From: Tim Jansen <tim@tjansen.de>
To: "Jakob Østergaard " <jakob@unthought.net>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: PROPOSAL: dot-proc interface [was: /proc stuff]
Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2001 17:45:45 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <160QM5-1HAz5sC@fmrl00.sul.t-online.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E15zF9H-0000NL-00@wagner> <160Nyq-2ACgt6C@fmrl07.sul.t-online.com> <20011104163354.C14001@unthought.net>
In-Reply-To: <20011104163354.C14001@unthought.net>
On Sunday 04 November 2001 16:33, you wrote:
> Maintaining the current /proc files is very simple, and it offers the
> system administrator a lot of functionality that isn't reasonable to take
> away now.
> * They should stay in a form close to the current one *
I doubt that it is worthwhile to keep them in the current form for any other
reason than compatibility (with existing software and people's habits).
It doesn't make sense to describe things in 200 different formats, you won't
help anybody with that. It also violates the good old principle of keeping
policy out of the kernel. And, for me, layout is clearly policy.
The reason for proc's popularity is clearly that you can use any tool, from
cat over more/less to the text editor of choice, and read the files. There
should be ways to achieve this without putting things into the kernel. Is
there is a way to implement a filesystem in user-space? What you could do is
to export the raw data using single-value-files, XML or whatever and then
provide an emulation of the old /proc files and possibly new ones in user
space. This could be as simple as writing a shell-script for each emulated
file.
> The dot-proc file is basically a binary encoding of Lisp (or XML), e.g. it
> is a list of elements, wherein an element can itself be a list (or a
Why would anybody want a binary encoding?
It needs special parsers and will be almost impossible to access from shell
scripts.
bye...
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2001-11-01 10:32 [PATCH] 2.5 PROPOSAL: Replacement for current /proc of shit Rusty Russell
2001-11-01 10:42 ` Jeff Garzik
2001-11-01 16:49 ` Martin Dalecki
2001-11-01 17:06 ` Gábor Lénárt
2001-11-01 12:06 ` Tim Jansen
2001-11-01 18:34 ` James Simmons
2001-11-02 1:42 ` Rusty Russell
2001-11-02 1:56 ` Erik Andersen
2001-11-02 11:44 ` Padraig Brady
2001-11-02 9:11 ` Alexander Viro
2001-11-02 12:39 ` Martin Dalecki
2001-11-02 11:57 ` Alexander Viro
2001-11-02 13:55 ` Keith Owens
2001-11-02 15:08 ` Martin Dalecki
2001-11-04 5:36 ` Albert D. Cahalan
2001-11-02 12:46 ` Miquel van Smoorenburg
2001-11-02 2:20 ` Rusty Russell
2001-11-02 13:59 ` Tim Jansen
[not found] ` <20011103103106.7eb6098b.rusty@rustcorp.com.au>
2001-11-03 11:47 ` Tim Jansen
2001-11-03 23:44 ` Rusty Russell
2001-11-04 1:40 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-11-04 2:08 ` Jakob Østergaard
2001-11-04 12:30 ` Tim Jansen
2001-11-04 13:36 ` Daniel Kobras
2001-11-04 14:13 ` Tim Jansen
2001-11-04 15:33 ` PROPOSAL: dot-proc interface [was: /proc stuff] Jakob Østergaard
2001-11-04 16:05 ` Gábor Lénárt
2001-11-04 16:31 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-11-04 17:30 ` Jakob Østergaard
2001-11-04 16:45 ` Tim Jansen [this message]
2001-11-04 17:28 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-11-04 17:41 ` Jakob Østergaard
2001-11-04 17:54 ` SpaceWalker
2001-11-04 20:45 ` Albert D. Cahalan
2001-11-04 17:59 ` John Levon
2001-11-04 18:31 ` Jakob Østergaard
2001-11-04 18:40 ` Alexander Viro
2001-11-04 19:04 ` Jakob Østergaard
2001-11-04 19:24 ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-11-04 19:45 ` Jakob Østergaard
2001-11-04 19:52 ` Alexander Viro
2001-11-04 20:06 ` Jakob Østergaard
2001-11-04 22:01 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-11-04 21:12 ` Albert D. Cahalan
2001-11-04 21:20 ` Jakob Østergaard
2001-11-04 21:42 ` Tim Jansen
2001-11-04 22:13 ` Albert D. Cahalan
2001-11-05 11:23 ` Martin Dalecki
2001-11-05 15:58 ` Alexander Viro
2001-11-05 18:30 ` Martin Dalecki
2001-11-05 23:00 ` Albert D. Cahalan
2001-11-06 13:47 ` Martin Dalecki
2001-11-06 17:13 ` Gerhard Mack
2001-11-05 16:38 ` Stephen Satchell
2001-11-05 18:39 ` Martin Dalecki
2001-11-05 18:28 ` Ben Greear
2001-11-05 18:40 ` Rik van Riel
2001-11-05 21:03 ` Tim Jansen
2001-11-05 21:58 ` Ben Greear
2001-11-05 22:51 ` Tim Jansen
2001-11-05 22:59 ` Erik Andersen
2001-11-05 23:35 ` Tim Jansen
2001-11-05 23:41 ` Alexander Viro
2001-11-06 13:49 ` Martin Dalecki
2001-11-06 19:49 ` dank
2001-11-06 22:22 ` Erik Andersen
2001-11-06 22:47 ` dank
2001-11-06 23:11 ` Erik Andersen
2001-11-06 23:39 ` Ricky Beam
2001-11-07 12:45 ` Remco Post
2001-11-07 1:06 ` George Greer
2001-11-05 19:58 ` Jonathan Lundell
2001-11-05 21:43 ` Stephen Satchell
2001-11-06 5:22 ` Ragnar Hojland Espinosa
2001-11-04 21:22 ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-11-05 4:03 ` Stuart Young
2001-11-05 4:05 ` Alexander Viro
2001-11-05 4:55 ` Stuart Young
2001-11-05 16:32 ` SpaceWalker
2001-11-06 6:46 ` Jakob Østergaard
2001-11-04 19:29 ` Alexander Viro
2001-11-04 19:50 ` Jakob Østergaard
2001-11-04 20:01 ` Alexander Viro
2001-11-04 20:09 ` Jakob Østergaard
2001-11-06 7:23 ` Kai Henningsen
2001-11-06 14:00 ` Jakob Østergaard
2001-11-04 18:27 ` Tim Jansen
2001-11-04 18:35 ` Alexander Viro
2001-11-04 18:39 ` Jakob Østergaard
2001-11-07 1:20 ` Pavel Machek
2001-11-07 21:14 ` Rik van Riel
2000-01-01 0:13 ` Pavel Machek
2001-11-04 18:20 ` Tim Jansen
2001-11-04 18:30 ` Alexander Viro
2001-11-04 18:52 ` Jakob Østergaard
2001-11-04 19:18 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-11-04 21:41 ` Albert D. Cahalan
2001-11-05 11:06 ` Martin Dalecki
2001-11-05 10:28 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-11-05 22:46 ` Albert D. Cahalan
2001-11-06 0:54 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-11-06 1:11 ` Stephen Satchell
2001-11-04 18:46 ` Jakob Østergaard
2001-11-04 19:07 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-11-04 19:20 ` Jakob Østergaard
2001-11-04 19:32 ` Dave Jones
2001-11-04 19:52 ` Jakob Østergaard
2001-11-04 20:06 ` Alexander Viro
2001-11-04 20:11 ` Jakob Østergaard
2001-11-11 10:06 ` Kai Henningsen
2001-11-11 19:43 ` Jakob Østergaard
2001-11-12 13:43 ` Pascal Schmidt
2001-11-13 12:09 ` Jakob Østergaard
2001-11-13 14:41 ` Riley Williams
2001-11-04 22:09 ` Luigi Genoni
2001-11-04 17:48 ` Jakob Østergaard
2001-11-04 18:02 ` John Levon
2001-11-04 18:34 ` Tim Jansen
2001-11-04 18:59 ` Jakob Østergaard
2001-11-04 19:19 ` Tim Jansen
2001-11-04 19:24 ` Jakob Østergaard
2001-11-04 19:41 ` Tim Jansen
2001-11-04 19:55 ` Jakob Østergaard
2001-11-04 20:13 ` Tim Jansen
2001-11-04 20:11 ` Jakob Østergaard
2001-11-04 20:47 ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-11-04 21:02 ` Jakob Østergaard
2001-11-04 22:53 ` Stephen Satchell
2001-11-05 11:04 ` zmwillow
2001-11-05 13:41 ` Petr Baudis
2001-11-05 20:49 ` Tim Jansen
2001-11-05 22:01 ` Ben Greear
[not found] ` <20011105223413.U11619@pasky.ji.cz>
[not found] ` <160rly-1tl3XUC@fmrl05.sul.t-online.com>
2001-11-05 22:07 ` Petr Baudis
2001-11-06 7:25 ` Jakob Østergaard
2001-11-06 8:21 ` Petr Baudis
2001-11-06 8:34 ` Alexander Viro
2001-11-06 13:43 ` Jakob Østergaard
2001-11-06 17:01 ` Petr Baudis
2001-11-05 19:55 ` PROPOSAL: kernfs (was: Re: PROPOSAL: dot-proc interface [was: /proc st Kai Henningsen
2001-11-06 18:56 ` PROPOSAL: /proc standards (was dot-proc interface [was: /proc stuff]) Stephen Satchell
2001-11-06 19:38 ` Ben Greear
2001-11-06 20:12 ` PROPOSAL: /proc standards (was dot-proc interface [was: /proc Erik Hensema
2001-11-06 20:58 ` Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk
2001-11-06 21:43 ` Ricky Beam
2001-11-06 22:14 ` Alexander Viro
2001-11-07 0:33 ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-11-07 7:20 ` Albert D. Cahalan
2001-11-07 8:07 ` Alexander Viro
2001-11-07 17:24 ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-11-07 17:22 ` Blue Lang
2001-11-07 19:21 ` Ricky Beam
2001-11-11 10:27 ` Kai Henningsen
2001-11-08 0:47 ` Albert D. Cahalan
2001-11-08 18:53 ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-11-08 21:28 ` Ricky Beam
2001-11-09 5:15 ` Albert D. Cahalan
2001-11-19 19:22 ` bill davidsen
2001-11-07 0:13 ` Martin Dalecki
2001-11-07 0:40 ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-11-07 1:10 ` Ricky Beam
[not found] ` <Pine.GSO.4.33.0111061947540.17287-100000@sweetums.bluetronic.ne t>
2001-11-07 1:17 ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-11-07 11:32 ` Martin Dalecki
2001-11-07 12:35 ` Remco Post
2001-11-07 23:53 ` Albert D. Cahalan
2001-11-07 22:24 ` Paul P Komkoff Jr
2001-11-07 23:15 ` Phil Howard
2001-11-06 21:24 ` Rik van Riel
2001-11-06 21:45 ` Erik Hensema
2001-11-06 22:06 ` Tim Jansen
2001-11-06 22:28 ` Erik Andersen
2001-11-06 22:33 ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2001-11-06 22:42 ` Erik Andersen
2001-11-06 22:49 ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2001-11-06 22:53 ` Patrick Mochel
2001-11-06 22:52 ` Erik Andersen
2001-11-06 22:46 ` Ben Greear
2001-11-06 22:50 ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2001-11-07 0:17 ` Martin Dalecki
2001-11-06 22:53 ` J . A . Magallon
2001-11-05 16:49 ` [PATCH] 2.5 PROPOSAL: Replacement for current /proc of shit Jonathan Lundell
2001-11-05 20:46 ` Tim Jansen
2001-11-05 23:04 ` Greg KH
2001-11-05 22:19 ` Tim Jansen
2001-11-05 0:12 ` Rusty Russell
2001-11-05 3:34 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-11-05 22:48 ` Rusty Russell
2001-11-06 10:25 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-11-06 15:46 ` Theodore Tso
2001-11-07 23:35 ` Rusty Russell
[not found] <Pine.LNX.4.33.0111041141100.14150-100000@penguin.transmeta.com>
2001-11-04 19:53 ` PROPOSAL: dot-proc interface [was: /proc stuff] Daniel Phillips
2001-11-04 23:06 Craig Thrall
2001-11-04 23:39 ` Jakob Østergaard
[not found] <20011104214229Z17052-23341+37@humbolt.nl.linux.org>
2001-11-04 23:42 ` Alexander Viro
2001-11-05 0:10 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-24 17:42 RFC: booleans and the kernel Jeff Garzik
2002-01-24 18:22 ` Anton Altaparmakov
2002-01-24 18:33 ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2002-01-24 19:28 ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-01-24 19:34 ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2002-01-24 19:43 ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-01-24 19:47 ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2002-01-24 19:46 ` Ingo Oeser
2002-01-24 19:52 ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-01-24 20:03 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-01-24 20:06 ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-01-24 20:14 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-01-24 20:23 ` Alexander Viro
2002-01-24 20:25 ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-01-24 20:35 ` John Levon
2002-01-24 20:15 ` Alexander Viro
2002-01-24 20:21 ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-01-24 20:39 ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-01-24 21:55 ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-01-24 21:57 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-01-24 22:05 ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-01-24 22:13 ` Robert Love
2002-01-24 22:33 ` Xavier Bestel
2002-01-24 22:53 ` Xavier Bestel
2002-01-24 22:59 ` Robert Love
2002-01-24 23:27 ` Xavier Bestel
2002-01-25 6:13 ` Alexander Viro
2002-01-25 8:00 ` Momchil Velikov
2002-01-25 10:51 ` Xavier Bestel
2002-01-25 16:11 ` Olivier Galibert
2002-01-26 7:22 ` Timothy Covell
2002-01-25 7:48 ` Alexander Viro
2002-01-25 23:49 ` J.A. Magallon
2002-01-27 11:27 ` Kai Henningsen
2002-01-25 23:09 ` Timothy Covell
2002-01-25 1:16 ` John Levon
2002-01-25 22:47 ` Timothy Covell
2002-01-25 21:24 ` Timothy Covell
2002-01-24 21:31 ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-01-24 22:19 ` Robert Love
2002-01-24 22:38 ` Robert Love
2002-01-25 22:44 ` Timothy Covell
2002-01-25 3:52 ` Ragnar Hojland Espinosa
2002-01-25 20:39 ` Calin A. Culianu
2002-01-25 23:07 ` Rick Stevens
2002-01-25 19:02 ` Kai Henningsen
2002-01-27 1:33 ` Timothy Covell
2002-01-26 2:56 ` Jamie Lokier
2002-01-27 11:18 ` Kai Henningsen
2002-01-25 22:30 ` Timothy Covell
2002-01-24 22:36 ` Alexander Viro
2002-01-25 6:36 ` Kai Henningsen
[not found] ` <200201250900.g0P8xoL10082@home.ashavan.org.>
2002-01-29 6:36 ` Nix N. Nix
2002-01-25 21:43 ` Timothy Covell
2002-01-24 21:50 ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-01-24 22:21 ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-01-25 15:07 ` Werner Almesberger
2002-01-25 15:21 ` Jakub Jelinek
2002-01-25 16:45 ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-01-25 11:07 ` Helge Hafting
2002-01-24 22:33 ` Chris Wedgwood
2002-01-24 22:44 ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-01-26 10:22 ` Chris Wedgwood
2002-01-25 2:00 ` Erik Andersen
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