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From: John Hubbard <jhubbard@nvidia.com>
To: "Dan Williams" <dan.j.williams@intel.com>,
	"Jérôme Glisse" <jglisse@redhat.com>
Cc: Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>, Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>,
	John Hubbard <john.hubbard@gmail.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
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	Doug Ledford <dledford@redhat.com>,
	Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@ziepe.ca>, Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org>,
	Mike Marciniszyn <mike.marciniszyn@intel.com>,
	<rcampbell@nvidia.com>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/2] mm: introduce put_user_page*(), placeholder versions
Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2018 11:07:52 -0800
Message-ID: <78dc9959-5e9c-8a57-05e4-da02f688cc24@nvidia.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAPcyv4hnQ-4DKwtrJjy9euvJvRf_sDO+1hbxuFCQv5m9qd9Drg@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/12/18 9:49 AM, Dan Williams wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 12, 2018 at 9:02 AM Jerome Glisse <jglisse@redhat.com> wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 12, 2018 at 08:27:35AM -0800, Dan Williams wrote:
>>> On Wed, Dec 12, 2018 at 7:03 AM Jerome Glisse <jglisse@redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Dec 10, 2018 at 11:28:46AM +0100, Jan Kara wrote:
>>>>> On Fri 07-12-18 21:24:46, Jerome Glisse wrote:
>>>>>> Another crazy idea, why not treating GUP as another mapping of the page
>>>>>> and caller of GUP would have to provide either a fake anon_vma struct or
>>>>>> a fake vma struct (or both for PRIVATE mapping of a file where you can
>>>>>> have a mix of both private and file page thus only if it is a read only
>>>>>> GUP) that would get added to the list of existing mapping.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So the flow would be:
>>>>>>     somefunction_thatuse_gup()
>>>>>>     {
>>>>>>         ...
>>>>>>         GUP(_fast)(vma, ..., fake_anon, fake_vma);
>>>>>>         ...
>>>>>>     }
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     GUP(vma, ..., fake_anon, fake_vma)
>>>>>>     {
>>>>>>         if (vma->flags == ANON) {
>>>>>>             // Add the fake anon vma to the anon vma chain as a child
>>>>>>             // of current vma
>>>>>>         } else {
>>>>>>             // Add the fake vma to the mapping tree
>>>>>>         }
>>>>>>
>>>>>>         // The existing GUP except that now it inc mapcount and not
>>>>>>         // refcount
>>>>>>         GUP_old(..., &nanonymous, &nfiles);
>>>>>>
>>>>>>         atomic_add(&fake_anon->refcount, nanonymous);
>>>>>>         atomic_add(&fake_vma->refcount, nfiles);
>>>>>>
>>>>>>         return nanonymous + nfiles;
>>>>>>     }
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for your idea! This is actually something like I was suggesting back
>>>>> at LSF/MM in Deer Valley. There were two downsides to this I remember
>>>>> people pointing out:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1) This cannot really work with __get_user_pages_fast(). You're not allowed
>>>>> to get necessary locks to insert new entry into the VMA tree in that
>>>>> context. So essentially we'd loose get_user_pages_fast() functionality.
>>>>>
>>>>> 2) The overhead e.g. for direct IO may be noticeable. You need to allocate
>>>>> the fake tracking VMA, get VMA interval tree lock, insert into the tree.
>>>>> Then on IO completion you need to queue work to unpin the pages again as you
>>>>> cannot remove the fake VMA directly from interrupt context where the IO is
>>>>> completed.
>>>>>
>>>>> You are right that the cost could be amortized if gup() is called for
>>>>> multiple consecutive pages however for small IOs there's no help...
>>>>>
>>>>> So this approach doesn't look like a win to me over using counter in struct
>>>>> page and I'd rather try looking into squeezing HMM public page usage of
>>>>> struct page so that we can fit that gup counter there as well. I know that
>>>>> it may be easier said than done...
>>>>
>>>> So i want back to the drawing board and first i would like to ascertain
>>>> that we all agree on what the objectives are:
>>>>
>>>>     [O1] Avoid write back from a page still being written by either a
>>>>          device or some direct I/O or any other existing user of GUP.
>>>>          This would avoid possible file system corruption.
>>>>
>>>>     [O2] Avoid crash when set_page_dirty() is call on a page that is
>>>>          considered clean by core mm (buffer head have been remove and
>>>>          with some file system this turns into an ugly mess).
>>>>
>>>>     [O3] DAX and the device block problems, ie with DAX the page map in
>>>>          userspace is the same as the block (persistent memory) and no
>>>>          filesystem nor block device understand page as block or pinned
>>>>          block.
>>>>
>>>> For [O3] i don't think any pin count would help in anyway. I believe
>>>> that the current long term GUP API that does not allow GUP of DAX is
>>>> the only sane solution for now.
>>>
>>> No, that's not a sane solution, it's an emergency hack.
>>
>> Then how do you want to solve it ? Knowing pin count does not help
>> you, at least i do not see how that would help and if it does then
>> my solution allow you to know pin count it is the difference between
>> real mapping and mapcount value.
> 
> True, pin count doesn't help, and indefinite waits are intolerable, so
> I think we need to make "long term" GUP revokable, but otherwise
> hopefully use the put_user_page() scheme to replace the use of the pin
> count for dax_layout_busy_page().
> 
>>>> The real fix would be to teach file-
>>>> system about DAX/pinned block so that a pinned block is not reuse
>>>> by filesystem.
>>>
>>> We already have taught filesystems about pinned dax pages, see
>>> dax_layout_busy_page(). As much as possible I want to eliminate the
>>> concept of "dax pages" as a special case that gets sprinkled
>>> throughout the mm.
>>>
>>>> For [O1] and [O2] i believe a solution with mapcount would work. So
>>>> no new struct, no fake vma, nothing like that. In GUP for file back
>>>> pages
>>>
>>> With get_user_pages_fast() we don't know that we have a file-backed
>>> page, because we don't have a vma.
>>
>> You do not need a vma to know that we have PageAnon() for that so my
>> solution is just about adding to core GUP page table walker:
>>
>>     if (!PageAnon(page))
>>         atomic_inc(&page->mapcount);
> 
> Ah, ok, would need to add proper mapcount manipulation for dax and
> audit that nothing makes page-cache assumptions based on a non-zero
> mapcount.
> 
>> Then in put_user_page() you add the opposite. In page_mkclean() you
>> count the number of real mapping and voilà ... you got an answer for
>> [O1]. You could use the same count real mapping to get the pin count
>> in other place that cares about it but i fails to see why the actual
>> pin count value would matter to any one.
> 
> Sounds like a could work... devil is in the details.
> 

I also like this solution. It uses existing information and existing pointers
(PageAnon, page_mapping) plus a tiny bit more (another pointer in struct 
address_space, probably, and that's not a size-contentious struct) to figure
out the DMA pinned count, which neatly avoids the struct page contention that I 
ran into. 

Thanks for coming up with this! I'll put together a patchset that shows the details
so we can all take a closer look. This is on the top of my list.


-- 
thanks,
John Hubbard
NVIDIA

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Thread overview: 213+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-12-04  0:17 [PATCH 0/2] put_user_page*(): start converting the call sites john.hubbard
2018-12-04  0:17 ` [PATCH 1/2] mm: introduce put_user_page*(), placeholder versions john.hubbard
2018-12-04  7:53   ` Mike Rapoport
2018-12-05  1:40     ` John Hubbard
2018-12-04 20:28   ` Dan Williams
2018-12-04 21:56     ` John Hubbard
2018-12-04 23:03       ` Dan Williams
2018-12-05  0:36         ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-05  0:40           ` Dan Williams
2018-12-05  0:59             ` John Hubbard
2018-12-05  0:58         ` John Hubbard
2018-12-05  1:00           ` Dan Williams
2018-12-05  1:15           ` Matthew Wilcox
2018-12-05  1:44             ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-05  1:57               ` John Hubbard
2018-12-07  2:45                 ` John Hubbard
2018-12-07 19:16                   ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-07 19:26                     ` Dan Williams
2018-12-07 19:40                       ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-08  0:52                     ` John Hubbard
2018-12-08  2:24                       ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-10 10:28                         ` Jan Kara
2018-12-12 15:03                           ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-12 16:27                             ` Dan Williams
2018-12-12 17:02                               ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-12 17:49                                 ` Dan Williams
2018-12-12 19:07                                   ` John Hubbard [this message]
2018-12-12 21:30                               ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-12 21:40                                 ` Dan Williams
2018-12-12 21:53                                   ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-12 22:11                                     ` Matthew Wilcox
2018-12-12 22:16                                       ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-12 23:37                                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2018-12-12 23:46                                       ` John Hubbard
2018-12-12 23:54                                       ` Dan Williams
2018-12-13  0:01                                       ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-13  0:18                                         ` Dan Williams
2018-12-13  0:44                                           ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-13  3:26                                             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2018-12-13  3:20                                         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2018-12-13 12:43                                           ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-13 13:40                                             ` Tom Talpey
2018-12-13 14:18                                               ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-13 14:51                                                 ` Tom Talpey
2018-12-13 15:18                                                   ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-13 18:12                                                     ` Tom Talpey
2018-12-13 19:18                                                       ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-14 10:41                                             ` Jan Kara
2018-12-14 15:25                                               ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-12 21:56                                 ` John Hubbard
2018-12-12 22:04                                   ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-12 22:11                                     ` John Hubbard
2018-12-12 22:14                                       ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-12 22:17                                         ` John Hubbard
2018-12-12 21:46                             ` Dave Chinner
2018-12-12 21:59                               ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-13  0:51                                 ` Dave Chinner
2018-12-13  2:02                                   ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-13 15:56                                     ` Christopher Lameter
2018-12-13 16:02                                       ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-14  6:00                                     ` Dave Chinner
2018-12-14 15:13                                       ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-14  3:52                                   ` John Hubbard
2018-12-14  5:21                                     ` Dan Williams
2018-12-14  6:11                                       ` John Hubbard
2018-12-14 15:20                                         ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-14 19:38                                         ` Dan Williams
2018-12-14 19:48                                           ` Matthew Wilcox
2018-12-14 19:53                                             ` Dave Hansen
2018-12-14 20:03                                               ` Matthew Wilcox
2018-12-14 20:17                                                 ` Dan Williams
2018-12-14 20:29                                                   ` Matthew Wilcox
2018-12-15  0:41                                                 ` John Hubbard
2018-12-17  8:56                                           ` Jan Kara
2018-12-17 18:28                                             ` Dan Williams
2018-12-14 15:43                               ` Jan Kara
2018-12-16 21:58                                 ` Dave Chinner
2018-12-17 18:11                                   ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-17 18:34                                     ` Matthew Wilcox
2018-12-17 19:48                                       ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-17 19:51                                         ` Matthew Wilcox
2018-12-17 19:54                                           ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-17 19:59                                             ` Matthew Wilcox
2018-12-17 20:55                                               ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-17 21:03                                                 ` Matthew Wilcox
2018-12-17 21:15                                                   ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-18  1:09                                       ` Dave Chinner
2018-12-18  6:12                                       ` Darrick J. Wong
2018-12-18  9:30                                       ` Jan Kara
2018-12-18 23:29                                         ` John Hubbard
2018-12-19  2:07                                           ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-19 11:08                                             ` Jan Kara
2018-12-20 10:54                                               ` John Hubbard
2018-12-20 16:50                                                 ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-20 16:57                                                   ` Dan Williams
2018-12-20 16:49                                               ` Jerome Glisse
2019-01-03  1:55                                               ` Jerome Glisse
2019-01-03  3:27                                                 ` John Hubbard
2019-01-03 14:57                                                   ` Jerome Glisse
2019-01-03  9:26                                                 ` Jan Kara
2019-01-03 14:44                                                   ` Jerome Glisse
2019-01-11  2:59                                                     ` John Hubbard
2019-01-11  2:59                                                       ` John Hubbard
2019-01-11 16:51                                                       ` Jerome Glisse
2019-01-11 16:51                                                         ` Jerome Glisse
2019-01-12  1:04                                                         ` John Hubbard
2019-01-12  1:04                                                           ` John Hubbard
2019-01-12  2:02                                                           ` Jerome Glisse
2019-01-12  2:02                                                             ` Jerome Glisse
2019-01-12  2:38                                                             ` John Hubbard
2019-01-12  2:38                                                               ` John Hubbard
2019-01-12  2:46                                                               ` Jerome Glisse
2019-01-12  2:46                                                                 ` Jerome Glisse
2019-01-12  3:06                                                                 ` John Hubbard
2019-01-12  3:06                                                                   ` John Hubbard
2019-01-12  3:25                                                                   ` Jerome Glisse
2019-01-12  3:25                                                                     ` Jerome Glisse
2019-01-12 20:46                                                                     ` John Hubbard
2019-01-12 20:46                                                                       ` John Hubbard
2019-01-14 14:54                                                                   ` Jan Kara
2019-01-14 14:54                                                                     ` Jan Kara
2019-01-14 17:21                                                                     ` Jerome Glisse
2019-01-14 17:21                                                                       ` Jerome Glisse
2019-01-14 19:09                                                                       ` John Hubbard
2019-01-14 19:09                                                                         ` John Hubbard
2019-01-15  8:34                                                                         ` Jan Kara
2019-01-15  8:34                                                                           ` Jan Kara
2019-01-15 21:39                                                                           ` John Hubbard
2019-01-15 21:39                                                                             ` John Hubbard
2019-01-15  8:07                                                                       ` Jan Kara
2019-01-15  8:07                                                                         ` Jan Kara
2019-01-15 17:15                                                                         ` Jerome Glisse
2019-01-15 17:15                                                                           ` Jerome Glisse
2019-01-15 21:56                                                                           ` John Hubbard
2019-01-15 21:56                                                                             ` John Hubbard
2019-01-15 22:12                                                                             ` Jerome Glisse
2019-01-15 22:12                                                                               ` Jerome Glisse
2019-01-16  0:44                                                                               ` John Hubbard
2019-01-16  0:44                                                                                 ` John Hubbard
2019-01-16  1:56                                                                                 ` Jerome Glisse
2019-01-16  1:56                                                                                   ` Jerome Glisse
2019-01-16  2:01                                                                                   ` Dan Williams
2019-01-16  2:01                                                                                     ` Dan Williams
2019-01-16  2:23                                                                                     ` Jerome Glisse
2019-01-16  2:23                                                                                       ` Jerome Glisse
2019-01-16  4:34                                                                                       ` Dave Chinner
2019-01-16  4:34                                                                                         ` Dave Chinner
2019-01-16 14:50                                                                                         ` Jerome Glisse
2019-01-16 14:50                                                                                           ` Jerome Glisse
2019-01-16 22:51                                                                                           ` Dave Chinner
2019-01-16 22:51                                                                                             ` Dave Chinner
2019-01-16 11:38                                                                         ` Jan Kara
2019-01-16 11:38                                                                           ` Jan Kara
2019-01-16 13:08                                                                           ` Jerome Glisse
2019-01-16 13:08                                                                             ` Jerome Glisse
2019-01-17  5:42                                                                             ` John Hubbard
2019-01-17  5:42                                                                               ` John Hubbard
2019-01-17 15:21                                                                               ` Jerome Glisse
2019-01-17 15:21                                                                                 ` Jerome Glisse
2019-01-18  0:16                                                                                 ` Dave Chinner
2019-01-18  1:59                                                                                   ` Jerome Glisse
2019-01-17  9:30                                                                             ` Jan Kara
2019-01-17  9:30                                                                               ` Jan Kara
2019-01-17 15:17                                                                               ` Jerome Glisse
2019-01-17 15:17                                                                                 ` Jerome Glisse
2019-01-22 15:24                                                                                 ` Jan Kara
2019-01-22 16:46                                                                                   ` Jerome Glisse
2019-01-23 18:02                                                                                     ` Jan Kara
2019-01-23 19:04                                                                                       ` Jerome Glisse
2019-01-29  0:22                                                                                         ` John Hubbard
2019-01-29  1:23                                                                                           ` Jerome Glisse
2019-01-29  6:41                                                                                             ` John Hubbard
2019-01-29 10:12                                                                                               ` Jan Kara
2019-01-30  2:21                                                                                                 ` John Hubbard
2019-01-17  5:25                                                                         ` John Hubbard
2019-01-17  5:25                                                                           ` John Hubbard
2019-01-17  9:04                                                                           ` Jan Kara
2019-01-17  9:04                                                                             ` Jan Kara
2019-01-12  3:14                                                               ` Jerome Glisse
2019-01-12  3:14                                                                 ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-18 10:33                                   ` Jan Kara
2018-12-18 23:42                                     ` Dave Chinner
2018-12-19  3:03                                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2018-12-19  5:26                                         ` Dan Williams
2018-12-19 11:19                                           ` Jan Kara
2018-12-19 10:28                                         ` Dave Chinner
2018-12-19 11:35                                           ` Jan Kara
2018-12-19 16:56                                             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2018-12-19 22:33                                             ` Dave Chinner
2018-12-20  9:07                                               ` Jan Kara
2018-12-20 16:54                                               ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-19 13:24                                       ` Jan Kara
2018-12-08  5:18                       ` Matthew Wilcox
2018-12-12 19:13                         ` John Hubbard
2018-12-08  7:16                       ` Dan Williams
2018-12-08 16:33                         ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-08 16:48                           ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-12-08 17:47                             ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-08 18:26                               ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-12-08 18:45                                 ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-08 18:09                             ` Dan Williams
2018-12-08 18:12                               ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-12-11  6:18                               ` Dave Chinner
2018-12-05  5:52             ` Dan Williams
2018-12-05 11:16       ` Jan Kara
2018-12-04  0:17 ` [PATCH 2/2] infiniband/mm: convert put_page() to put_user_page*() john.hubbard
2018-12-04 17:10 ` [PATCH 0/2] put_user_page*(): start converting the call sites David Laight
2018-12-05  1:05   ` John Hubbard
2018-12-05 14:08     ` David Laight
2018-12-28  8:37       ` Pavel Machek
2019-02-08  7:56 [PATCH 0/2] mm: put_user_page() call site conversion first john.hubbard
2019-02-08  7:56 ` [PATCH 1/2] mm: introduce put_user_page*(), placeholder versions john.hubbard
2019-02-08 10:32   ` Mike Rapoport
2019-02-08 20:44     ` John Hubbard

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