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From: Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>
To: John Hubbard <jhubbard@nvidia.com>
Cc: david <david@fromorbit.com>, "Jérôme Glisse" <jglisse@redhat.com>,
	"Jan Kara" <jack@suse.cz>, "Matthew Wilcox" <willy@infradead.org>,
	"John Hubbard" <john.hubbard@gmail.com>,
	"Andrew Morton" <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	"Linux MM" <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	tom@talpey.com, "Al Viro" <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
	benve@cisco.com, "Christoph Hellwig" <hch@infradead.org>,
	"Christopher Lameter" <cl@linux.com>,
	"Dalessandro, Dennis" <dennis.dalessandro@intel.com>,
	"Doug Ledford" <dledford@redhat.com>,
	"Jason Gunthorpe" <jgg@ziepe.ca>,
	"Michal Hocko" <mhocko@kernel.org>,
	"Mike Marciniszyn" <mike.marciniszyn@intel.com>,
	rcampbell@nvidia.com,
	"Linux Kernel Mailing List" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-fsdevel <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Dave Hansen" <dave.hansen@intel.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/2] mm: introduce put_user_page*(), placeholder versions
Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2018 11:38:59 -0800
Message-ID: <CAPcyv4hrbA9H20bi+QMpKNi7r=egstt61MdQSD5Fb293W1btaw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <01cf4e0c-b2d6-225a-3ee9-ef0f7e53684d@nvidia.com>

On Thu, Dec 13, 2018 at 10:11 PM John Hubbard <jhubbard@nvidia.com> wrote:
>
> On 12/13/18 9:21 PM, Dan Williams wrote:
> > On Thu, Dec 13, 2018 at 7:53 PM John Hubbard <jhubbard@nvidia.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> On 12/12/18 4:51 PM, Dave Chinner wrote:
> >>> On Wed, Dec 12, 2018 at 04:59:31PM -0500, Jerome Glisse wrote:
> >>>> On Thu, Dec 13, 2018 at 08:46:41AM +1100, Dave Chinner wrote:
> >>>>> On Wed, Dec 12, 2018 at 10:03:20AM -0500, Jerome Glisse wrote:
> >>>>>> On Mon, Dec 10, 2018 at 11:28:46AM +0100, Jan Kara wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Fri 07-12-18 21:24:46, Jerome Glisse wrote:
> >>>>>>> So this approach doesn't look like a win to me over using counter in struct
> >>>>>>> page and I'd rather try looking into squeezing HMM public page usage of
> >>>>>>> struct page so that we can fit that gup counter there as well. I know that
> >>>>>>> it may be easier said than done...
> >>>>>>
> >>
> >> Agreed. After all the discussion this week, I'm thinking that the original idea
> >> of a per-struct-page counter is better. Fortunately, we can do the moral equivalent
> >> of that, unless I'm overlooking something: Jerome had another proposal that he
> >> described, off-list, for doing that counting, and his idea avoids the problem of
> >> finding space in struct page. (And in fact, when I responded yesterday, I initially
> >> thought that's where he was going with this.)
> >>
> >> So how about this hybrid solution:
> >>
> >> 1. Stay with the basic RFC approach of using a per-page counter, but actually
> >> store the counter(s) in the mappings instead of the struct page. We can use
> >> !PageAnon and page_mapping to look up all the mappings, stash the dma_pinned_count
> >> there. So the total pinned count is scattered across mappings. Probably still need
> >> a PageDmaPinned bit.
> >
> > How do you safely look at page->mapping from the get_user_pages_fast()
> > path? You'll be racing invalidation disconnecting the page from the
> > mapping.
> >
>
> I don't have an answer for that, so maybe the page->mapping idea is dead already.
>
> So in that case, there is still one more way to do all of this, which is to
> combine ZONE_DEVICE, HMM, and gup/dma information in a per-page struct, and get
> there via basically page->private, more or less like this:

If we're going to allocate something new out-of-line then maybe we
should go even further to allow for a page "proxy" object to front a
real struct page. This idea arose from Dave Hansen as I explained to
him the dax-reflink problem, and dovetails with Dave Chinner's
suggestion earlier in this thread for dax-reflink.

Have get_user_pages() allocate a proxy object that gets passed around
to drivers. Something like a struct page pointer with bit 0 set. This
would add a conditional branch and pointer chase to many page
operations, like page_to_pfn(), I thought something like it would be
unacceptable a few years ago, but then HMM went and added similar
overhead to put_page() and nobody balked.

This has the additional benefit of catching cases that might be doing
a get_page() on a get_user_pages() result and should instead switch to
a "ref_user_page()" (opposite of put_user_page()) as the API to take
additional references on a get_user_pages() result.

page->index and page->mapping could be overridden by similar
attributes in the proxy, and allow an N:1 relationship of proxy
instances to actual pages. Filesystems could generate dynamic proxies
as well.

The auxiliary information (dev_pagemap, hmm_data, etc...) moves to the
proxy and stops polluting the base struct page which remains the
canonical location for dirty-tracking and dma operations.

The difficulties are reconciling the source of the proxies as both
get_user_pages() and filesystem may want to be the source of the
allocation. In the get_user_pages_fast() path we may not be able to
ask the filesystem for the proxy, at least not without destroying the
performance expectations of get_user_pages_fast().

>
> diff --git a/include/linux/mm_types.h b/include/linux/mm_types.h
> index 5ed8f6292a53..13f651bb5cc1 100644
> --- a/include/linux/mm_types.h
> +++ b/include/linux/mm_types.h
> @@ -67,6 +67,13 @@ struct hmm;
>  #define _struct_page_alignment
>  #endif
>
> +struct page_aux {
> +       struct dev_pagemap *pgmap;
> +       unsigned long hmm_data;
> +       unsigned long private;
> +       atomic_t dma_pinned_count;
> +};
> +
>  struct page {
>         unsigned long flags;            /* Atomic flags, some possibly
>                                          * updated asynchronously */
> @@ -149,11 +156,13 @@ struct page {
>                         spinlock_t ptl;
>  #endif
>                 };
> -               struct {        /* ZONE_DEVICE pages */
> +               struct {        /* ZONE_DEVICE, HMM or get_user_pages() pages */
>                         /** @pgmap: Points to the hosting device page map. */
> -                       struct dev_pagemap *pgmap;
> -                       unsigned long hmm_data;
> -                       unsigned long _zd_pad_1;        /* uses mapping */
> +                       unsigned long _zd_pad_1;        /* LRU */
> +                       unsigned long _zd_pad_2;        /* LRU */
> +                       unsigned long _zd_pad_3;        /* mapping */
> +                       unsigned long _zd_pad_4;        /* index */
> +                       struct page_aux *aux;           /* private */
>                 };
>
>                 /** @rcu_head: You can use this to free a page by RCU. */
>
> ...is there any appetite for that approach?
>
> --
> thanks,
> John Hubbard
> NVIDIA

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Thread overview: 213+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-12-04  0:17 [PATCH 0/2] put_user_page*(): start converting the call sites john.hubbard
2018-12-04  0:17 ` [PATCH 1/2] mm: introduce put_user_page*(), placeholder versions john.hubbard
2018-12-04  7:53   ` Mike Rapoport
2018-12-05  1:40     ` John Hubbard
2018-12-04 20:28   ` Dan Williams
2018-12-04 21:56     ` John Hubbard
2018-12-04 23:03       ` Dan Williams
2018-12-05  0:36         ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-05  0:40           ` Dan Williams
2018-12-05  0:59             ` John Hubbard
2018-12-05  0:58         ` John Hubbard
2018-12-05  1:00           ` Dan Williams
2018-12-05  1:15           ` Matthew Wilcox
2018-12-05  1:44             ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-05  1:57               ` John Hubbard
2018-12-07  2:45                 ` John Hubbard
2018-12-07 19:16                   ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-07 19:26                     ` Dan Williams
2018-12-07 19:40                       ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-08  0:52                     ` John Hubbard
2018-12-08  2:24                       ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-10 10:28                         ` Jan Kara
2018-12-12 15:03                           ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-12 16:27                             ` Dan Williams
2018-12-12 17:02                               ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-12 17:49                                 ` Dan Williams
2018-12-12 19:07                                   ` John Hubbard
2018-12-12 21:30                               ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-12 21:40                                 ` Dan Williams
2018-12-12 21:53                                   ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-12 22:11                                     ` Matthew Wilcox
2018-12-12 22:16                                       ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-12 23:37                                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2018-12-12 23:46                                       ` John Hubbard
2018-12-12 23:54                                       ` Dan Williams
2018-12-13  0:01                                       ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-13  0:18                                         ` Dan Williams
2018-12-13  0:44                                           ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-13  3:26                                             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2018-12-13  3:20                                         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2018-12-13 12:43                                           ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-13 13:40                                             ` Tom Talpey
2018-12-13 14:18                                               ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-13 14:51                                                 ` Tom Talpey
2018-12-13 15:18                                                   ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-13 18:12                                                     ` Tom Talpey
2018-12-13 19:18                                                       ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-14 10:41                                             ` Jan Kara
2018-12-14 15:25                                               ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-12 21:56                                 ` John Hubbard
2018-12-12 22:04                                   ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-12 22:11                                     ` John Hubbard
2018-12-12 22:14                                       ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-12 22:17                                         ` John Hubbard
2018-12-12 21:46                             ` Dave Chinner
2018-12-12 21:59                               ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-13  0:51                                 ` Dave Chinner
2018-12-13  2:02                                   ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-13 15:56                                     ` Christopher Lameter
2018-12-13 16:02                                       ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-14  6:00                                     ` Dave Chinner
2018-12-14 15:13                                       ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-14  3:52                                   ` John Hubbard
2018-12-14  5:21                                     ` Dan Williams
2018-12-14  6:11                                       ` John Hubbard
2018-12-14 15:20                                         ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-14 19:38                                         ` Dan Williams [this message]
2018-12-14 19:48                                           ` Matthew Wilcox
2018-12-14 19:53                                             ` Dave Hansen
2018-12-14 20:03                                               ` Matthew Wilcox
2018-12-14 20:17                                                 ` Dan Williams
2018-12-14 20:29                                                   ` Matthew Wilcox
2018-12-15  0:41                                                 ` John Hubbard
2018-12-17  8:56                                           ` Jan Kara
2018-12-17 18:28                                             ` Dan Williams
2018-12-14 15:43                               ` Jan Kara
2018-12-16 21:58                                 ` Dave Chinner
2018-12-17 18:11                                   ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-17 18:34                                     ` Matthew Wilcox
2018-12-17 19:48                                       ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-17 19:51                                         ` Matthew Wilcox
2018-12-17 19:54                                           ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-17 19:59                                             ` Matthew Wilcox
2018-12-17 20:55                                               ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-17 21:03                                                 ` Matthew Wilcox
2018-12-17 21:15                                                   ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-18  1:09                                       ` Dave Chinner
2018-12-18  6:12                                       ` Darrick J. Wong
2018-12-18  9:30                                       ` Jan Kara
2018-12-18 23:29                                         ` John Hubbard
2018-12-19  2:07                                           ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-19 11:08                                             ` Jan Kara
2018-12-20 10:54                                               ` John Hubbard
2018-12-20 16:50                                                 ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-20 16:57                                                   ` Dan Williams
2018-12-20 16:49                                               ` Jerome Glisse
2019-01-03  1:55                                               ` Jerome Glisse
2019-01-03  3:27                                                 ` John Hubbard
2019-01-03 14:57                                                   ` Jerome Glisse
2019-01-03  9:26                                                 ` Jan Kara
2019-01-03 14:44                                                   ` Jerome Glisse
2019-01-11  2:59                                                     ` John Hubbard
2019-01-11  2:59                                                       ` John Hubbard
2019-01-11 16:51                                                       ` Jerome Glisse
2019-01-11 16:51                                                         ` Jerome Glisse
2019-01-12  1:04                                                         ` John Hubbard
2019-01-12  1:04                                                           ` John Hubbard
2019-01-12  2:02                                                           ` Jerome Glisse
2019-01-12  2:02                                                             ` Jerome Glisse
2019-01-12  2:38                                                             ` John Hubbard
2019-01-12  2:38                                                               ` John Hubbard
2019-01-12  2:46                                                               ` Jerome Glisse
2019-01-12  2:46                                                                 ` Jerome Glisse
2019-01-12  3:06                                                                 ` John Hubbard
2019-01-12  3:06                                                                   ` John Hubbard
2019-01-12  3:25                                                                   ` Jerome Glisse
2019-01-12  3:25                                                                     ` Jerome Glisse
2019-01-12 20:46                                                                     ` John Hubbard
2019-01-12 20:46                                                                       ` John Hubbard
2019-01-14 14:54                                                                   ` Jan Kara
2019-01-14 14:54                                                                     ` Jan Kara
2019-01-14 17:21                                                                     ` Jerome Glisse
2019-01-14 17:21                                                                       ` Jerome Glisse
2019-01-14 19:09                                                                       ` John Hubbard
2019-01-14 19:09                                                                         ` John Hubbard
2019-01-15  8:34                                                                         ` Jan Kara
2019-01-15  8:34                                                                           ` Jan Kara
2019-01-15 21:39                                                                           ` John Hubbard
2019-01-15 21:39                                                                             ` John Hubbard
2019-01-15  8:07                                                                       ` Jan Kara
2019-01-15  8:07                                                                         ` Jan Kara
2019-01-15 17:15                                                                         ` Jerome Glisse
2019-01-15 17:15                                                                           ` Jerome Glisse
2019-01-15 21:56                                                                           ` John Hubbard
2019-01-15 21:56                                                                             ` John Hubbard
2019-01-15 22:12                                                                             ` Jerome Glisse
2019-01-15 22:12                                                                               ` Jerome Glisse
2019-01-16  0:44                                                                               ` John Hubbard
2019-01-16  0:44                                                                                 ` John Hubbard
2019-01-16  1:56                                                                                 ` Jerome Glisse
2019-01-16  1:56                                                                                   ` Jerome Glisse
2019-01-16  2:01                                                                                   ` Dan Williams
2019-01-16  2:01                                                                                     ` Dan Williams
2019-01-16  2:23                                                                                     ` Jerome Glisse
2019-01-16  2:23                                                                                       ` Jerome Glisse
2019-01-16  4:34                                                                                       ` Dave Chinner
2019-01-16  4:34                                                                                         ` Dave Chinner
2019-01-16 14:50                                                                                         ` Jerome Glisse
2019-01-16 14:50                                                                                           ` Jerome Glisse
2019-01-16 22:51                                                                                           ` Dave Chinner
2019-01-16 22:51                                                                                             ` Dave Chinner
2019-01-16 11:38                                                                         ` Jan Kara
2019-01-16 11:38                                                                           ` Jan Kara
2019-01-16 13:08                                                                           ` Jerome Glisse
2019-01-16 13:08                                                                             ` Jerome Glisse
2019-01-17  5:42                                                                             ` John Hubbard
2019-01-17  5:42                                                                               ` John Hubbard
2019-01-17 15:21                                                                               ` Jerome Glisse
2019-01-17 15:21                                                                                 ` Jerome Glisse
2019-01-18  0:16                                                                                 ` Dave Chinner
2019-01-18  1:59                                                                                   ` Jerome Glisse
2019-01-17  9:30                                                                             ` Jan Kara
2019-01-17  9:30                                                                               ` Jan Kara
2019-01-17 15:17                                                                               ` Jerome Glisse
2019-01-17 15:17                                                                                 ` Jerome Glisse
2019-01-22 15:24                                                                                 ` Jan Kara
2019-01-22 16:46                                                                                   ` Jerome Glisse
2019-01-23 18:02                                                                                     ` Jan Kara
2019-01-23 19:04                                                                                       ` Jerome Glisse
2019-01-29  0:22                                                                                         ` John Hubbard
2019-01-29  1:23                                                                                           ` Jerome Glisse
2019-01-29  6:41                                                                                             ` John Hubbard
2019-01-29 10:12                                                                                               ` Jan Kara
2019-01-30  2:21                                                                                                 ` John Hubbard
2019-01-17  5:25                                                                         ` John Hubbard
2019-01-17  5:25                                                                           ` John Hubbard
2019-01-17  9:04                                                                           ` Jan Kara
2019-01-17  9:04                                                                             ` Jan Kara
2019-01-12  3:14                                                               ` Jerome Glisse
2019-01-12  3:14                                                                 ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-18 10:33                                   ` Jan Kara
2018-12-18 23:42                                     ` Dave Chinner
2018-12-19  3:03                                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2018-12-19  5:26                                         ` Dan Williams
2018-12-19 11:19                                           ` Jan Kara
2018-12-19 10:28                                         ` Dave Chinner
2018-12-19 11:35                                           ` Jan Kara
2018-12-19 16:56                                             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2018-12-19 22:33                                             ` Dave Chinner
2018-12-20  9:07                                               ` Jan Kara
2018-12-20 16:54                                               ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-19 13:24                                       ` Jan Kara
2018-12-08  5:18                       ` Matthew Wilcox
2018-12-12 19:13                         ` John Hubbard
2018-12-08  7:16                       ` Dan Williams
2018-12-08 16:33                         ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-08 16:48                           ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-12-08 17:47                             ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-08 18:26                               ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-12-08 18:45                                 ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-08 18:09                             ` Dan Williams
2018-12-08 18:12                               ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-12-11  6:18                               ` Dave Chinner
2018-12-05  5:52             ` Dan Williams
2018-12-05 11:16       ` Jan Kara
2018-12-04  0:17 ` [PATCH 2/2] infiniband/mm: convert put_page() to put_user_page*() john.hubbard
2018-12-04 17:10 ` [PATCH 0/2] put_user_page*(): start converting the call sites David Laight
2018-12-05  1:05   ` John Hubbard
2018-12-05 14:08     ` David Laight
2018-12-28  8:37       ` Pavel Machek
2019-02-08  7:56 [PATCH 0/2] mm: put_user_page() call site conversion first john.hubbard
2019-02-08  7:56 ` [PATCH 1/2] mm: introduce put_user_page*(), placeholder versions john.hubbard
2019-02-08 10:32   ` Mike Rapoport
2019-02-08 20:44     ` John Hubbard

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