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From: Erik Andersen <andersen@codepoet.org>
To: dank@trellisinc.com
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: PROPOSAL: dot-proc interface [was: /proc stuff]
Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 16:11:54 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20011106161154.B32343@codepoet.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20011106152215.A31923@codepoet.org> <20011106224753.7D45EA3B90@fancypants.trellisinc.com>
In-Reply-To: <20011106224753.7D45EA3B90@fancypants.trellisinc.com>

On Tue Nov 06, 2001 at 05:47:53PM -0500, dank@trellisinc.com wrote:
> In article <20011106152215.A31923@codepoet.org> you wrote:
> > Sorry, no doughnut for you.  drivers/block/genhd.c:
> 
> >    #ifdef CONFIG_PROC_FS
> >    int get_partition_list(char *page, char **start, off_t offset, int count)
> >        char buf[64];
> > so each /proc/partitions line maxes out at 63 bytes.  So not only
> > is there no overflow, I am providing 16 extra bytes of padding.
> 
> "code poet?"  you've plucked an 80 from the air.  regardless of what the

Yup, you are right.  You found me out.  I'm a complete impostor
and I know nothing about programming because I spent the exactly
4 seconds to write a simple example without first researching the
underlying interface.  Know why?  Because it was an _example_,
not a dissertation on string processing.  If I was actually going
to write that code, I would have spent the extra two minute it
would have taken to read the kernel source first.  Yes, fixed
buffers suck.  But that is the current interface, so get over it
and get over the pointless ad hominem attacks. 

> constant...", but i work in network security).  others, however,
> may not be so skilled as you, and what of when they're writing
> your server?

Then I should be spending more time interviewing so I don't hire
dolts, and I would spend more time auditing their code and
teaching them how to program. 

I actually avoid using /proc as much as possible in all my code
(I even wrote a patch to replace /proc with a char device about a
year ago, rejected of course for the same reasons Linus expressed
on this thread).  There are many valid reasons why /proc sucks
(especially for embedded systems).  But I don't consider the
ASCII-is-hard-to-parse argument valid.

 -Erik

--
Erik B. Andersen             http://codepoet-consulting.com/
--This message was written using 73% post-consumer electrons--

  reply	other threads:[~2001-11-06 23:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 258+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-11-01 10:32 [PATCH] 2.5 PROPOSAL: Replacement for current /proc of shit Rusty Russell
2001-11-01 10:42 ` Jeff Garzik
2001-11-01 16:49   ` Martin Dalecki
2001-11-01 17:06   ` Gábor Lénárt
2001-11-01 12:06 ` Tim Jansen
2001-11-01 18:34   ` James Simmons
2001-11-02  1:42 ` Rusty Russell
2001-11-02  1:56   ` Erik Andersen
2001-11-02 11:44     ` Padraig Brady
2001-11-02  9:11   ` Alexander Viro
2001-11-02 12:39     ` Martin Dalecki
2001-11-02 11:57       ` Alexander Viro
2001-11-02 13:55       ` Keith Owens
2001-11-02 15:08         ` Martin Dalecki
2001-11-04  5:36       ` Albert D. Cahalan
2001-11-02 12:46     ` Miquel van Smoorenburg
2001-11-02  2:20 ` Rusty Russell
2001-11-02 13:59   ` Tim Jansen
     [not found]     ` <20011103103106.7eb6098b.rusty@rustcorp.com.au>
2001-11-03 11:47       ` Tim Jansen
2001-11-03 23:44       ` Rusty Russell
2001-11-04  1:40   ` Daniel Phillips
2001-11-04  2:08     ` Jakob Østergaard
2001-11-04 12:30       ` Tim Jansen
2001-11-04 13:36         ` Daniel Kobras
2001-11-04 14:13           ` Tim Jansen
2001-11-04 15:33             ` PROPOSAL: dot-proc interface [was: /proc stuff] Jakob Østergaard
2001-11-04 16:05               ` Gábor Lénárt
2001-11-04 16:31               ` Daniel Phillips
2001-11-04 17:30                 ` Jakob Østergaard
2001-11-04 16:45               ` Tim Jansen
2001-11-04 17:28                 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-11-04 17:41                   ` Jakob Østergaard
2001-11-04 17:54                     ` SpaceWalker
2001-11-04 20:45                       ` Albert D. Cahalan
2001-11-04 17:59                     ` John Levon
2001-11-04 18:31                       ` Jakob Østergaard
2001-11-04 18:40                         ` Alexander Viro
2001-11-04 19:04                           ` Jakob Østergaard
2001-11-04 19:24                             ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-11-04 19:45                               ` Jakob Østergaard
2001-11-04 19:52                                 ` Alexander Viro
2001-11-04 20:06                                   ` Jakob Østergaard
2001-11-04 22:01                                   ` Daniel Phillips
2001-11-04 21:12                                 ` Albert D. Cahalan
2001-11-04 21:20                                   ` Jakob Østergaard
2001-11-04 21:42                                     ` Tim Jansen
2001-11-04 22:13                                     ` Albert D. Cahalan
2001-11-05 11:23                                       ` Martin Dalecki
2001-11-05 15:58                                         ` Alexander Viro
2001-11-05 18:30                                           ` Martin Dalecki
2001-11-05 23:00                                             ` Albert D. Cahalan
2001-11-06 13:47                                               ` Martin Dalecki
2001-11-06 17:13                                               ` Gerhard Mack
2001-11-05 16:38                                       ` Stephen Satchell
2001-11-05 18:39                                         ` Martin Dalecki
2001-11-05 18:28                                           ` Ben Greear
2001-11-05 18:40                                             ` Rik van Riel
2001-11-05 21:03                                               ` Tim Jansen
2001-11-05 21:58                                                 ` Ben Greear
2001-11-05 22:51                                                   ` Tim Jansen
2001-11-05 22:59                                                     ` Erik Andersen
2001-11-05 23:35                                                       ` Tim Jansen
2001-11-05 23:41                                                         ` Alexander Viro
2001-11-06 13:49                                                           ` Martin Dalecki
2001-11-06 19:49                                                       ` dank
2001-11-06 22:22                                                         ` Erik Andersen
2001-11-06 22:47                                                           ` dank
2001-11-06 23:11                                                             ` Erik Andersen [this message]
2001-11-06 23:39                                                             ` Ricky Beam
2001-11-07 12:45                                                           ` Remco Post
2001-11-07  1:06                                                         ` George Greer
2001-11-05 19:58                                       ` Jonathan Lundell
2001-11-05 21:43                                       ` Stephen Satchell
2001-11-06  5:22                                         ` Ragnar Hojland Espinosa
2001-11-04 21:22                                   ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-11-05  4:03                                 ` Stuart Young
2001-11-05  4:05                                   ` Alexander Viro
2001-11-05  4:55                                   ` Stuart Young
2001-11-05 16:32                                     ` SpaceWalker
2001-11-06  6:46                                       ` Jakob Østergaard
2001-11-04 19:29                             ` Alexander Viro
2001-11-04 19:50                               ` Jakob Østergaard
2001-11-04 20:01                                 ` Alexander Viro
2001-11-04 20:09                                   ` Jakob Østergaard
2001-11-06  7:23                                 ` Kai Henningsen
2001-11-06 14:00                                   ` Jakob Østergaard
2001-11-04 18:27                     ` Tim Jansen
2001-11-04 18:35                       ` Alexander Viro
2001-11-04 18:39                       ` Jakob Østergaard
2001-11-07  1:20                       ` Pavel Machek
2001-11-07 21:14                         ` Rik van Riel
2000-01-01  0:13                           ` Pavel Machek
2001-11-04 18:20                   ` Tim Jansen
2001-11-04 18:30                     ` Alexander Viro
2001-11-04 18:52                       ` Jakob Østergaard
2001-11-04 19:18                         ` Daniel Phillips
2001-11-04 21:41                       ` Albert D. Cahalan
2001-11-05 11:06                       ` Martin Dalecki
2001-11-05 10:28                         ` Daniel Phillips
2001-11-05 22:46                           ` Albert D. Cahalan
2001-11-06  0:54                             ` Daniel Phillips
2001-11-06  1:11                             ` Stephen Satchell
2001-11-04 18:46                     ` Jakob Østergaard
2001-11-04 19:07                   ` Linus Torvalds
2001-11-04 19:20                     ` Jakob Østergaard
2001-11-04 19:32                       ` Dave Jones
2001-11-04 19:52                         ` Jakob Østergaard
2001-11-04 20:06                           ` Alexander Viro
2001-11-04 20:11                             ` Jakob Østergaard
2001-11-11 10:06                           ` Kai Henningsen
2001-11-11 19:43                             ` Jakob Østergaard
2001-11-12 13:43                               ` Pascal Schmidt
2001-11-13 12:09                                 ` Jakob Østergaard
2001-11-13 14:41                               ` Riley Williams
2001-11-04 22:09                     ` Luigi Genoni
2001-11-04 17:48                 ` Jakob Østergaard
2001-11-04 18:02                   ` John Levon
2001-11-04 18:34                   ` Tim Jansen
2001-11-04 18:59                     ` Jakob Østergaard
2001-11-04 19:19                       ` Tim Jansen
2001-11-04 19:24                         ` Jakob Østergaard
2001-11-04 19:41                           ` Tim Jansen
2001-11-04 19:55                             ` Jakob Østergaard
2001-11-04 20:13                               ` Tim Jansen
2001-11-04 20:11                                 ` Jakob Østergaard
2001-11-04 20:47                                   ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-11-04 21:02                                     ` Jakob Østergaard
2001-11-04 22:53                               ` Stephen Satchell
2001-11-05 11:04               ` zmwillow
2001-11-05 13:41               ` Petr Baudis
2001-11-05 20:49                 ` Tim Jansen
2001-11-05 22:01                   ` Ben Greear
     [not found]                   ` <20011105223413.U11619@pasky.ji.cz>
     [not found]                     ` <160rly-1tl3XUC@fmrl05.sul.t-online.com>
2001-11-05 22:07                       ` Petr Baudis
2001-11-06  7:25                 ` Jakob Østergaard
2001-11-06  8:21                   ` Petr Baudis
2001-11-06  8:34                     ` Alexander Viro
2001-11-06 13:43                       ` Jakob Østergaard
2001-11-06 17:01                       ` Petr Baudis
2001-11-05 19:55               ` PROPOSAL: kernfs (was: Re: PROPOSAL: dot-proc interface [was: /proc st Kai Henningsen
2001-11-06 18:56               ` PROPOSAL: /proc standards (was dot-proc interface [was: /proc stuff]) Stephen Satchell
2001-11-06 19:38                 ` Ben Greear
2001-11-06 20:12                 ` PROPOSAL: /proc standards (was dot-proc interface [was: /proc Erik Hensema
2001-11-06 20:58                   ` Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk
2001-11-06 21:43                     ` Ricky Beam
2001-11-06 22:14                       ` Alexander Viro
2001-11-07  0:33                         ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-11-07  7:20                           ` Albert D. Cahalan
2001-11-07  8:07                             ` Alexander Viro
2001-11-07 17:24                             ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-11-07 17:22                               ` Blue Lang
2001-11-07 19:21                                 ` Ricky Beam
2001-11-11 10:27                                 ` Kai Henningsen
2001-11-08  0:47                               ` Albert D. Cahalan
2001-11-08 18:53                                 ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-11-08 21:28                                   ` Ricky Beam
2001-11-09  5:15                                   ` Albert D. Cahalan
2001-11-19 19:22                                   ` bill davidsen
2001-11-07  0:13                       ` Martin Dalecki
2001-11-07  0:40                         ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-11-07  1:10                         ` Ricky Beam
     [not found]                           ` <Pine.GSO.4.33.0111061947540.17287-100000@sweetums.bluetronic.ne t>
2001-11-07  1:17                             ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-11-07 11:32                           ` Martin Dalecki
2001-11-07 12:35                       ` Remco Post
2001-11-07 23:53                         ` Albert D. Cahalan
2001-11-07 22:24                       ` Paul P Komkoff Jr
2001-11-07 23:15                         ` Phil Howard
2001-11-06 21:24                   ` Rik van Riel
2001-11-06 21:45                     ` Erik Hensema
2001-11-06 22:06                     ` Tim Jansen
2001-11-06 22:28                     ` Erik Andersen
2001-11-06 22:33                       ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2001-11-06 22:42                         ` Erik Andersen
2001-11-06 22:49                           ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2001-11-06 22:53                           ` Patrick Mochel
2001-11-06 22:52                             ` Erik Andersen
2001-11-06 22:46                         ` Ben Greear
2001-11-06 22:50                           ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2001-11-07  0:17                         ` Martin Dalecki
2001-11-06 22:53                   ` J . A . Magallon
2001-11-05 16:49     ` [PATCH] 2.5 PROPOSAL: Replacement for current /proc of shit Jonathan Lundell
2001-11-05 20:46       ` Tim Jansen
2001-11-05 23:04         ` Greg KH
2001-11-05 22:19           ` Tim Jansen
2001-11-05  0:12   ` Rusty Russell
2001-11-05  3:34     ` Daniel Phillips
2001-11-05 22:48       ` Rusty Russell
2001-11-06 10:25         ` Daniel Phillips
2001-11-06 15:46         ` Theodore Tso
2001-11-07 23:35         ` Rusty Russell
     [not found] <Pine.LNX.4.33.0111041141100.14150-100000@penguin.transmeta.com>
2001-11-04 19:53 ` PROPOSAL: dot-proc interface [was: /proc stuff] Daniel Phillips
2001-11-04 23:06 Craig Thrall
2001-11-04 23:39 ` Jakob Østergaard
     [not found] <20011104214229Z17052-23341+37@humbolt.nl.linux.org>
2001-11-04 23:42 ` Alexander Viro
2001-11-05  0:10   ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-24 17:42 RFC: booleans and the kernel Jeff Garzik
2002-01-24 18:22 ` Anton Altaparmakov
2002-01-24 18:33   ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2002-01-24 19:28 ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-01-24 19:34   ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2002-01-24 19:43     ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-01-24 19:47       ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2002-01-24 19:46     ` Ingo Oeser
2002-01-24 19:52 ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-01-24 20:03   ` Jeff Garzik
2002-01-24 20:06     ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-01-24 20:14       ` Jeff Garzik
2002-01-24 20:23       ` Alexander Viro
2002-01-24 20:25         ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-01-24 20:35           ` John Levon
2002-01-24 20:15     ` Alexander Viro
2002-01-24 20:21   ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-01-24 20:39     ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-01-24 21:55       ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-01-24 21:57         ` Jeff Garzik
2002-01-24 22:05         ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-01-24 22:13         ` Robert Love
2002-01-24 22:33       ` Xavier Bestel
2002-01-24 22:53         ` Xavier Bestel
2002-01-24 22:59         ` Robert Love
2002-01-24 23:27           ` Xavier Bestel
2002-01-25  6:13             ` Alexander Viro
2002-01-25  8:00               ` Momchil Velikov
2002-01-25 10:51               ` Xavier Bestel
2002-01-25 16:11               ` Olivier Galibert
2002-01-26  7:22               ` Timothy Covell
2002-01-25  7:48                 ` Alexander Viro
2002-01-25 23:49                   ` J.A. Magallon
2002-01-27 11:27                 ` Kai Henningsen
2002-01-25 23:09           ` Timothy Covell
2002-01-25  1:16             ` John Levon
2002-01-25 22:47         ` Timothy Covell
2002-01-25 21:24       ` Timothy Covell
2002-01-24 21:31         ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-01-24 22:19           ` Robert Love
2002-01-24 22:38             ` Robert Love
2002-01-25 22:44               ` Timothy Covell
2002-01-25  3:52                 ` Ragnar Hojland Espinosa
2002-01-25 20:39                   ` Calin A. Culianu
2002-01-25 23:07                   ` Rick Stevens
2002-01-25 19:02                 ` Kai Henningsen
2002-01-27  1:33                   ` Timothy Covell
2002-01-26  2:56                     ` Jamie Lokier
2002-01-27 11:18                   ` Kai Henningsen
2002-01-25 22:30             ` Timothy Covell
2002-01-24 22:36               ` Alexander Viro
2002-01-25  6:36               ` Kai Henningsen
     [not found]                 ` <200201250900.g0P8xoL10082@home.ashavan.org.>
2002-01-29  6:36                   ` Nix N. Nix
2002-01-25 21:43           ` Timothy Covell
2002-01-24 21:50             ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-01-24 22:21               ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-01-25 15:07                 ` Werner Almesberger
2002-01-25 15:21                   ` Jakub Jelinek
2002-01-25 16:45                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-01-25 11:07         ` Helge Hafting
2002-01-24 22:33 ` Chris Wedgwood
2002-01-24 22:44   ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-01-26 10:22     ` Chris Wedgwood
2002-01-25  2:00 ` Erik Andersen

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