From: John Hubbard <jhubbard@nvidia.com>
To: Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>, Jerome Glisse <jglisse@redhat.com>
Cc: Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>, Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>,
Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>,
John Hubbard <john.hubbard@gmail.com>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/2] mm: introduce put_user_page*(), placeholder versions
Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2018 19:52:35 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <05a68829-6e6d-b766-11b4-99e1ba4bc87b@nvidia.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20181213005119.GD29416@dastard>
On 12/12/18 4:51 PM, Dave Chinner wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 12, 2018 at 04:59:31PM -0500, Jerome Glisse wrote:
>> On Thu, Dec 13, 2018 at 08:46:41AM +1100, Dave Chinner wrote:
>>> On Wed, Dec 12, 2018 at 10:03:20AM -0500, Jerome Glisse wrote:
>>>> On Mon, Dec 10, 2018 at 11:28:46AM +0100, Jan Kara wrote:
>>>>> On Fri 07-12-18 21:24:46, Jerome Glisse wrote:
>>>>> So this approach doesn't look like a win to me over using counter in struct
>>>>> page and I'd rather try looking into squeezing HMM public page usage of
>>>>> struct page so that we can fit that gup counter there as well. I know that
>>>>> it may be easier said than done...
>>>>
Agreed. After all the discussion this week, I'm thinking that the original idea
of a per-struct-page counter is better. Fortunately, we can do the moral equivalent
of that, unless I'm overlooking something: Jerome had another proposal that he
described, off-list, for doing that counting, and his idea avoids the problem of
finding space in struct page. (And in fact, when I responded yesterday, I initially
thought that's where he was going with this.)
So how about this hybrid solution:
1. Stay with the basic RFC approach of using a per-page counter, but actually
store the counter(s) in the mappings instead of the struct page. We can use
!PageAnon and page_mapping to look up all the mappings, stash the dma_pinned_count
there. So the total pinned count is scattered across mappings. Probably still need
a PageDmaPinned bit.
Thanks again to Jerome for coming up with that idea, and I hope I haven't missed
a critical point or misrepresented it.
2. put_user_page() would still restrict itself to managing PageDmaPinned and
dma_pinned_count, as before. No messing with page_mkwrite or anything that
requires lock_page():
void put_user_page(struct page *page)
{
if (PageAnon(page))
put_page(page);
else {
/* Approximately: Check PageDmaPinned, look up dma_pinned_count
* via page_mapping's, decrement the appropriate
* mapping's dma_pinned_count. Clear PageDmaPinned
* if dma_pinned_count hits zero.
*/
...
}
I'm not sure how tricky finding the "appropriate" mapping is, but it seems
like just comparing current->mm information with the mappings should do it.
3. And as before, use PageDmaPinned to decide what to do in page_mkclean() and
try_to_unmap().
Maybe here is the part where someone says, "you should have created the actual
patchset, instead of typing all those words". But I'm still hoping to get some
consensus first. :)
one more note below...
>>>> So i want back to the drawing board and first i would like to ascertain
>>>> that we all agree on what the objectives are:
>>>>
>>>> [O1] Avoid write back from a page still being written by either a
>>>> device or some direct I/O or any other existing user of GUP.
>
> IOWs, you need to mark pages being written to by a GUP as
> PageWriteback, so all attempts to write the page will block on
> wait_on_page_writeback() before trying to write the dirty page.
>
>>>> This would avoid possible file system corruption.
>
> This isn't a filesystem corruption vector. At worst, it could cause
> torn data writes due to updating the page while it is under IO. We
> have a name for this: "stable pages". This is designed to prevent
> updates to pages via mmap writes from causing corruption of things
> like MD RAID due to modification of the data during RAID parity
> calculations. Hence we have wait_for_stable_page() calls in all
> ->page_mkwrite implementations so that new mmap writes block until
> writeback IO is complete on the devices that require stable pages
> to prevent corruption.
>
> IOWs, we already deal with this "delay new modification while
> writeback is in progress" problem in the mmap/filesystem world and
> have infrastructure to handle it. And the ->page_mkwrite code
> already deals with it.
>
>>>>
>>>> [O2] Avoid crash when set_page_dirty() is call on a page that is
>>>> considered clean by core mm (buffer head have been remove and
>>>> with some file system this turns into an ugly mess).
>>>
>>> I think that's wrong. This isn't an "avoid a crash" case, this is a
>>> "prevent data and/or filesystem corruption" case. The primary goal
>>> we have here is removing our exposure to potential corruption, which
>>> has the secondary effect of avoiding the crash/panics that currently
>>> occur as a result of inconsistent page/filesystem state.
>>
>> This is O1 avoid corruption is O1
>
> It's "avoid a specific instance of data corruption", not a general
> mechanism for avoiding data/filesystem corruption.
>
> Calling set_page_dirty() on a file backed page which has not been
> correctly prepared can cause data corruption, filesystem coruption
> and shutdowns, etc because we have dirty data over a region that is
> not correctly mapped. Yes, it can also cause a crash (because we
> really, really suck at validation and error handling in generic code
> paths), but there's so, so much more that can go wrong than crash
> the kernel when we do stupid shit like this.
>
>>> i.e. The goal is to have ->page_mkwrite() called on the clean page
>>> /before/ the file-backed page is marked dirty, and hence we don't
>>> expose ourselves to potential corruption or crashes that are a
>>> result of inappropriately calling set_page_dirty() on clean
>>> file-backed pages.
>>
>> Yes and this would be handle by put_user_page ie:
>
> No, put_user_page() is too late - it's after the DMA has completed,
> but we have to ensure the file has backing store allocated and the
> pages are in the correct state /before/ the DMA is done.
>
> Think ENOSPC - that has to be handled before we do the DMA, not
> after. Before the DMA it is a recoverable error, after the DMA it is
> data loss/corruption failure.
>
>> put_user_page(struct page *page, bool dirty)
>> {
>> if (!PageAnon(page)) {
>> if (dirty) {
>> // Do the whole dance ie page_mkwrite and all before
>> // calling set_page_dirty()
>> }
>> ...
>> }
>> ...
>> }
>
> Essentially, doing this would require a whole new "dirty a page"
> infrastructure because it is in the IO path, not the page fault
> path.
>
> And, for hardware that does it's own page faults for DMA, this whole
> post-DMA page setup is broken because the pages will have already
> gone through ->page_mkwrite() and be set up correctly already.
>
>>>> For [O2] i believe we can handle that case in the put_user_page()
>>>> function to properly dirty the page without causing filesystem
>>>> freak out.
>>>
>>> I'm pretty sure you can't call ->page_mkwrite() from
>>> put_user_page(), so I don't think this is workable at all.
>>
>> Hu why ? i can not think of any reason whike you could not. User of
>
> It's not a fault path, you can't safely lock pages, you can't take
> fault-path only locks in the IO path (mmap_sem inversion problems),
> etc.
>
Yes, I looked closer at ->page_mkwrite (ext4_page_mkwrite, for example),
and it's clearly doing lock_page(), so it does seem like this particular
detail (calling page_mkwrite from put_user_page) is dead.
> /me has a nagging feeling this was all explained in a previous
> discussions of this patchset...
>
Yes, lots of related discussion definitely happened already, for example
this October thread covered page_mkwrite and interactions with gup:
https://lore.kernel.org/r/20181001061127.GQ31060@dastard
...but so far, this is the first time I recall seeing a proposal to call
page_mkwrite from put_user_page.
thanks,
--
John Hubbard
NVIDIA
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2018-12-04 0:17 [PATCH 0/2] put_user_page*(): start converting the call sites john.hubbard
2018-12-04 0:17 ` [PATCH 1/2] mm: introduce put_user_page*(), placeholder versions john.hubbard
2018-12-04 7:53 ` Mike Rapoport
2018-12-05 1:40 ` John Hubbard
2018-12-04 20:28 ` Dan Williams
2018-12-04 21:56 ` John Hubbard
2018-12-04 23:03 ` Dan Williams
2018-12-05 0:36 ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-05 0:40 ` Dan Williams
2018-12-05 0:59 ` John Hubbard
2018-12-05 0:58 ` John Hubbard
2018-12-05 1:00 ` Dan Williams
2018-12-05 1:15 ` Matthew Wilcox
2018-12-05 1:44 ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-05 1:57 ` John Hubbard
2018-12-07 2:45 ` John Hubbard
2018-12-07 19:16 ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-07 19:26 ` Dan Williams
2018-12-07 19:40 ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-08 0:52 ` John Hubbard
2018-12-08 2:24 ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-10 10:28 ` Jan Kara
2018-12-12 15:03 ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-12 16:27 ` Dan Williams
2018-12-12 17:02 ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-12 17:49 ` Dan Williams
2018-12-12 19:07 ` John Hubbard
2018-12-12 21:30 ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-12 21:40 ` Dan Williams
2018-12-12 21:53 ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-12 22:11 ` Matthew Wilcox
2018-12-12 22:16 ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-12 23:37 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2018-12-12 23:46 ` John Hubbard
2018-12-12 23:54 ` Dan Williams
2018-12-13 0:01 ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-13 0:18 ` Dan Williams
2018-12-13 0:44 ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-13 3:26 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2018-12-13 3:20 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2018-12-13 12:43 ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-13 13:40 ` Tom Talpey
2018-12-13 14:18 ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-13 14:51 ` Tom Talpey
2018-12-13 15:18 ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-13 18:12 ` Tom Talpey
2018-12-13 19:18 ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-14 10:41 ` Jan Kara
2018-12-14 15:25 ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-12 21:56 ` John Hubbard
2018-12-12 22:04 ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-12 22:11 ` John Hubbard
2018-12-12 22:14 ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-12 22:17 ` John Hubbard
2018-12-12 21:46 ` Dave Chinner
2018-12-12 21:59 ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-13 0:51 ` Dave Chinner
2018-12-13 2:02 ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-13 15:56 ` Christopher Lameter
2018-12-13 16:02 ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-14 6:00 ` Dave Chinner
2018-12-14 15:13 ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-14 3:52 ` John Hubbard [this message]
2018-12-14 5:21 ` Dan Williams
2018-12-14 6:11 ` John Hubbard
2018-12-14 15:20 ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-14 19:38 ` Dan Williams
2018-12-14 19:48 ` Matthew Wilcox
2018-12-14 19:53 ` Dave Hansen
2018-12-14 20:03 ` Matthew Wilcox
2018-12-14 20:17 ` Dan Williams
2018-12-14 20:29 ` Matthew Wilcox
2018-12-15 0:41 ` John Hubbard
2018-12-17 8:56 ` Jan Kara
2018-12-17 18:28 ` Dan Williams
2018-12-14 15:43 ` Jan Kara
2018-12-16 21:58 ` Dave Chinner
2018-12-17 18:11 ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-17 18:34 ` Matthew Wilcox
2018-12-17 19:48 ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-17 19:51 ` Matthew Wilcox
2018-12-17 19:54 ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-17 19:59 ` Matthew Wilcox
2018-12-17 20:55 ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-17 21:03 ` Matthew Wilcox
2018-12-17 21:15 ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-18 1:09 ` Dave Chinner
2018-12-18 6:12 ` Darrick J. Wong
2018-12-18 9:30 ` Jan Kara
2018-12-18 23:29 ` John Hubbard
2018-12-19 2:07 ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-19 11:08 ` Jan Kara
2018-12-20 10:54 ` John Hubbard
2018-12-20 16:50 ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-20 16:57 ` Dan Williams
2018-12-20 16:49 ` Jerome Glisse
2019-01-03 1:55 ` Jerome Glisse
2019-01-03 3:27 ` John Hubbard
2019-01-03 14:57 ` Jerome Glisse
2019-01-03 9:26 ` Jan Kara
2019-01-03 14:44 ` Jerome Glisse
2019-01-11 2:59 ` John Hubbard
2019-01-11 2:59 ` John Hubbard
2019-01-11 16:51 ` Jerome Glisse
2019-01-11 16:51 ` Jerome Glisse
2019-01-12 1:04 ` John Hubbard
2019-01-12 1:04 ` John Hubbard
2019-01-12 2:02 ` Jerome Glisse
2019-01-12 2:02 ` Jerome Glisse
2019-01-12 2:38 ` John Hubbard
2019-01-12 2:38 ` John Hubbard
2019-01-12 2:46 ` Jerome Glisse
2019-01-12 2:46 ` Jerome Glisse
2019-01-12 3:06 ` John Hubbard
2019-01-12 3:06 ` John Hubbard
2019-01-12 3:25 ` Jerome Glisse
2019-01-12 3:25 ` Jerome Glisse
2019-01-12 20:46 ` John Hubbard
2019-01-12 20:46 ` John Hubbard
2019-01-14 14:54 ` Jan Kara
2019-01-14 14:54 ` Jan Kara
2019-01-14 17:21 ` Jerome Glisse
2019-01-14 17:21 ` Jerome Glisse
2019-01-14 19:09 ` John Hubbard
2019-01-14 19:09 ` John Hubbard
2019-01-15 8:34 ` Jan Kara
2019-01-15 8:34 ` Jan Kara
2019-01-15 21:39 ` John Hubbard
2019-01-15 21:39 ` John Hubbard
2019-01-15 8:07 ` Jan Kara
2019-01-15 8:07 ` Jan Kara
2019-01-15 17:15 ` Jerome Glisse
2019-01-15 17:15 ` Jerome Glisse
2019-01-15 21:56 ` John Hubbard
2019-01-15 21:56 ` John Hubbard
2019-01-15 22:12 ` Jerome Glisse
2019-01-15 22:12 ` Jerome Glisse
2019-01-16 0:44 ` John Hubbard
2019-01-16 0:44 ` John Hubbard
2019-01-16 1:56 ` Jerome Glisse
2019-01-16 1:56 ` Jerome Glisse
2019-01-16 2:01 ` Dan Williams
2019-01-16 2:01 ` Dan Williams
2019-01-16 2:23 ` Jerome Glisse
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2019-01-16 4:34 ` Dave Chinner
2019-01-16 4:34 ` Dave Chinner
2019-01-16 14:50 ` Jerome Glisse
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2019-01-16 22:51 ` Dave Chinner
2019-01-16 22:51 ` Dave Chinner
2019-01-16 11:38 ` Jan Kara
2019-01-16 11:38 ` Jan Kara
2019-01-16 13:08 ` Jerome Glisse
2019-01-16 13:08 ` Jerome Glisse
2019-01-17 5:42 ` John Hubbard
2019-01-17 5:42 ` John Hubbard
2019-01-17 15:21 ` Jerome Glisse
2019-01-17 15:21 ` Jerome Glisse
2019-01-18 0:16 ` Dave Chinner
2019-01-18 1:59 ` Jerome Glisse
2019-01-17 9:30 ` Jan Kara
2019-01-17 9:30 ` Jan Kara
2019-01-17 15:17 ` Jerome Glisse
2019-01-17 15:17 ` Jerome Glisse
2019-01-22 15:24 ` Jan Kara
2019-01-22 16:46 ` Jerome Glisse
2019-01-23 18:02 ` Jan Kara
2019-01-23 19:04 ` Jerome Glisse
2019-01-29 0:22 ` John Hubbard
2019-01-29 1:23 ` Jerome Glisse
2019-01-29 6:41 ` John Hubbard
2019-01-29 10:12 ` Jan Kara
2019-01-30 2:21 ` John Hubbard
2019-01-17 5:25 ` John Hubbard
2019-01-17 5:25 ` John Hubbard
2019-01-17 9:04 ` Jan Kara
2019-01-17 9:04 ` Jan Kara
2019-01-12 3:14 ` Jerome Glisse
2019-01-12 3:14 ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-18 10:33 ` Jan Kara
2018-12-18 23:42 ` Dave Chinner
2018-12-19 3:03 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2018-12-19 5:26 ` Dan Williams
2018-12-19 11:19 ` Jan Kara
2018-12-19 10:28 ` Dave Chinner
2018-12-19 11:35 ` Jan Kara
2018-12-19 16:56 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2018-12-19 22:33 ` Dave Chinner
2018-12-20 9:07 ` Jan Kara
2018-12-20 16:54 ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-19 13:24 ` Jan Kara
2018-12-08 5:18 ` Matthew Wilcox
2018-12-12 19:13 ` John Hubbard
2018-12-08 7:16 ` Dan Williams
2018-12-08 16:33 ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-08 16:48 ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-12-08 17:47 ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-08 18:26 ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-12-08 18:45 ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-08 18:09 ` Dan Williams
2018-12-08 18:12 ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-12-11 6:18 ` Dave Chinner
2018-12-05 5:52 ` Dan Williams
2018-12-05 11:16 ` Jan Kara
2018-12-04 0:17 ` [PATCH 2/2] infiniband/mm: convert put_page() to put_user_page*() john.hubbard
2018-12-04 17:10 ` [PATCH 0/2] put_user_page*(): start converting the call sites David Laight
2018-12-05 1:05 ` John Hubbard
2018-12-05 14:08 ` David Laight
2018-12-28 8:37 ` Pavel Machek
2019-02-08 7:56 [PATCH 0/2] mm: put_user_page() call site conversion first john.hubbard
2019-02-08 7:56 ` [PATCH 1/2] mm: introduce put_user_page*(), placeholder versions john.hubbard
2019-02-08 10:32 ` Mike Rapoport
2019-02-08 20:44 ` John Hubbard
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