* [Ksummit-discuss] [MAINTAINERS SUMMIT] Talking code or talking in code! @ 2019-05-30 22:19 Shuah Khan 2019-05-31 2:14 ` Theodore Ts'o 0 siblings, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread From: Shuah Khan @ 2019-05-30 22:19 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ksummit-discuss We as a community talk code in emails. Do we talk in code at times? How effective are we in communicating with each other? I would like to propose a topic to explore our communication styles to get a better understanding of how effective we are. I am hoping, we could become more productive, if we get some insight into whether or not we talk in code while we talk code. We could do this by inviting Isabella Ferreira, PhD Student in Computer Engineering, Polytechnique Montréal to tell us about Sentimine, which is a plugin on top of the cregit platform focused on analyzing communication in open source communities. It will include a short survey focused on analyzing a few emails for clarity and perception. I participated in one of her previous presentations and found it a useful experiment, as it made me stop and think about my understanding and perception of interactions. thanks, -- Shuah ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [MAINTAINERS SUMMIT] Talking code or talking in code! 2019-05-30 22:19 [Ksummit-discuss] [MAINTAINERS SUMMIT] Talking code or talking in code! Shuah Khan @ 2019-05-31 2:14 ` Theodore Ts'o 2019-05-31 2:42 ` Matthew Wilcox 2019-05-31 15:42 ` Shuah Khan 0 siblings, 2 replies; 11+ messages in thread From: Theodore Ts'o @ 2019-05-31 2:14 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Shuah Khan; +Cc: ksummit-discuss On Thu, May 30, 2019 at 04:19:20PM -0600, Shuah Khan wrote: > We as a community talk code in emails. Do we talk in code at times? How > effective are we in communicating with each other? > > I would like to propose a topic to explore our communication styles to > get a better understanding of how effective we are. I am hoping, we > could become more productive, if we get some insight into whether or not > we talk in code while we talk code. > > We could do this by inviting Isabella Ferreira, PhD Student in Computer > Engineering, Polytechnique Montréal to tell us about Sentimine, > which is a plugin on top of the cregit platform focused on analyzing > communication in open source communities. It will include a short survey > focused on analyzing a few emails for clarity and perception. Hi Shuah, If the goal is to get Isabella's ideas more exposure, perhaps it would be better to ask if she would be willing to give a presentation at the more open Kernel Summit track during the LPC? It would appear that it's fairly early days for her work, from doing some web searching, the only thing I could really find was her 2019 Open Source Leadership Summit presentations (slides here[1]) and the more formal academic paper[2]. [1] https://events.linuxfoundation.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/OSS_Summit_Presentation.pdf [2] http://mcis.polymtl.ca/publications/2019/SEMotion_2019.pdf As near as I can tell the talk was not video recorded; which is a shame, since I wasn't able to pick up from the slide presentation the same kind of excitement that you clearly have over her work. I was also very confused about how cregit (which analyzes code) mentioned in the last two slides relates to the work described in the first 80% of the slide deck, which appears to be analyzing mailing list text. I'd also think that if the goal is to have a conversation about communication styles, having that discussion with a wider circle might be more productive. Or did you have something in mind about some decision that might get made at the Maintainer's Summit? - Ted ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [MAINTAINERS SUMMIT] Talking code or talking in code! 2019-05-31 2:14 ` Theodore Ts'o @ 2019-05-31 2:42 ` Matthew Wilcox 2019-05-31 12:12 ` Laura Abbott 2019-05-31 15:42 ` Shuah Khan 1 sibling, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread From: Matthew Wilcox @ 2019-05-31 2:42 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Theodore Y. Ts'o; +Cc: ksummit-discuss [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 2704 bytes --] I'd be interested to know how this compares to Dawn Foster's work that was presented last year: https://ossna18.sched.com/event/FAON/kernel-mailing-list-collaboration-dawn-m-foster-the-scale-factory On Thu., May 30, 2019, 22:15 Theodore Ts'o, <tytso@mit.edu> wrote: > On Thu, May 30, 2019 at 04:19:20PM -0600, Shuah Khan wrote: > > We as a community talk code in emails. Do we talk in code at times? How > > effective are we in communicating with each other? > > > > I would like to propose a topic to explore our communication styles to > > get a better understanding of how effective we are. I am hoping, we > > could become more productive, if we get some insight into whether or not > > we talk in code while we talk code. > > > > We could do this by inviting Isabella Ferreira, PhD Student in Computer > > Engineering, Polytechnique Montréal to tell us about Sentimine, > > which is a plugin on top of the cregit platform focused on analyzing > > communication in open source communities. It will include a short survey > > focused on analyzing a few emails for clarity and perception. > > Hi Shuah, > > If the goal is to get Isabella's ideas more exposure, perhaps it would > be better to ask if she would be willing to give a presentation at the > more open Kernel Summit track during the LPC? > > It would appear that it's fairly early days for her work, from doing > some web searching, the only thing I could really find was her 2019 > Open Source Leadership Summit presentations (slides here[1]) and the > more formal academic paper[2]. > > [1] > https://events.linuxfoundation.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/OSS_Summit_Presentation.pdf > [2] http://mcis.polymtl.ca/publications/2019/SEMotion_2019.pdf > > As near as I can tell the talk was not video recorded; which is a > shame, since I wasn't able to pick up from the slide presentation the > same kind of excitement that you clearly have over her work. I was > also very confused about how cregit (which analyzes code) mentioned in > the last two slides relates to the work described in the first 80% of > the slide deck, which appears to be analyzing mailing list text. > > I'd also think that if the goal is to have a conversation about > communication styles, having that discussion with a wider circle might > be more productive. Or did you have something in mind about some > decision that might get made at the Maintainer's Summit? > > - Ted > _______________________________________________ > Ksummit-discuss mailing list > Ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org > https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ksummit-discuss > [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 3743 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [MAINTAINERS SUMMIT] Talking code or talking in code! 2019-05-31 2:42 ` Matthew Wilcox @ 2019-05-31 12:12 ` Laura Abbott 2019-05-31 15:54 ` Shuah Khan 0 siblings, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread From: Laura Abbott @ 2019-05-31 12:12 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Matthew Wilcox, Theodore Y. Ts'o; +Cc: ksummit-discuss On 5/30/19 10:42 PM, Matthew Wilcox wrote: > I'd be interested to know how this compares to Dawn Foster's work that was presented last year: https://ossna18.sched.com/event/FAON/kernel-mailing-list-collaboration-dawn-m-foster-the-scale-factory > I saw Dawn Fosters's talk a few times. Dawn Foster's work was focused more on properties effecting communication (companies, time zones etc.) than communication style from what I remember. I don't think actual sentiment behind the e-mails was covered much. (I could also only be remembering the graphs I saw) Thanks, Laura > On Thu., May 30, 2019, 22:15 Theodore Ts'o, <tytso@mit.edu <mailto:tytso@mit.edu>> wrote: > > On Thu, May 30, 2019 at 04:19:20PM -0600, Shuah Khan wrote: > > We as a community talk code in emails. Do we talk in code at times? How > > effective are we in communicating with each other? > > > > I would like to propose a topic to explore our communication styles to > > get a better understanding of how effective we are. I am hoping, we > > could become more productive, if we get some insight into whether or not > > we talk in code while we talk code. > > > > We could do this by inviting Isabella Ferreira, PhD Student in Computer > > Engineering, Polytechnique Montréal to tell us about Sentimine, > > which is a plugin on top of the cregit platform focused on analyzing > > communication in open source communities. It will include a short survey > > focused on analyzing a few emails for clarity and perception. > > Hi Shuah, > > If the goal is to get Isabella's ideas more exposure, perhaps it would > be better to ask if she would be willing to give a presentation at the > more open Kernel Summit track during the LPC? > > It would appear that it's fairly early days for her work, from doing > some web searching, the only thing I could really find was her 2019 > Open Source Leadership Summit presentations (slides here[1]) and the > more formal academic paper[2]. > > [1] https://events.linuxfoundation.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/OSS_Summit_Presentation.pdf > [2] http://mcis.polymtl.ca/publications/2019/SEMotion_2019.pdf > > As near as I can tell the talk was not video recorded; which is a > shame, since I wasn't able to pick up from the slide presentation the > same kind of excitement that you clearly have over her work. I was > also very confused about how cregit (which analyzes code) mentioned in > the last two slides relates to the work described in the first 80% of > the slide deck, which appears to be analyzing mailing list text. > > I'd also think that if the goal is to have a conversation about > communication styles, having that discussion with a wider circle might > be more productive. Or did you have something in mind about some > decision that might get made at the Maintainer's Summit? > > - Ted > _______________________________________________ > Ksummit-discuss mailing list > Ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org <mailto:Ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org> > https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ksummit-discuss > > > _______________________________________________ > Ksummit-discuss mailing list > Ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org > https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ksummit-discuss > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [MAINTAINERS SUMMIT] Talking code or talking in code! 2019-05-31 12:12 ` Laura Abbott @ 2019-05-31 15:54 ` Shuah Khan 0 siblings, 0 replies; 11+ messages in thread From: Shuah Khan @ 2019-05-31 15:54 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Laura Abbott, Matthew Wilcox, Theodore Y. Ts'o; +Cc: ksummit-discuss On 5/31/19 6:12 AM, Laura Abbott wrote: > On 5/30/19 10:42 PM, Matthew Wilcox wrote: >> I'd be interested to know how this compares to Dawn Foster's work that >> was presented last year: >> https://ossna18.sched.com/event/FAON/kernel-mailing-list-collaboration-dawn-m-foster-the-scale-factory >> >> > > I saw Dawn Fosters's talk a few times. Dawn Foster's work was focused > more on properties > effecting communication (companies, time zones etc.) than communication > style > from what I remember. I don't think actual sentiment behind the e-mails was > covered much. (I could also only be remembering the graphs I saw) > Right. I helped Dawn Foster during her early stages of research. The focus of her research collaboration across developers from different companies with potentially different goals and working remotely with people around the globe. It didn't look at sentiment in communication. thanks, -- Shuah ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [MAINTAINERS SUMMIT] Talking code or talking in code! 2019-05-31 2:14 ` Theodore Ts'o 2019-05-31 2:42 ` Matthew Wilcox @ 2019-05-31 15:42 ` Shuah Khan 2019-05-31 16:25 ` Joe Perches 2019-06-03 15:51 ` Mark Brown 1 sibling, 2 replies; 11+ messages in thread From: Shuah Khan @ 2019-05-31 15:42 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Theodore Ts'o; +Cc: ksummit-discuss Hi Ted, On 5/30/19 8:14 PM, Theodore Ts'o wrote: > On Thu, May 30, 2019 at 04:19:20PM -0600, Shuah Khan wrote: >> We as a community talk code in emails. Do we talk in code at times? How >> effective are we in communicating with each other? >> >> I would like to propose a topic to explore our communication styles to >> get a better understanding of how effective we are. I am hoping, we >> could become more productive, if we get some insight into whether or not >> we talk in code while we talk code. >> >> We could do this by inviting Isabella Ferreira, PhD Student in Computer >> Engineering, Polytechnique Montréal to tell us about Sentimine, >> which is a plugin on top of the cregit platform focused on analyzing >> communication in open source communities. It will include a short survey >> focused on analyzing a few emails for clarity and perception. > > Hi Shuah, > > If the goal is to get Isabella's ideas more exposure, perhaps it would > be better to ask if she would be willing to give a presentation at the > more open Kernel Summit track during the LPC? Isabella sent in a proposal for a BOF session at LPC. She is looking to social her research and more importantly, she is looking to validate her analysis engine with real data. She has been working on refining it which is currently using various Linux email lists. > > It would appear that it's fairly early days for her work, from doing > some web searching, the only thing I could really find was her 2019 > Open Source Leadership Summit presentations (slides here[1]) and the > more formal academic paper[2]. > > [1] https://events.linuxfoundation.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/OSS_Summit_Presentation.pdf > [2] http://mcis.polymtl.ca/publications/2019/SEMotion_2019.pdf > Right. It is early in some sense and ready for comparing human perceptions with the analysis the tool is doing to validate and refine the tool. > As near as I can tell the talk was not video recorded; which is a > shame, since I wasn't able to pick up from the slide presentation the > same kind of excitement that you clearly have over her work. I was > also very confused about how cregit (which analyzes code) mentioned in > the last two slides relates to the work described in the first 80% of > the slide deck, which appears to be analyzing mailing list text. > I went looking for recording as well prior to sending this proposal. It would have been useful to get a better idea of the research, if we had a recording. > I'd also think that if the goal is to have a conversation about > communication styles, having that discussion with a wider circle might > be more productive. Or did you have something in mind about some > decision that might get made at the Maintainer's Summit? > She is planning to cover wider audience from other open source communities at the BOF if it gets accepted of course. As for you second question: "Or did you have something in mind about some decision that might get made at the Maintainer's Summit?" The answer is no. I am not looking for any decisions and/or outcomes based on this proposal. Let me go over my vision for this time slot at the Maintainers Summit if we choose to add it. This isn't going to be a long deep dive session on the research. I asked Isabella to work with the following outline: - A short summary of Sentimine - A short survey of 2 or 3 emails. We do the survey - I can have her share the survey format ahead of time. Based on my recollection of the survey from OSLS presentation, it asks participants to identify the tone of the email. Positive/negative/neutral. - Isabella compares these results to the tool's analysis. The goal is to see how far off the tool's analysis from real developers take on these emails. My observation is that the tool is missing a subjective and context component in the analysis. It might have improved since the OSLS time. This research and tool based on this research is going to continue with or without our participation. We as community and our emails are the raw data fueling this research and tool. I think we can add value with our direct feedback on the tool and its analysis to refine it and tune it with real analysis. This feedback coming from maintainers and developers that have been doing the longest will be very valuable. I consider this group of people at this summit is as close it gets to the heart of the community. As a result, the feedback from this group can make this tool stronger for the rest of the open source communities. In addition, I think the tool should also look at clarity of communication not just tone. To me this is the most useful part for us. My motivation and goal is to explore if we can take this opportunity to influence the direction of this research to look at what would be useful to us as a community. Hope this helps understand the reasoning behind this proposal. thanks, -- Shuah ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [MAINTAINERS SUMMIT] Talking code or talking in code! 2019-05-31 15:42 ` Shuah Khan @ 2019-05-31 16:25 ` Joe Perches 2019-05-31 16:34 ` Shuah Khan 2019-06-03 15:51 ` Mark Brown 1 sibling, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread From: Joe Perches @ 2019-05-31 16:25 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Shuah Khan, Theodore Ts'o; +Cc: ksummit-discuss On Fri, 2019-05-31 at 09:42 -0600, Shuah Khan wrote: > Isabella sent in a proposal for a BOF session at LPC. She is looking > to social her research What does it mean to social her research? > and more importantly, she is looking to validate > her analysis engine with real data. I expect validation will always be a difficult proposition. case in point is the phrase "social her research". ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [MAINTAINERS SUMMIT] Talking code or talking in code! 2019-05-31 16:25 ` Joe Perches @ 2019-05-31 16:34 ` Shuah Khan 0 siblings, 0 replies; 11+ messages in thread From: Shuah Khan @ 2019-05-31 16:34 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Joe Perches, Theodore Ts'o; +Cc: ksummit-discuss On 5/31/19 10:25 AM, Joe Perches wrote: > On Fri, 2019-05-31 at 09:42 -0600, Shuah Khan wrote: >> Isabella sent in a proposal for a BOF session at LPC. She is looking >> to social her research > > What does it mean to social her research? It is supposed to be socialize - In any case, what I meant to say is that she is looking for feedback and real data to fine tune her research and tool. > >> and more importantly, she is looking to validate >> her analysis engine with real data. > > I expect validation will always be a difficult proposition. > case in point is the phrase "social her research". > > Please see above. It is a typo on my part. thanks, -- Shuah ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [MAINTAINERS SUMMIT] Talking code or talking in code! 2019-05-31 15:42 ` Shuah Khan 2019-05-31 16:25 ` Joe Perches @ 2019-06-03 15:51 ` Mark Brown 2019-06-03 17:39 ` Shuah Khan 1 sibling, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread From: Mark Brown @ 2019-06-03 15:51 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Shuah Khan; +Cc: ksummit-discuss [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1545 bytes --] On Fri, May 31, 2019 at 09:42:52AM -0600, Shuah Khan wrote: > Let me go over my vision for this time slot at the Maintainers Summit > if we choose to add it. This isn't going to be a long deep dive session > on the research. I asked Isabella to work with the following outline: > - A short summary of Sentimine > - A short survey of 2 or 3 emails. We do the survey - I can have her > share the survey format ahead of time. Based on my recollection of > the survey from OSLS presentation, it asks participants to identify > the tone of the email. Positive/negative/neutral. > - Isabella compares these results to the tool's analysis. The goal > is to see how far off the tool's analysis from real developers > take on these emails. Does that need to be done at the summit or could it be done offline with the summit attendees (or with a list of people pulled from the active developers stats or something for that matter)? But then... > In addition, I think the tool should also look at clarity of > communication not just tone. To me this is the most useful part for > us. My motivation and goal is to explore if we can take this opportunity > to influence the direction of this research to look at what would be > useful to us as a community. ...it does sound like a useful way of kicking off a discussion. Perhaps the survey could be done in advance and then the discussion jump straight on to any differences in evaluation? I do agree that clarity is worth looking at, especially with regard to non-native English speakers. [-- Attachment #2: signature.asc --] [-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 488 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [MAINTAINERS SUMMIT] Talking code or talking in code! 2019-06-03 15:51 ` Mark Brown @ 2019-06-03 17:39 ` Shuah Khan 2019-07-28 22:05 ` [Ksummit-discuss] [MAINTAINERS SUMMIT] (withdrawn) " Shuah Khan 0 siblings, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread From: Shuah Khan @ 2019-06-03 17:39 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Mark Brown; +Cc: ksummit-discuss On 6/3/19 9:51 AM, Mark Brown wrote: > On Fri, May 31, 2019 at 09:42:52AM -0600, Shuah Khan wrote: > >> Let me go over my vision for this time slot at the Maintainers Summit >> if we choose to add it. This isn't going to be a long deep dive session >> on the research. I asked Isabella to work with the following outline: > >> - A short summary of Sentimine >> - A short survey of 2 or 3 emails. We do the survey - I can have her >> share the survey format ahead of time. Based on my recollection of >> the survey from OSLS presentation, it asks participants to identify >> the tone of the email. Positive/negative/neutral. >> - Isabella compares these results to the tool's analysis. The goal >> is to see how far off the tool's analysis from real developers >> take on these emails. > > Does that need to be done at the summit or could it be done offline with > the summit attendees (or with a list of people pulled from the active > developers stats or something for that matter)? But then... > I like this idea. This helps us gather data from more developers than just the Maintainer summit attendees. We can do this after the trial run at the Maintainer summit, provided we do add the topic to the agenda. >> In addition, I think the tool should also look at clarity of >> communication not just tone. To me this is the most useful part for >> us. My motivation and goal is to explore if we can take this opportunity >> to influence the direction of this research to look at what would be >> useful to us as a community. > > ...it does sound like a useful way of kicking off a discussion. Perhaps > the survey could be done in advance and then the discussion jump > straight on to any differences in evaluation? I do agree that clarity > is worth looking at, especially with regard to non-native English > speakers. > Doing survey ahead of time would help us spend more time on differences in evaluation and help identify areas for improvement in the tool and the assumptions it is making. If we chose to go this route, I can work with Isabella to send the survey out a day or two in advance to gather data. thanks, -- Shuah ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [MAINTAINERS SUMMIT] (withdrawn) Talking code or talking in code! 2019-06-03 17:39 ` Shuah Khan @ 2019-07-28 22:05 ` Shuah Khan 0 siblings, 0 replies; 11+ messages in thread From: Shuah Khan @ 2019-07-28 22:05 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Theodore Ts'o; +Cc: ksummit-discuss On 6/3/19 11:39 AM, Shuah Khan wrote: > On 6/3/19 9:51 AM, Mark Brown wrote: >> On Fri, May 31, 2019 at 09:42:52AM -0600, Shuah Khan wrote: >> >>> Let me go over my vision for this time slot at the Maintainers Summit >>> if we choose to add it. This isn't going to be a long deep dive session >>> on the research. I asked Isabella to work with the following outline: >> >>> - A short summary of Sentimine >>> - A short survey of 2 or 3 emails. We do the survey - I can have her >>> share the survey format ahead of time. Based on my recollection of >>> the survey from OSLS presentation, it asks participants to identify >>> the tone of the email. Positive/negative/neutral. >>> - Isabella compares these results to the tool's analysis. The goal >>> is to see how far off the tool's analysis from real developers >>> take on these emails. >> >> Does that need to be done at the summit or could it be done offline with >> the summit attendees (or with a list of people pulled from the active >> developers stats or something for that matter)? But then... >> > > I like this idea. This helps us gather data from more developers than > just the Maintainer summit attendees. We can do this after the trial > run at the Maintainer summit, provided we do add the topic to the > agenda. > >>> In addition, I think the tool should also look at clarity of >>> communication not just tone. To me this is the most useful part for >>> us. My motivation and goal is to explore if we can take this opportunity >>> to influence the direction of this research to look at what would be >>> useful to us as a community. >> >> ...it does sound like a useful way of kicking off a discussion. Perhaps >> the survey could be done in advance and then the discussion jump >> straight on to any differences in evaluation? I do agree that clarity >> is worth looking at, especially with regard to non-native English >> speakers. >> > > Doing survey ahead of time would help us spend more time on differences > in evaluation and help identify areas for improvement in the tool and > the assumptions it is making. > > If we chose to go this route, I can work with Isabella to send the > survey out a day or two in advance to gather data. > Hi Ted, The research to get clarity of communication hasn't produced results that could of any value so far. It needs more work. Focusing on just tone in my mind is one dimensional and not useful. I don't see the point in wasting cycles at Maintainer and Kernel summits on this topic. I deiced to withdraw this proposal. Thanks for the time and discussion. thanks, -- Shuah ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
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