: ndctl.h, the nd ioctl abi Dan Williams
2015-04-28 18:24   ` Dan Williams
2015-04-28 18:24 ` [PATCH v2 07/20] libnd, nd_dimm: dimm driver and base libnd device-driver infrastructure Dan Williams
2015-04-28 18:24   ` Dan Williams
2015-05-20 16:59   ` [Linux-nvdimm] " Elliott, Robert (Server Storage)
2015-05-20 16:59     ` Elliott, Robert (Server Storage)
2015-05-20 17:02     ` Dan Williams
2015-05-20 17:02       ` Dan Williams
2015-04-28 18:24 ` [PATCH v2 08/20] libnd, nd_acpi: regions (block-data-window, persistent memory, volatile memory) Dan Williams
2015-04-28 18:24   ` Dan Williams
2015-04-29 15:53   ` [Linux-nvdimm] " Elliott, Robert (Server Storage)
2015-04-29 15:53     ` Elliott, Robert (Server Storage)
2015-04-29 15:59     ` Dan Williams
2015-04-29 15:59       ` Dan Williams
2015-05-04 20:26   ` Toshi Kani
2015-05-04 20:26     ` Toshi Kani
2015-05-09 23:55     ` Dan Williams
2015-05-09 23:55       ` Dan Williams
2015-05-28 18:36       ` Toshi Kani
2015-05-28 18:36         ` Toshi Kani
2015-05-28 19:59         ` Dan Williams
2015-05-28 19:59           ` Dan Williams
2015-05-28 20:51           ` Linda Knippers
2015-05-28 20:51             ` Linda Knippers
2015-05-28 20:58             ` Dan Williams
2015-05-28 20:58               ` Dan Williams
2015-04-28 18:25 ` [PATCH v2 09/20] libnd: support for legacy (non-aliasing) nvdimms Dan Williams
2015-04-28 18:25   ` Dan Williams
2015-04-28 18:25 ` [PATCH v2 10/20] pmem: use ida Dan Williams
2015-04-28 18:25   ` Dan Williams
2015-04-29 18:25   ` [Linux-nvdimm] " Toshi Kani
2015-04-29 18:25     ` Toshi Kani
2015-04-29 18:59     ` Dan Williams
2015-04-29 18:59       ` Dan Williams
2015-04-29 18:53       ` Toshi Kani
2015-04-29 18:53         ` Toshi Kani
2015-04-29 20:49         ` Linda Knippers
2015-04-29 20:49           ` Linda Knippers
2015-04-29 21:36           ` Dan Williams
2015-04-29 21:36             ` Dan Williams
2015-04-28 18:25 ` [PATCH v2 11/20] libnd, nd_pmem: add libnd support to the pmem driver Dan Williams
2015-04-28 18:25   ` Dan Williams
2015-04-28 21:04   ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-04-28 21:04     ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-04-28 22:21     ` [Linux-nvdimm] " Phil Pokorny
2015-04-28 22:21       ` Phil Pokorny
2015-04-28 22:58       ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-04-28 22:58         ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-04-29  0:17         ` Phil Pokorny
2015-04-29  0:17           ` Phil Pokorny
2015-04-29  0:28           ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-04-29  0:28             ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-04-29 15:55         ` Dan Williams
2015-04-29 15:55           ` Dan Williams
2015-04-29 18:36           ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-04-29 18:36             ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-04-28 18:25 ` [PATCH v2 12/20] libnd, nd_acpi: add interleave-set state-tracking infrastructure Dan Williams
2015-04-28 18:25   ` Dan Williams
2015-04-28 18:25 ` [PATCH v2 13/20] libnd: namespace indices: read and validate Dan Williams
2015-04-28 18:25   ` Dan Williams
2015-04-28 18:25 ` [PATCH v2 14/20] libnd: pmem label sets and namespace instantiation Dan Williams
2015-04-28 18:25   ` Dan Williams
2015-04-28 18:25 ` [PATCH v2 15/20] libnd: blk labels " Dan Williams
2015-04-28 18:25   ` Dan Williams
2015-04-28 18:25 ` [PATCH v2 16/20] libnd: write pmem label set Dan Williams
2015-04-28 18:25   ` Dan Williams
2015-04-28 18:25 ` [PATCH v2 17/20] libnd: write blk " Dan Williams
2015-04-28 18:25   ` Dan Williams
2015-04-28 18:25 ` [PATCH v2 18/20] libnd: infrastructure for btt devices Dan Williams
2015-04-28 18:25   ` Dan Williams
2015-05-12 16:33   ` [Linux-nvdimm] " Toshi Kani
2015-05-12 16:33     ` Toshi Kani
2015-05-15  0:41     ` Dan Williams
2015-05-15  0:41       ` Dan Williams
2015-05-15  4:25       ` Elliott, Robert (Server Storage)
2015-05-15  4:25         ` Elliott, Robert (Server Storage)
2015-04-28 18:25 ` [PATCH v2 19/20] nd_btt: atomic sector updates Dan Williams
2015-04-28 18:25   ` Dan Williams
2015-05-17  1:19   ` [Linux-nvdimm] " Elliott, Robert (Server Storage)
2015-05-17  1:19     ` Elliott, Robert (Server Storage)
2015-05-17  3:22     ` Dan Williams
2015-05-17  3:22       ` Dan Williams
2015-05-20 17:20       ` Elliott, Robert (Server Storage)
2015-05-20 17:20         ` Elliott, Robert (Server Storage)
2015-05-18 22:38     ` Verma, Vishal L
2015-05-18 22:38       ` Verma, Vishal L
2015-04-28 18:26 ` [PATCH v2 20/20] libnd, nd_acpi, nd_blk: driver for BLK-mode access persistent memory Dan Williams
2015-04-28 18:26   ` Dan Williams
2015-04-28 21:10   ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-04-28 21:10     ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-04-28 22:30     ` Dan Williams
2015-04-28 22:30       ` Dan Williams
2015-04-28 23:06       ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-04-28 23:06         ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-04-29 17:10         ` Dan Williams
2015-04-29 17:10           ` Dan Williams
2015-04-29 19:28           ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-04-29 19:28             ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-04-28 20:52 ` [PATCH v2 00/20] libnd: non-volatile memory device support Andy Lutomirski
2015-04-28 20:52   ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-04-28 20:59   ` Dan Williams
2015-04-28 20:59     ` Dan Williams
2015-04-28 21:06     ` Andy Lutomirski [this message]
2015-04-28 21:06       ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-04-28 22:28       ` Dan Williams
2015-04-28 22:28         ` Dan Williams
2015-04-28 23:05         ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-04-28 23:05           ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-04-30 20:56           ` Ross Zwisler
2015-04-30 20:56             ` Ross Zwisler
2015-04-28 21:24 ` [Linux-nvdimm] " Elliott, Robert (Server Storage)
2015-04-28 21:24   ` Elliott, Robert (Server Storage)
2015-04-28 22:15   ` Dan Williams
2015-04-28 22:15     ` Dan Williams
2015-05-07  7:29     ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-05-07  7:29       ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-04-29  0:25 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-04-29  0:25   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-04-29  1:22   ` Dan Williams
2015-04-29  1:22     ` Dan Williams
2015-04-29  1:22     ` Dan Williams
2015-05-05  0:06     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-05-05  0:06       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-05-05  0:06       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-05-08  6:31       ` Williams, Dan J
2015-05-08  6:31         ` Williams, Dan J
2015-05-08  6:31         ` Williams, Dan J

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